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[ne0x]

i would really like to pay for the book with ORIGIANL reaper intentions,ending and so on,not this crap bull****,u can feed this to halo or gow fan base,but sorry rpg choice based game can't have stupid unclear endings.(Its ok shepard to die as hero,but so much plotholes,and lolwut moment aren't allowed in AAA project).

[mybudgee]

Drew is no Hemmingway...

[Ronin1325]

mybudgee wrote...

Drew is no Hemmingway...

No, certainly not. But he's not a bad writer by any means. My wife & I have read the ME books & they are... workman like at best. Very basic in style, but the stories themselves are interesting enough. My wife is a director on Family Guy & has a lot more experience working with writers than I do, she said her opinion is that Drew is an excellent scripter, but not so much when it comes to writing novels. Based on what I've seen in the games he's worked on, I would certainly agree.

(and no, I don't always agree with my wife. )

[ognick23]

well IMO the old Reaper revalation plot they had sucked so i guess it would be a lose/lose situation to me

[Ronin1325]

ognick23 wrote...

well IMO the old Reaper revalation plot they had sucked so i guess it would be a lose/lose situation to me

Perhaps it wouldn't have been better, but at the very least it would have been more consistent with what had been established before.

[Amikae]

Ronin1325 wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

Drew is no Hemmingway...

No, certainly not. But he's not a bad writer by any means. My wife & I have read the ME books & they are... workman like at best. Very basic in style, but the stories themselves are interesting enough. My wife is a director on Family Guy & has a lot more experience working with writers than I do, she said her opinion is that Drew is an excellent scripter, but not so much when it comes to writing novels. Based on what I've seen in the games he's worked on, I would certainly agree.

(and no, I don't always agree with my wife. )

I've noticed the same. He's really, really good at crafting good scripts for games. Mass Effect 1 was a prime example and in a way Mass Effect 2 too, as you can clearly see the lack of direction the game had since the guy stopped working on the project.

[insomniac13]

The story in ME2 was pretty tame, but it wasn't about that - It was about the characters and here the writing and dialog was absolutely incredible! One of the best instances of writing in any game ever.

Judging from demos, trailers and fan reaction, ME3 looks like an entirely dfiferent beast...

[BuffPhantoms]

 

Glad to see mediocrity and glaring plot holes satisfy you.

Now when we all realize how stupid the entire Normandy epilogue piece was, THEN we can agree.

You seem genuinly upset that people actually like the ending. 

How sad.

[The Spamming Troll]

what i noticed was that playing ME2 felt like i was playing a game that was more in lines with a comic book then a space opera.

i prefer ME1, and i know nothing about how to write a story in a videogame, but id bet money on that drew guy being a totaly pimp in the writing department.

i miss ME1 when i play ME2. ME3 im not so sure about yet.

[Ronin1325]

The PLC wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

Drew is no Hemmingway...

No, certainly not. But he's not a bad writer by any means. My wife & I have read the ME books & they are... workman like at best. Very basic in style, but the stories themselves are interesting enough. My wife is a director on Family Guy & has a lot more experience working with writers than I do, she said her opinion is that Drew is an excellent scripter, but not so much when it comes to writing novels. Based on what I've seen in the games he's worked on, I would certainly agree.

(and no, I don't always agree with my wife. )

Wait, Family Guy has writers?

LOL Believe it or not! I think they have a rather inflated opinion of themselves, but that's an issue for a different thread. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie] 

My wife is an art director, so she doesn't do any writing, but she has spent years working on shows from Avatar to King of the Hill & has a tremendous amount of experience working with writers. There is a heck of a lot of difference between writing a screenplay, scripting & writing a novel. We definitely wish Drew all the best in his career and hopefully he'll become a stronger novelist as he gets more experience in it.

But to bring this back to the main thread, I highly doubt he could say much of anything regarding ME3, politics being what they are and all...

[Arppis]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

He wrote Kotor, Kotor 2 was continued by other writer, it had a bad ending.
He wrote ME, ME3 was made by other writer, it had a bad ending.

