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Forbes take on the "From Ashes" DLC and general Bioware choices. Don't worry, no spoilers

Débuté par Wind__Seer , mars 10 2012 06:44

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#126
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:17

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android654 wrote...

The ones who should be embarrassed are the gaming "journalists." Giving this game 9's and 10's when they cut so many corners exposes their lack of journalistic ethics.


Embargos. If they give the games a bad review they are effectively blacklisted and will never recieve future game copies from publishers to review. You should essentialy stop relying on mainstream gaming sites for proper game reviews.

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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:19

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android654 wrote...

The ones who should be embarrassed are the gaming "journalists." Giving this game 9's and 10's when they cut so many corners exposes their lack of journalistic ethics.


-I dont think that many of them are journalists. But then... the occupation "journalist" has less credibility than "used car salesmean" in some parts of the world currently.

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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:20

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mud2 wrote...

android654 wrote...

The ones who should be embarrassed are the gaming "journalists." Giving this game 9's and 10's when they cut so many corners exposes their lack of journalistic ethics.


Embargos. If they give the games a bad review they are effectively blacklisted and will never recieve future game copies from publishers to review. You should essentialy stop relying on mainstream gaming sites for proper game reviews.



It's a shame for people like me who are on the fence of casual and regular gamer. People like me tend to peruse those sites hoping to find honest information on what the game is going to have.

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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:33

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android654 wrote...

mud2 wrote...

android654 wrote...

The ones who should be embarrassed are the gaming "journalists." Giving this game 9's and 10's when they cut so many corners exposes their lack of journalistic ethics.


Embargos. If they give the games a bad review they are effectively blacklisted and will never recieve future game copies from publishers to review. You should essentialy stop relying on mainstream gaming sites for proper game reviews.



It's a shame for people like me who are on the fence of casual and regular gamer. People like me tend to peruse those sites hoping to find honest information on what the game is going to have.


Exactly, they aim at those websites for that very reason. Simple isnt it. That is why I am posting, to inform others.

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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:39

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mud2 wrote...

android654 wrote...

mud2 wrote...

android654 wrote...

The ones who should be embarrassed are the gaming "journalists." Giving this game 9's and 10's when they cut so many corners exposes their lack of journalistic ethics.


Embargos. If they give the games a bad review they are effectively blacklisted and will never recieve future game copies from publishers to review. You should essentialy stop relying on mainstream gaming sites for proper game reviews.



It's a shame for people like me who are on the fence of casual and regular gamer. People like me tend to peruse those sites hoping to find honest information on what the game is going to have.


Exactly, they aim at those websites for that very reason. Simple isnt it. That is why I am posting, to inform others.


Well thanks. I don't get into the habit of pre-ordering a lot of games and thankfully haven't been burned yet. The only things I'm pre-ordering is TW2 and Dragon's Dogma and that from my own research. Never pre-ordering or buying any game that's "reviewed" before actual players review it.

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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 10:02

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android654 wrote...

It's a shame for people like me who are on the fence of casual and regular gamer. People like me tend to peruse those sites hoping to find honest information on what the game is going to have.


This is in no way a crack at you, but given the games you have listed and registered you should no longer consider yourself a "casual gamer".

Just saying.

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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 10:09

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

android654 wrote...

It's a shame for people like me who are on the fence of casual and regular gamer. People like me tend to peruse those sites hoping to find honest information on what the game is going to have.


This is in no way a crack at you, but given the games you have listed and registered you should no longer consider yourself a "casual gamer".

Just saying.


ME was the only series I really got hooked on. The DA series got me by association from BW. I only played each once and messed around a bit but no real interest in them.

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Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:44

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android654 wrote...

The ones who should be embarrassed are the gaming "journalists." Giving this game 9's and 10's when they cut so many corners exposes their lack of journalistic ethics.


Or maybe the game deserves high ratings?

Because you didn't think it wasn't worth the praise doesn't mean that's the case for the majority of us out there.

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Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:47

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mud2 wrote...

android654 wrote...

The ones who should be embarrassed are the gaming "journalists." Giving this game 9's and 10's when they cut so many corners exposes their lack of journalistic ethics.


Embargos. If they give the games a bad review they are effectively blacklisted and will never recieve future game copies from publishers to review. You should essentialy stop relying on mainstream gaming sites for proper game reviews.


Agreed.
Happening a lot but hard to heard about this. Sony, EA, they have a lot of power against the journalists.

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Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:51

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And by the way the guy from Forbe has everything right. We should send them to Bioware's QG, maybe they will understand why the fanbase cannot agree with this.

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Posté 12 mars 2012 - 01:58

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Great article, one that see Gamers/Fans as Consumers.

Gaming sites dont give this kind of treatment.

