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[meiwow2]

I'm not the only one who thinks the ending sequence didn't feel real. I noticed the black wavie strands on the end of the screen when you talked to the illusive man and saw how shepard would groan in pain as if he was having a headache, that could be the first stages of indoctrination for sheapards weakened state. The hallucination of the kid talking to you is obviously the catalyst basically trying to communicate to your mind, why would Shepard see the kid and not just a unembodied voice? because the catalyst is playing with his mind to try to confuse him. 
Anyway needless to say the catalyst is the one responsible for controlling the reapers and has been destroying civilizations thought the millennia. Considering this why in the hell would anyone believe this thing when it tells you the best choice it's to control the reapers and not destroy them? why would you believe this thing after EVERYTHING you've been through? Ofcourse the reapers or the one controlling the reapers (same thing) would want to try to indoctrinate you at the end and confuse you and tell you "it's ok, don't kill us, we found a new solution, here you go, control us! turn into one of us" 
And you are gonna fall for it?? hell no! why in the hell would you believe the bastard that's been killing organics for millions of years? 
I believe this is a mental test for the player to see if after everything you've been through, you would make the right choice at the end and not succumb to the reaper's power. What do you guys think?

Modifié par meiwow2, 10 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[bigtpsychoboy]

This theory has been going around quite a lot. However, I don't think that is the case. I played Paragon all the way through and I wanted to have a Paragon ending. So I went with controlling the reapers since that was highlighted blue. I feel like Bioware would know that some people are going to go with the Paragon/Neutral/Renegade ending no matter what they were.

[meiwow2]

Why didn't you think that was the case? just because the device that "supposedly" according to the catalyst can turn you into a reaper is blue, that means is the right choice? I just think there is no reason to believe the enemy whatsoever, remember the reapers are only looking out for themselves. I just think whatever the catalyst says it's a trick to try to comfuse you, wouldn't you think so?

[crimsontotem]

let's get more deep here... for the three entire trilogy, for five years, our Shepard was hell bent on taking out reapers... red ending (to most people it would be the red ending and seems renegade) is sticking to Shepard's determination to continue on his goals that had cost him even his dear ones. And let's not forget that red ending is the only choice from the end that shows you the glimpse of Shepard gasping... under the pile of concretes, rebars which are very earthly components.

May be ending was indoctrinating not only Shepard but also the players as well....
Kinda explains Sovereign-class reapers coming down the earth no? Shepard is utterly impenetrable, lets attack him while he is mentally and physically exhausted (you can hear from his voice before the rundown) and try to stop him by not just crushing him with sheer physical force but more importantly, let's break him mentally, try to bend his determination... for that will be the worthwhile victory even to the reapers for Shepard was the only one individual being who literally stopped them twice and that will be the ultimate victory for that proves reapers point: Organics are weak

[kramerfan86]

The only reason destroy the reapers is anything but a paragon ending is because they added this bizarre "oh yea, it will destroy the geth for no reason" thing onto it. Without that out of place tacked on part destruction of the reapers isnt renegade at all. I mean really, illusive man is the paragon and Anderson is the renegade, are you kidding me?

[meiwow2]

crimsontotem wrote...

May be ending was indoctrinating not only Shepard but also the players as well....
Kinda explains Sovereign-class reapers coming down the earth no? Shepard is utterly impenetrable, lets attack him while he is mentally and physically exhausted (you can hear from his voice before the rundown) and try to stop him by not just crushing him with sheer physical force but more importantly, let's break him mentally, try to bend his determination... for that will be the worthwhile victory even to the reapers for Shepard was the only one individual being who literally stopped them twice and that will be the ultimate victory for that proves reapers point: Organics are weak

Exactly, that's how I felt too, comfuse the actual player into doing what the reapers would want them to specially when there's nothing showing that it would work other than the machine who controls the reapers telling you it would..? and like you said the only ending that shows shepard survives is when you destroy them.
This is the last chance the reapers got to try to break shepard's determination "and the players" and we'd be fools (again) to trust what the reapers or the catalyst says.

Modifié par meiwow2, 10 mars 2012 - 07:42 .

[Nejeli]

I haven't beaten the game yet, but it seems to me the paragon and renegade choices aren't as cut-and-dry as they were in previous games. In ME1 and 2 I would almost always pick the blue options because those were the more honorable choices, but in this one I find myself more torn on what to pick and sometimes, like talking to Vega in Purgatory, it seems like picking the renegade option is the the right choice.

OP - You might want to check out the 'Was it all a Hallucination' thread. People have actually found a lot to support the theory that the end sequence wasn't real, or just in Shepard's head.