I'm starting to see a pattern here.

KOTOR2 ending sucked because they didn't have time to finish it up.

[Desch]

For those still curious about his thoughts -- he hasn't played the game yet, as he's working on a novel currently.

Source:  
https://twitter.com/...755403457368064

[Warikz]

Couple of responses he has given on twitter in the last few hours, though he hasn't played it thourgh himself he is working on what people are telling him.

"From what I hear, the basic concept of the original ending is there, though some details may have been tweaked."

"Dark Energy was on the table at one point, but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays"

So it seems the massive changes to the end people thought Walters made once Karpyshyn left were just wild fantasies, the basics were always the same, just a case of details.

[loungeshep]

hex23 wrote...

gabe2gg wrote...

I'm pretty sure he left writing ME2 halfway to go to some other project. Am I right or wrong here?

Doesn't matter. People conveniently forget that "ME2" was villified on these boards for more or less the exact same reasons as "ME3".

I remember! It reminds me of the time when U2 came out with their Pop album, fans reacted pretty much the same way as some are acting here.

Funny thing is 10 years later those same fans loved Pop, not even 10 actually, more like around 2003.

Fanbases are weird.

[Cainne Chapel]

Drew is good and I dont mind Mac either, but Its not like the writing is done by them Solely, last I checked they both had writing "teams" that worked on various portions of the plot/story/mission/characters and then they go all Voltron on the script and assemble them...

Thats how I understood it anyway

...I like Voltron

[Canned Bullets]

I think the only thing ME2 was vilified for was the watered down gameplay.

[Blastback]

Canned Bullets wrote...

I think the only thing ME2 was vilified for was the watered down gameplay.

Not so.  Plenty of people were extremely upset with the confrontation with the Virmire Survior on Horzion.

  And alot of us, myself included, were extremely upset that a sole Survivor Shepard was never able call Cerbures and the Illusive Man out for their role in the massacre on Akuze.  I'm hoping that we can revisit that issue in 3.Make that an issue when we finally confront TIM.

[hex23]

aimlessgun wrote...

^ This is how to troll kids. Come into a hot topic, say something patently false, and people will fall over themselves to correct you.

It's not false. This board whined nonstop about the story in "ME2", the end of it, how working with Cerberus was a retarded plot line, how terrible the new characters were, etc.

The only reason people breeze over this is so they can put on their rose tinted glasses and remember "the good ol days of ME2 and Drew's writing". Sorry, but it's bullsh*t.

[hex23]

loungeshep wrote...

I remember! It reminds me of the time when U2 came out with their Pop album, fans reacted pretty much the same way as some are acting here.

Funny thing is 10 years later those same fans loved Pop, not even 10 actually, more like around 2003.

Fanbases are weird.

Exactly. People conveniently have extremely short memories here.

And for the record the writing in "ME3" is decent-great except the end. Easily on par with 1 or 2.

[WarGriffin]

Did ME2 have problems?

Yes, the whole your pretty much stuck with Cerberus till the end thing can irk you if you know how bad they are in ME1

but atleast for the most part, It don't ruin you logic/ lore... shepard works with Cerberus for a mutual good... nothing more and you can always say your not with Cerberus.

[Sobkou]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

Jorec wrote...

To be honest I think Mac Walters has a done a pretty good job with the writing so far all things considered. Then again I'm only about 16 hours in so maybe it gets worse later? I mean without spoiling anything Thane and Grunt had some really great moments.

Just wait until you see the ending. By the way, Mac Walters wrote those comic books.....and they are some of the worst fiction I've ever read.

I don't want to sound like a nut or anything, after all I have no knowledge of how the writing team works and you would think that it takes skill to become lead writer at BioWare, but all the information I have leads me to believe that Mac Walters is a talentless hack that has no qualms with destroying this franchise. Just calling it like I see it.


could you explain to me why the comic books suck.

[Ninja Stan]

If you're going to resurrect a year-old thread, at least contribute significantly to the discussion. Otherwise, it's spam.

End of line.