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[Wishpig]

Wow... fantastic and fair article, I couldn't agree more. DLC can be a good thing, but it is being abused more and more and more... and it is insulting to fans.

[Elefantitties]

No one should really be suprised any of this **** has happened. Look who is publishing ME since the PC port of 1.
>EA
>EA
>EA
Do I need to write it again?
>EA
It does not help that Bioware soldout to
>EA
It also does not help that Bioware tries to shoehorn in sex (both hetero/******) when it is not needed
>Shepard we need to save the galaxy from the reapers! But first how about you come into my room so we can "talk"
I find it annoying when I am nice to a crew member and I get a choice to
>give her the dick

Modifié par Elefantitties, 11 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[Wind__Seer]

mud2 wrote...

Wind__Seer wrote...

The mission is not on the disk and was likely developed after the game went into certification. They included the character on the disk because he has dialogue and **** during the main game and he was likely developed along side that to keep it all together.

That's better.

Except that the leaked info from last year included the character's mission. Another point that can produce more assumptions about what happened. 

You do rise a good point too. Why make a DLC mission if you are still working in getting the game done?

[paynesgrey]

Can't wait till he (the Forbes writer) gets a load of the ending response, and the inevitable paid DLC that somehow "makes it better"

[mud2]

Wind__Seer wrote...

but wait, the prothean itself is DLC. The discussion isn't about it was developed before or after the end of the main game development. It's about the fact that he is IN DISK and we still have to pay to use him.

Good work getting me sidetracked there, guys. Now it's better. You make a good point, but it's not the problem here.

That is the issue I have been discussing the whole time. If a large portion of the character is already on disc, why am I paying again for him? Is EA's greed so deep that they have to charge us for it? Why did the developers straight up lie to us and treat us like idiots?

[Solmanian]

I'll just drop this bomb: biggest fans=guys who bought DDE's and CE's? I spent an entire day just going over the art book. if u didn't care enough to get it, than yes you're not as big a fan as u think u are...

[Wind__Seer]

mud2 wrote...

Wind__Seer wrote...

but wait, the prothean itself is DLC. The discussion isn't about it was developed before or after the end of the main game development. It's about the fact that he is IN DISK and we still have to pay to use him.

Good work getting me sidetracked there, guys. Now it's better. You make a good point, but it's not the problem here.

That is the issue I have been discussing the whole time. If a large portion of the character is already on disc, why am I paying again for him? Is EA's greed so deep that they have to charge us for it? Why did the developers straight up lie to us and treat us like idiots?

Yeah, doesn't really matter in this case if this was developed during or aftermain game development. The fact that the lines and the Prothean itself are in the disk means it was meant to be part of the game anyways. The fact that they are on the disk and we need to pay to nUSE them and geta  30 minutes mission is the bad thing.

I was centering around development time and they dragged me in. Thnaks, mud.

[Wind__Seer]

Solmanian wrote...

I'll just drop this bomb: biggest fans=guys who bought DDE's and CE's? I spent an entire day just going over the art book. if u didn't care enough to get it, than yes you're not as big a fan as u think u are...

http://www.blistered...ct-3-collector/

jump to 3:01 for the collector edtion's review

You mean I need to pay 20 more bucks for a 20 pages comic book, a bare boned art book , a postcard, a freaking usless virtual dog and the digital N7 coat to prove I'm a real fan.

No thanks. I buy the game because I like the game. Not because they give me 100 trinkets

Modifié par Wind__Seer, 11 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[Bleachrude]

Wind__Seer wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

I'll just drop this bomb: biggest fans=guys who bought DDE's and CE's? I spent an entire day just going over the art book. if u didn't care enough to get it, than yes you're not as big a fan as u think u are...

http://www.blistered...ct-3-collector/

jump to 3:01 for the collector edtion's review

You mean I need to pay 20 more bucks for a 20 pages comic book, a bare boned art book , a postcard, a freaking usless virtual dog and the digital N7 coat to prove I'm a real fan.

No thanks. I buy the game because I like the game. Not because they give me 100 trinkets

Er, this is a bad argument given that really, bioware was open with what you got for the collector edition...

[Farbautisonn]

Doesnt matter if Bio is "right or wrong" at this stage.