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Posté 12 mars 2012 - 07:39

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Ea and Bioware response:

http://www.forbes.co...lc-controversy/

and another contributor in Forbes talk about the issue too:

http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/

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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:15

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How can they keep lying to us and expecting us to believe their BS?

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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:38

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 It's astonishing how Forbes has better video gaming journalistic integrity than actual game reviewers.

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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 04:36

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Good article.
It's a dialogue we need to have. It will be a painful process, but this problem is not going away and it needs to be acknowledged and discussed in an appropriate fashion.

I did not buy the game yet based on the information provided by this forum and other sources and will refrain from doing so until the manifold problems with Mass Effect 3 have been discussed.

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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:45

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Crossposting from this thread because I feel more people should take in why one should criticize smaller issues as well as bigger issues:
http://social.biowar...index/9907837/6

I completely understand why people are angry and the explanations for why they are angry has been thoroughly discussed, so I won't go into details about that here.

What annoys me the most is how so many people are willing to put up with bad/immoral decisions (by Bioware/EA/other people in society, as long as they are not about "really important" or "big issues" - aka this issue with a video game series "is no big deal".

There have been several people who don't seem to take it seriously when someone wants Bioware to change the ending to ME3, because "there are more important things in the world to focus on". They are the ones I seek to address with this post.

Firstly, I would like to say that it is perfectly possible to save the world while:
-washing your clothes when necessary
-carry out the garbage once in a while
-learning something new at school
-criticizing what you consider to be a bad ending/bad DLC-decision/whatever to a computer game series

Also, if you don't stand for anything you'll fall for anything. It is easier to stand for something ethical on a bigger scale if you equally stand for ethical things on a small scale. Therefore, as a habit, doing the small things in society right is equally important as doing the big things in society right.

You should start with yourself in any regards, whether it is a small or big change you want to implement in society. This means doing the right thing, even when no one is checking up on you - being able to do that with small issues will make it more likely for you to do the right thing in regards to bigger issues.

World peace does not start with you being hired by the United Nations; it starts by greeting your neighbor in the morning.

Making the world better means that you continuously should criticize constructively as many parts of society, big AND small, to make everything better - as a habit. Including voicing your opinions when you believe a game company is not
delivering what they promised, saying you are sorry for something you shouldn't have done or having a talk with your kid when he has been in a fight at school.

As any auto mechanic would tell you, the small cogs are as necessary as the bigger cogs, and they both need to be maintained to have a smooth running machine or, in our case, a smooth running society.

Don't you ever forget it.

Couldn't post there, unfortunately, but people may of course quote this post in this thread if it suits them:
http://social.biowar...index/9896862/1

Also:
http://social.biowar...index/9845819/1

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#142
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 04:35

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the DLC added nothing to my gameplay. I never used him and when i did, it was a meh. He gave some insight to prothean lore and that's about it.

It is a NOT NEEDED DLC.

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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 10:09

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More articles folks, the first one is a discussion about the difference between entitlement and being a responsible consumer:

http://www.forbes.co...ible-consumers/

and about the group of fans that decided to hold a charity run to show their discontentment with the ending:

http://www.forbes.co...money-for-kids/

Modifié par Wind__Seer, 15 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 04:51

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here's another one with kain basically shutting a IGN writer and showing that new endings are not "ground breaking" and there were precedents in gaming.

http://www.forbes.co...native-endings/

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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:25

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"Somebody decided it [From Ashes] would be a tempting enough carrot and chose to exclude the content from the game itself."

Someone is getting promoted. I hope someday Anonymous will let us know, who that lucky s.o.b. is.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:23

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More articles incoming.

Her's is one discussing the possibilty that the endings were made similar so that EA would'nt have to make three different DLC packs later:

http://www.forbes.co...and-future-dlc/

and here's a short one about the Retake Mass Effect and Child's play:

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:31

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That article hits the problem with day one dlc story content right on the head. This is why I can't recommend anyone who didn't get a CE copy to buy the DLC because the 10 bucks is not worth it. It's only 45 minutes of content at the most with all the cutscenes, battle and finding certain information within that DLC not to give spoilers away. Compare that to DA2's 2 DLC's which are 3 hours a piece and only 10 bucks this DLC is a rip off if I ever saw one.

My two cents.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 10:32

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This video at 11:01 talks about the ME3 endings controversy and he makes very good points about complaining as a consumer and what not. I think anyone doesn't matter which side of the debate you are on should take a good look and listen to what this guy says.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 23 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

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Wind__Seer
Posté 27 mars 2012 - 06:57

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Another article explaining why demanding a new ending for a game is different from demanding a new ending for a movie or tv series:

http://www.forbes.co...commercial-art/
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