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[detroitmechworks]

It is my firm belief... After Reviewing ALL of the evidence...

That a Space Wizard did it.

[Sorayai]

agreed, shepard is a badass. he/she would grab a gun and say screw you im doing this my way!

slap some medi-gel on me, I'm ready to toast some Reaper ASS!

[Madecologist]

I noticed this too. Shepard puts up a token debate at the start when he first meets the child, but then... bam... s/he starts agreeing and being so passive about. Even saying stuff like "The Illusive Man was right afterall" or "Will that stop the Cycle?". I think s/he says okay... or maybe that is my mind playing tricks on me. But it shows the type of impression I formed about Shepard in that last scene... s/he seems to just give up and agree with the kid.

It is also funny how the Child recommands the Control option and Synthesis option. Like choosing Destroy is bad. I get the feeling like that is the only real option to stop the Reapers but that we must pay a lot for it.

The Destroy option feels like if we had real options would be the fall back to. Your EMS was too low, you did a bunch of bad calls, well guess what you still have the 'final' solution of stopping the Reapers but it involves purging the Galaxy of everything that was Reaper Tech based. However if we did more other viable options should open up while the cost of the Destroy option would be lessoned since we would have time to calibrate the Crucible (and no... Synthesis is not what I mean by new options...).

Modifié par Madecologist, 11 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[seirhart]

Altesio wrote...

CrazyCatDude wrote...

The problem with my Shepard giving in to the Catalyst's demands is simple. She had just fought through hell to reach the beam, had gotten up after being hit in the face by a damn Thanix cannon. Armor melted to her skin, slowly bleeding out, and as far as she knows, the love of her life and her best friend in the universe are both ashes on the ground next to her she still picks up a gun, kills four husks and stumbles into the beam. Then she limps through the citadel, overcomes indoctrination to shoot The Illusive Man in the gut, and opens the arms of the Citadel. She's tired, she's hurting, she watches the closest thing she's had to a father since Mindoir bleed out next to her from a gunshot she inflicted.

And yet, when Hackett calls, her first words are "What do you need me to do?" She doesn't want to say it. She doesn't want to move. She's so tired, in so much pain, she just wants to lay down and bleed out in peace. But duty calls, and she gets up again, stumbles to the console, and passes out.

Then, she gets up again, and tries to talk the Catalyst into shutting down the Reapers.

He offers her three horrible choices, and at that moment, instead of drawing on the same willpower that drove her up the side of Citadel tower to face Saren, that drove her to escape Lazarus station, and Horizon, and the Collector ship, and kept her and every single member of her squad alive through the suicide mission, that helped her unite every race in the galaxy, to get up again and again during the last long march to the Citadel in the final battle...

She just shrugs her shoulders and says "Okay, I'll do things your way, even though all you have to do is look outside at the Quarian and Geth, fighting side by side, to see that he's *wrong*.

My problem with this is that in none of thes examples you gave, was Shepard bleeding out, and no other options. Horizon, he is with a squad depending a pole while EDI hacks it. He tried to stop them but failed. Citadel, he is not mortally wounded, and had a team helping him. Everyone thought he died, but he didn't and based on how he was running, he wasn't even hurt. Lazarus, he quickly found help, along with a voice telling him where to go and what is up ahead, and in perfect health since they did just bring him back.

Here Shepard is dying, no one else can help him, and has no other options besides to simply keel over and let the Reapers win. No matter which option he picks besides to sit there and die, the Reapers won't be a problem anymore. So would Shepard will himself to give up his life to stop the Reapers, or simply give up and die there?

To say this is out of character is like saying a kind hearted mother, who would never hurt a fly, taking a chair and knocking a man about to kill her child is out of character. It is, but completely reasonable, understandable, and realistic.

I agree with both of your points here, all those other times shepard had help was barely injured but in 3 he has no such help. Shepard is dieing in the end with zero help and so those choices given are as you said reasonalbe, understandable and realistic even if it is a little out of character. In the end shepard has no choice but to choose one of those options or just stand there/sit there and bleed to death and let the reapers wipe out all the advanced civilizations

[Troubleshooter11]

Lmaoboat wrote...

The real Shepard would've said, "I've had it with your duplicitous allegations!" and punched the kid in the face.

LOL, that made me laugh, and so true.

[pomrink]

I turned my shepard around and walked away. I thought there would be a different option if I did that

[jcmccorm]

It was like a high pressure sales tactic. "Hey, I know I control the reapers and all, but really, you need to make this decision right now. You don't have time to consult anyone else, come up with other options, etc. So, you going to buy this car or do I take a baseball bat to yours?"

[Aedan276]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

 I've voiced this in a few threads, but I'm hoping other will be able to chime in on it here.

Why would Shepard ever go along with the Catalyst's little game?

Sovereign told Shepard that resisting the cycle was futile.  (S)He tells Sovereign "If you won't give us a chance, I WILL find a way to stop you."

Harbinger tells Shepard that the reaper invasion, and our destruction, is imminent.  Shepard says "Stuff it, I'm coming for you and your friends.

The council tells Shepard that the reapers don't exist.  Ah yes, "Reapers", we have dismissed that claim.  Shepard tells them they are wrong and with or without their help (s)he will find a way.

The Catalyst tells Shepard that synthetics and organics will always destroy each other.  And even though Shepard has (depending on your choices) multiple pieces of evidence to the contrary, (s)he just goes along and picks one of the three horrible options without hesitation.  Why would Shepard bow to this character introduced one minute prior?

Shepard will never stress the odds, be intimidated, be forced, pushed around, or deflated.  Shepard will always find a way.  

As I have said before, Shepard would never do this.

Ever.

Indeed. This, along with the fleets/EMS not matter, was the biggest problem with ME3's conclusion. 

They could have resolved both problems in a 4th choice, as well as the problem of whether Shepard reunites with his companions on Earth (before he lives or dies) to watch Reaper carcasses fall to Earth. 

Modifié par Aedan276, 11 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[Sawtooth357]

There I was about to pick an option, walking up to the 'control the Reapers console,' when what happens? I hear a little audio clip play as I walk up to the interface.

"I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite store on the Citadel."

[Iztiak]

I again, agree with this. Shepard, any of my shepards, would never have gone along with this.