Alot of people who see this will percieve that Bio/EA has tried to conn them. Right or wrong. Ad it on top of the endings, the crap intro, plotholes, complaints about dialogue, bugs etc and this is not what Bioware needs right now. The perception in the minds of an awfull lot of the client base is that Bioware has delivered a crap product and has furthermore tried to con them into buying it.

Bioware needs to do something fast to salvage this. Really fast. And it has to be good too. Because people are still not done playing it in europe. And they will come here to check if they missed something or to get patches and bugfixes. If they see this ****efest (and it is hard to avoid) they will start examining their gaming experience abit harder.

Will bioware do that? Can they do that? I think they might like to... but any PR stunt will cost money. Thats money out of the pocket of EA shareholders that basically care more for the next dividends of the stock than the games. They have gobbled up Studios and IPs before, they wont mind doing it again.

So... Can they do that? Not really. They have to run bugfixes first, and there are afew rather hefty ones outthere, plus a plethora of smaller annoying ones. They have to salvage that before they can salvage the story, the endings and the dialogue. And basically... the sheer task of salvageing the story and dialogue alone is a new game. The endings could be DLC but it would likely have the effect of a bandaid over an amputated leg.

All the while the ball will keep rolling, and the unhappyness will gain momentum. People will critically look for more lore and logic setting inconsistencies, bugs, other "hidden" stuff, discrepencies of what was said by Bio excecs and what was percieved to be said etc. That will get more attention from the (gaming) media, and it will put an extremely uncomfortable highlight on Bioware/EA.

Another DLC / expansion that would placate the fanbase? They'd have to start from scratch, make it fast and make it... REALLY good. Thats alot of time and money plus manpower from a company that has likely spent alot of time money and manpower to get this game "ready" for sale. Announcing such a DLC / Expansion would likely get them some goodwill... announcing it would be free or discounted would get them more. But there are alot of people who have had one kick in the nuts too many. I for one am going to need some serious persuasion to be even mildly interested in another game in the ME franchise. I think Id actually rather find Daggerfall and reinstall that. 6 endings and its been fixed. At least the story was better.

So. The damage is done. How serious the aftershock is, remains to be seen.

[mud2]

Solmanian wrote...

I'll just drop this bomb: biggest fans=guys who bought DDE's and CE's? I spent an entire day just going over the art book. if u didn't care enough to get it, than yes you're not as big a fan as u think u are...

If you are willing to spend more for these items, than that is your own subjective opinion on the items' worth. The issue being discussed here is unethical practices of DLC on disc content. 

[Wind__Seer]

Bleachrude wrote...

Wind__Seer wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

I'll just drop this bomb: biggest fans=guys who bought DDE's and CE's? I spent an entire day just going over the art book. if u didn't care enough to get it, than yes you're not as big a fan as u think u are...

http://www.blistered...ct-3-collector/

jump to 3:01 for the collector edtion's review

You mean I need to pay 20 more bucks for a 20 pages comic book, a bare boned art book , a postcard, a freaking usless virtual dog and the digital N7 coat to prove I'm a real fan.

No thanks. I buy the game because I like the game. Not because they give me 100 trinkets

Er, this is a bad argument given that really, bioware was open with what you got for the collector edition...

You mean his argument or mine?
 
Because he is saying you are only a true fan if you buy the collector's edtion, which i didn't buy precisely because I didn't think the things on it were good.

if you compare to other collector's edition's like the one for witcher 2, sonic generations and arkham city, you will see the difference.

if you think it's worth it, no problem. But don't come here saying I don't care for the game because I didn't buy all the extras.

[mud2]

I think this image sums up everything nicely.

[SarcasticPirate]

Farbautisonn wrote...

That will get more attention from the (gaming) media, and it will put an extremely uncomfortable highlight on Bioware/EA

I totally agree with everything you said except this point. The "gaming media" has pretty solidly proven that they are punished unless they score AAA games high and dismiss legitimate complaints against big publishers. If publishers don't like review scores from one site or magazine, they will simply pull their advertisements (or threaten to) unless the score is “fixed” or the employee in question is fired (remember the Gamespot Kane & Lynch controversy?). Publishers can also deny sites that have given “poor” reviews (anything below 85%) early review copies, so those sites are punished by putting out late reviews while their toady competition get all the traffic and ad revenue.