Modifié par Nejeli, 10 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Shunt Mcblunt]

Ok, what I don't understand is your choices.
(Peace Keeper) Senergy - Why did you die if it only required DNA, if it merges Synthetic and Organic you should live. The mass relays would be rebuilt fast with the reapers and everyone working together.
(Paragon) Controling the Reapers - To me is this Paragon because Geth and Quarians were allied and EDI was alive - Why did this have the Renegade Illusive Man - Death to become the little kid and could rebuild mass relays and unite races as becoming Shepard Controlled Reaper Taxi Services.
(Renegade)Destroying Synthetics - This is the evil of all evil plot lines why is it that Anderson was here. He would not want to kill an Ally and Geth were my Ally. How come this is the only way for me to survive? As the kid stated I was a Synthetic hybrid I would have died destroying all off the others like Reapers and Geth. If I destroy them all technology would be destroyed because they are programs.

Next WTF. . . . . .
Why was Joker trying to out run the Relay blast? Why was he even Relay jumping did Hackett call a Retreat? Joker said he was here till the end and it shows him running away.
How did my crew get back on the Normandy? They were all planet side.
The Citadel blew up in space and Shepard Suit was not able to survive the vacuum of space. How the hell did I survive?

[DeeKay17]

crimsontotem wrote...

 And let's not forget that red ending is the only choice from the end that shows you the glimpse of Shepard gasping... under the pile of concretes, rebars which are very earthly components. 

Why didn't my "destroy all synthetics" ending show Shepard gasping? When does it happen?

Modifié par DeeKay17, 10 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[meiwow2]

Shunt Mcblunt wrote...

(Renegade)Destroying Synthetics - This is the evil of all evil plot lines why is it that Anderson was here. He would not want to kill an Ally and Geth were my Ally. 

 
You have to understand renegade doesn't mean "evil", a renegade is a person that doesn't like to make sacrifises and does what makes him/her feel better, and a paragon is a person that does the right thing, not what makes him/her feel better.
I would argue that trying to save all synthetics, edi and yourself by turning into a reaper and believing what the catalyst (the enemy) tells you to deviate you from your goal is the renegade option.

DeeKay17 wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

 And let's not forget that red ending is the only choice from the end that shows you the glimpse of Shepard gasping... under the pile of concretes, rebars which are very earthly components. 

Why didn't my "destroy all synthetics" ending show Shepard gasping? When does it happen?

I think you have to have over 5000 EMS to get to see the scene.

Modifié par meiwow2, 10 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[AxisEvolve]

I doubt Bioware would do this since it's the end of Shepard's story. But you never know.

[Melra]

DeeKay17 wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

 And let's not forget that red ending is the only choice from the end that shows you the glimpse of Shepard gasping... under the pile of concretes, rebars which are very earthly components. 

Why didn't my "destroy all synthetics" ending show Shepard gasping? When does it happen?

You need 4000+ effective war assets.

[lookingglassmind]

I think it's either a hallucination, an indoctrination test, or a tech-singularity test.

[DeeKay17]

meiwow2 wrote...

DeeKay17 wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

 And let's not forget that red ending is the only choice from the end that shows you the glimpse of Shepard gasping... under the pile of concretes, rebars which are very earthly components. 

Why didn't my "destroy all synthetics" ending show Shepard gasping? When does it happen?

I think you have to have over 5000 EMS to get to see the scene.

ye, I had ~6700

[meiwow2]

DeeKay17 wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

DeeKay17 wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

 And let's not forget that red ending is the only choice from the end that shows you the glimpse of Shepard gasping... under the pile of concretes, rebars which are very earthly components. 

Why didn't my "destroy all synthetics" ending show Shepard gasping? When does it happen?

I think you have to have over 5000 EMS to get to see the scene.

ye, I had ~6700

Effective Military Assets not "total" maybe.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

DeeKay17 wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

 And let's not forget that red ending is the only choice from the end that shows you the glimpse of Shepard gasping... under the pile of concretes, rebars which are very earthly components. 

Why didn't my "destroy all synthetics" ending show Shepard gasping? When does it happen?

5000 Effective Military Strength if you didn't Para/Rene TIM.
4000 EMS if you did Para/Rene TIM if I'm not mistaken.

[Freeway911]

I thought about something like that last night. When Shepard gasps at the end it looks like the area that he was making the mad dash towards the beam to get on the Citadel. If that is the case the beam knocked him out he dreamed the whole ending sequence of events. Now if that is the case here is the things I can see in the future.

A) They release another ME game. ME The Reaper Wars and allow you to play other races as they battle the reapers on earth. A group of people get angry because ME3 was supposed to be the end. Personally I enjoy the hell out of playing other races on multiplayer and would buy it.

They already have DLC in the works to finish the game. Either something short or a big addition kinda like the Awakening addon for DAO. Some people get angry for above reasons, others rejoice in the fact they get the happily ever after ending they wanted and well one that actually makes some sort of sense. The departure of my squad from the Normandy during the end was a total wtf moment.

[DeeKay17]

crimsontotem wrote...

And let's not forget that red ending is the only choice from the end that shows you the glimpse of Shepard gasping... under the pile of concretes, rebars which are very earthly components.  

Is this a secret ending  that opens up after second play through?