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[mcordonc]

I agree with many of you hating the ending. It was stupid, without a doubt. However, some retribution, if you want to call it that, can be found in the Synthesis ending possibly.

Despite none of the endings being a happy ending, synthesis at least had a seemingly better outcome then the sacrifice or control endings. I loved legion and ED-E, and sacrificing or taking control of them would be stupid since you had just proven that synthetics and organics can learn to co-exist (which for some unknown reason shepherd didn't bring up during his little talk with the closed minded god child).
In any case back to why I chose Synthesis. What exactly does this do for organic life? Does it shoot them straight to the peak of evolution (or at least 1 peak)? Or does it set them on a path which cannot be interrupted by something like war, death, disease, hunger? In other words does it make them immortal in a sense? Does it take away the natural "requirements" that were set in place for organics to live (ex: food, water, air, light) but leave them with their emotions, taking away the possible downside to synthetic life (ex: both legion and ED-E both were trying to understand and acquire these emotions and individuality). My hope is that it basically did. I also hope that it gave them the knowledge or, at least, a greater ability (time) to rebuild the mass effect relays themselves.

They have some of the brightest minds in the universe gathered in one spot and the Citadel is still there after the explosion (I think?) and the citadel itself was a mass effect relay. They had just built a weapon in a few months, capable of defeating an enemy that had destroyed civilization after civilization for countless millenia. Putting these factors together left me feeling a bit more satisfied with the ending. Just a bit.




The thing which completely makes the ending completely stupid for me is the whole Normandy flying away on it's own and crash landing on a planet.

There was no logical point to that as it meant that within the time you were choosing what to do, the Normandy had to have come down to Earth, pick up whatever squad mates you brought, then zoom over to the relay and use it before it had exploded.


I understand that the whole tropical planet is in reference to things like 

Liara's "it would be so easy to get lost out there and find a planet where one could find peace" or Garrus' take a vacation on some tropical planet idea.

But if they really wanted to throw that in, and I am not saying it would be completely acceptable, but it would be better is if, instead of having the Normand fly away, they just simply fade to black after the explosion and show shepherd still alive in the rubble (If you had a high enough readiness score). Then after the credits show a scene of a tropical planet where you see a beautiful beach, then fade to black again, and hear the sound of a footstep or maybe an image of you and your L.I reflecting in a water drop hanging at the edge of a leaf, then fade to black. Something like that maybe, with that being the secret ending.

Modifié par mcordonc, 10 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[MPSai]

Synthesis was the only choice that made sense for my Shepard, I agree it's probably the better outcome but when I saw the synthetic pattern on the leaves of the trees I was trying to convince myself they were only reflecting light off the Normandy. Until I saw Joker.

Bioware, y u no know how science works?

[Adamantium93]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that the synthesis ending does nothing for the races of the galaxy except change the way the Reapers see them. They stop glowing after awhile and they carry on life normally, with the exception that maybe some of their genes are synthetic but in the end that doesn't make much of a difference.

[mcordonc]

For it to be such a "major" consideration, it really had to have done something though or else the God child is just more of an idiot. The reason I think it would make them immortal is because of what we learned earlier with the geth helping the quarians by syncing themselves into the suits and helping to improve their health and well being, which basically is similar to synthesis.

[sorentoft]

Of what we are presented then synthesis is the best ending. Why? Because EDI and Joker can finally, uh, eh... Pursue the paramour achievement.

[aequitaz]

Well to me Synthesis is the worst of all three endings ... shortly before you have to choose, you can try to explain organic life to the catalyst. One of two options is to tell him/her/it how choice is the most important thing of organic/free life. 60 seconds later you change all organic life in the know galaxy without giving anyone a choice ... my shepard didn't like that. Plus is somehow feels like a reaper win :x

[mcordonc]

aequitaz wrote...

Well to me Synthesis is the worst of all three endings ... shortly before you have to choose, you can try to explain organic life to the catalyst. One of two options is to tell him/her/it how choice is the most important thing of organic/free life. 60 seconds later you change all organic life in the know galaxy without giving anyone a choice ... my shepard didn't like that. Plus is somehow feels like a reaper win :x

Ya, I agree, it's not completely acceptable even if you take out the Normandy Crash/Fly Away randomly. Why Shepherd did not bring up anything more to argue with the kid who had the ability to end everything, I don't know. Shepherd had just disproven that his solution to synthetic ending organic life was flawed and would not work, by him standing there. I am pretty sure if Shepherd had used some verbal judo a bit more he would be able to convince the kid that doesn't that also mean that his calculations on synthetics wiping out all organics is wrong as well? Or at least have the possibility to be wrong?

So ya. I agree Shepherd submits in 2 of the options (or doesn't if he blows up the reapers).

[MajorStranger]

I chose synthesis for Legion. If it wasn't for Legion i would have destroy them. But since it would kill the Geths too I couldn't do this to him...