All the so-called “gaming media” have done so far about legitimate criticism of Mass Effect 3 is lump it all together with the homophobic comments. Don’t like the game? Clearly you have a problem with homosexuals.

The gaming industry and press have just about disgusted me to the breaking point. Does Rodger Ebert get banned from, say, Paramount screenings if he poo-poos one of their films? No. That's because the film industry has some sense of ethics.

Modifié par SarcasticPirate, 11 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Tequamada]

I can't wait for EA to come on to the boards and tell us how stupid we are, and how we should stop telling what we like. "Norman added: “Game developers are not evil… we just want to release awesome stuff. So players, please give us a chance, judge our games based on what they are, judge the DLC based on what it is, and stop thinking you’ra producer and telling us when and where we should be building our content.” seriously? this dude is responsible for the games I play? time for HR to have a little talk with Norman.

[Tequamada]

But then again, just look at the forums they should give you a clue as to how important we the customers are. Taking down threads that prove that the DLC was an unnecessary cash cow, and then insulting us through interviews. What a great way to repay someone who has been doling out money that I work for to play your games, and I suppose EA is pleased with the ending to ME3 and we should all just shut up and like it.

[Farbautisonn]

SarcasticPirate wrote...


I totally agree with everything you said except this point. The "gaming media" has pretty solidly proven that they are punished unless they score AAA games high and dismiss legitimate complaints against big publishers. If publishers don't like review scores from one site or magazine, they will simply pull their advertisements (or threaten to) unless the score is “fixed” or the employee in question is fired (remember the Gamespot Kane & Lynch controversy?). Publishers can also deny sites that have given “poor” reviews (anything below 85%) early review copies, so those sites are punished by putting out late reviews while their toady competition get all the traffic and ad revenue.

All the so-called “gaming media” have done so far about legitimate criticism of Mass Effect 3 is lump it all together with the homophobic comments. Don’t like the game? Clearly you have a problem with homosexuals.

The gaming industry and press have just about disgusted me to the breaking point. Does Rodger Ebert get banned from, say, Paramount screenings if he poo-poos one of their films? No. That's because the film industry has some sense of ethics.

-I undestand perfectly where you are comming from and I agree. You do not saw off the (advertising) branch you sit on. An advertising branch that invites you to release parties with freebies. However... There comes a time when the rage of a fangroup becomes so much that it pretty much takes on a force of its own.

The people here who remember names like Westwood, Bullfrog and Origin are likely few in number. However alot more know that that EA has a ****ty rep... period. The reputation sticks to them... and they have been trying to get rid of it (or at least so they claim).

The gaming media needs to grow balls and if some gaming publisher boycots a magazine, other magazines should follow suit and counterboycot. It works. It might hurt at first but it does work.

This forbes blog (and destructoid article) is just the beginning. I dont think this will die down as easily. It might be pure and simple wishfull thinking on my part, but I suspect alot of major gaming magazines will "retcon" their grades for the game in the time to come, especially if the grades are very much in opposition to what their readers feels it should be. Advertizing cash is one thing to loose. Loosing paying clients and getting flack on websites is something entirely different.

[BatmanPWNS]

mud2 wrote...

I think this image sums up everything nicely.
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Lol, did Bioware really fake being a Korean to get that? Cuz that would be totally "lmfao" moment.

[lloyd87]

I definitely do not have a problem with dlc or expansion packs. I've enjoyed many a dlc or ep through the years hl: opposing force, through to arrival.

Where i do have a problem is shelling out £35 of my wages i could easily spend elsewhere and still not getting all of the available content from oft, and they wonder why people turn to piracy.

I play fifa a lot with my friends. If EA sold fifa with only half the teams expected to be in it and then the rest by dlc the day after, the fanbase would cry murder.

[android654]

mud2 wrote...

I think this image sums up everything nicely.

(snip)

How embarassing...

[Tequamada]

I hope that image goes viral, I'm gonna spread it around FB

[android654]

The ones who should be embarrassed are the gaming "journalists." Giving this game 9's and 10's when they cut so many corners exposes their lack of journalistic ethics.

Modifié par android654, 11 mars 2012 - 09:11 .