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[DS_Abe]

That just hit me - the endings for both Gurren Lagann and ME3 are similar. In both of them there's a cosmic super-entity that is the "guardian of the universe/galaxy", that has seen what the sentient beings will do to the galaxy when they rise to the stars. In GL, the Anti-Spirals that fight against the protagonists are an ancient race of people who trapped themselves in huge stasis fields on their planet within a cosmic avatar to protect them. They monitor the universe and whenever a civilization rises, they come to destroy it utterly. Why? Entropy. Thinking beings create entropy, chaos, that spirals out of control and destroys the universe. The only solution is to quell and stomp down everything that even tries to act philosophically.

Except that in Gurren Lagann, which also had the theme "Fight against the impossible, break what's unbreakable, survival at any cost", the ending was incredible - humans evolving past what the Anti-Spirals expected, defeated them using their own power, to prove them wrong. Series ends with the Anti-Spiral avatar on his knees, asking human protagonist to protect the galaxy from the dreadful future that can still happen.

Why was this not in ME3? Why did Shepard just give up? Why didn't humans find a way to destroy Reapers/God-Child with their technology? It was all possible.

And before someone says "Well, animes have usually good endings, heroes live forever" blah blah. Except that instead of Gurren Lagann ending, where the protagonist leaves without his "lady" and goes into shadows to make way for the future generations, we get ending similar to the Gilgamesh anime - everyone dies, nothing is explained, and entire series is accumulated in last 5 minutes. Oh, except that Gilgamesh lasted 24 episodes, 24 minutes each. Mass Effect lasted more or less 90 hours, if you played once every game.

At least that would've been a perfect solution, and perfectly in tune with previous games - humanity doing things that were beyond other species' reach and winning against stacked odds.

Modifié par DS_Abe, 10 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[Tamcia]

Gurren Lagann ending didn't make me feel so bad. It was an interesting plot for that anime and a good ending. I can't say the same for ME3 now.

[MPSai]

People have been making this joke about the rumored dark matter plot that was cut, where the Reapers want to destroy organic life because it will naturally destroy the universe as it evolves or something.

[DS_Abe]

Tamcia wrote...

Gurren Lagann ending didn't make me feel so bad. It was an interesting plot for that anime and a good ending. I can't say the same for ME3 now.

Gurren Lagann ending was AWESOME. It basically screamed at you "We're humans, you ****er, and if we'll be the cause of universe's demise, we'll fix it, now stop trying to do **** for us!"

In ME3 ending, you are reduced to some chump that has to obey the Great Godlike Child AI that set itself as the guardian of the universe.

The original Dark Energy ending made much more sense than "We must kill all organics, to prevent other synthetics from killing all organics!". That's borderline circular logic.

[MPSai]

This topic did just give me an epic vision in my head of Shepard yelling "Just who the hell do you think I am!?"

[Illumio]

Actually I was thinking about TTGL when I walkthrough ME3. And I was really disappointed when I realize that both of it have pretty much same ending. Sorry for my english.

[Catspirit123]

I noticed the similarity as well. I loved Gurren Lagann and I've always had the mindset where we can create our own path to victory. In Gurren Lagann the humans deny the Anti-spirals and defeat them with their power and determination combined. Mass Effect is similar where You as the organic races of the galaxy are fighting against what has been deemed to be an unbeatable entity, that being the synthetic Reapers. Both the Anti-spirals and the Reapers are destroying these civilizations to in a sense, save the galaxy ( more so for the Reapers in the scrapped "Dark Matter" story ) believing that they are doing what they've calculated to be the best decision for the galaxy. The spiral beings and organics of Mass Effect are fighting against that logic for their survival. At the end of Gurren Lagann, however, Simon still throws away the logic of the entity before him and decides to make his own path while Shepard seems to give in to the Catalyst's logic. It's a shame that this split happened because I'd love to see Shepard tell that Catalyst to shove his calculated decisions up his ass and have Shepard do his own thing to save the galaxy.

Until the hopeful day of an alternate ending, I'm always going to destroy the Reapers and assume the indoctrination theory is cannon so I can make my own end ( even if deep down I know that my ending isn't true )

[MPSai]

Gurren Lagann even had a bittersweet ending even with the triumphant final battle. But the general attitude of the series is "It's impossible? You're going to wipe us out? **** YOU." Shepard had that attitude until meeting the Catalyst, then s/he just said "oh, you're the leader of the Reapers? Okay. I'll believe you."

[Adsinjapan]

Funny how I started watching Gurren Lagann all over again since finishing ME3, and that was even before you were all talking about it!

Shepherd should have gone out the same way as Simon too, old, wise and satisfied. He'd hand his rifle and Omni-Tool to a little kid that recognised him, then wander off into the sunset.

But not entirely like Gurren Lagann, because Liara would be there with him with their kids in tow.

THE END.

[Xion66]

I find it funny how Simon's final speech about the limitations of the anti-spirals (synthetics), and how they will not bow to the cycle the anti-spirals made (to rpeserve all life, all life above 1,000,000 will be harvested) and pretty much just flat out refused those limitations.

I wish my Shep would have done the same...

[Gungelion]

It appears that I'm not the only one who came to this conclusion

[DistantUtopia]

I was about to start the same thread then I came across this one.