[tenacious_err]

I agree Synthesis is the best option considering the other two, but it just feels wrong to have my fully paragon Shepard make such a god-like decision over the entire universe. Not to mention that she spends the whole game getting all these races to work together... only to decide that the only way they can really work together is by all being the same thing. But, yes. Given the options, synthesis seems the happiest/best.

[lucidfox]

mcordonc wrote...

What exactly does this do for organic life? Does it shoot them straight to the peak of evolution (or at least 1 peak)?

There is no such thing as the peak of evolution. Evolution doesn't work like that.

[McBeath]

Synthesis is the worst ending! Instead of destroying an AI race and a single AI you instead re-write all life in the entire galaxy, effectively destroying what makes it unique? That's better?

To me destroying some synthetics is far more morally exceptable than changing the nature of all living matter in the entire galaxy. Just me personally.

[jbauck]

All the endings felt like a Reaper Trick to me. Synthesis being a "good" ending assumes that organic/synthetic conflict is the sole source of conflict in the galaxy, and without it, everyone will live together in peace and harmony. Bull****. The organic/synthetic hybrids will find a reason to kill each other, just like organics kill each other and synthetics kill each other. Being a hybrid doesn't magically make free-willed sentient beings more likely to cooperate with each other ... so this won't bring peace unless synthesis makes everyone unthinking drone slaves to the Reaper God.

Control turns you into the thing you're fighting, and is in direct violation of all the "we're not ready for that kind of power" talk I gave TIM. Destroy is the least bad/trick-like, but if you made peace between the quarians and the geth, Shep is a dick for picking it.

I actually walked around up there for awhile, looking for the fourth option: just destroy the Catalyst. Turn off MSCitadel's Clippy, and see if the Reapers can still fight, and take our chances.

[MPSai]

aequitaz wrote...

Well to me Synthesis is the worst of all three endings ... shortly before you have to choose, you can try to explain organic life to the catalyst. One of two options is to tell him/her/it how choice is the most important thing of organic/free life. 60 seconds later you change all organic life in the know galaxy without giving anyone a choice ... my shepard didn't like that. Plus is somehow feels like a reaper win :x

It seems all the endings take away someone's freedom of choice. Destroy wipes out the geth, all synthetics, presumably all VI and AIs as well. Control makes Shepard no better than the Reapers, it's basically indoctrinating them (how else would they all change their minds so easily? They're thinking beings) and where Shepard's methods were more pure than The Illusive Man's whose to say Shepard would be incorruptable when stripped of humanity? And what would that lead the Reapers to eventually?

Modifié par MPSai, 10 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[Legendaryred]

The destroying synthetics is not really an option, as with the geth destroyed, somebody, somewhere will make AI again and this time they might not be as friendly as the geth. Like the child or prothy said "The same events happen in every cycle, but in different ways" in prothy's cycle there were AIs that turned against their creators and before the protheans the same thing happened too. So i guess synthesis is the best ending, but shepard died, idk why would shepard be required to die, he/she only had a few implants, like prosthesis.

[mibr78]

I just hope that there is going to be a patch or dlc that allows you char to survive and actually continue the game AFTER the Reaper battle and not going Backwards to some lame point in the game if you want to keep building the char you have spendt nearly 3 games, building.. just seems like a waste now.

[lucidfox]

McBeath wrote...

To me destroying some synthetics is far more morally exceptable than changing the nature of all living matter in the entire galaxy. Just me personally.

Actually, now that I think of it, you make a good point.

Geth are just machines. Legion's upgrade changes nothing, it just makes them all as self-aware as Legion itself was. They can be rebuilt. Heck, if they have any kind of foresight, they must have backups somewhere just waiting to be reactivated. Heck, in real life, if a computer breaks, you can just plug the hard drive into a different one and keep using it as before.

Maybe picking Synthesis is indeed morally wrong. You're forcing your choice on every organic alive, whether they want it or not. Isn't it exactly the thing you blame the Reapers and Cerberus for?

[nitefyre410]

No Synthesis is just as much bs as the rest of the endings... period full stop. I understand you trying.. hell I tried head cannon it myself. It takes a lot of work and a lot of rewriting to even make Synthesis or any of the other endings work. These endings just... plain bad.

[mibr78]

lets see.
1 you desolve yourself and take control of the Reapers and sends them back to dark space.. hmm sucks.
2 you cast yourself into a beam and pretty much FORCE every single species to become a weird hybrid of organic/sentient species instead.. not one you would become popular on choosing.
And finally the 3rd. you destroy the Reapers and every other sentient being, Geth and EDI included
thereby ruining the work of getting the Geth and Quarians together.. at least for me.. and dont think joker would forgive  if EDI went offline
Seriously hope that Bioware has some weird point to this or logic to these endings

Modifié par mibr78, 12 mars 2012 - 06:40 .