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[Billabong2011]

ace1221 wrote...

NEWSFLASH: Bioware is stalling for time so they can finish building their own crucible that erases everyone's memories concerning the Endings of ME3

They don't need a crucible, just those nifty little pen things from Men in Black 

[ace1221]

Billabong2011 wrote...

ace1221 wrote...

NEWSFLASH: Bioware is stalling for time so they can finish building their own crucible that erases everyone's memories concerning the Endings of ME3

They don't need a crucible, just those nifty little pen things from Men in Black 

Meet you halfway with the flying car from MIB2 that erases everyones memories as well!

[Billabong2011]

ace1221 wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

ace1221 wrote...

NEWSFLASH: Bioware is stalling for time so they can finish building their own crucible that erases everyone's memories concerning the Endings of ME3

They don't need a crucible, just those nifty little pen things from Men in Black 

Meet you halfway with the flying car from MIB2 that erases everyones memories as well!

It's a deal 

[Rafe34]

-Merk- wrote...

Yeah, that's one of the reasons my friend used to convince me not to abandon Bioware. "They are reading the forums, give them a chance to mull it over and give a response. Then you can judge." Is what I was told. So I said "OK", and undeleted my saves

How exactly did you do that?

[JasonTan87]

pknecron wrote...

What many media types seem to forget is that they are not making the game for themselves, they are making the game for us. If we the end consumer are not happy, then they have failed regardless of what they were "trying to say".

Some people are fine with the endings, but the vast majority are at the very least disheartened by them. I have never, in my gaming life, seen any game generate the kind of controversy this one has. It is amazing, and a bit discouraging that someone up there in Edmonton didn't stop someone important and say "WTH are you guys thinking, this will never fly?".

This is correct.  They make games for an audience the same way a writer writes for his readers. 

The reason why it has generated so much controversy is because this is one of the few very popular games that has broken the reader-writer contract.

Dreogan wrote...

The Violation of the writer-reader contract is why this ending is wrong for mass effect 3: not a bad ending, a wrong one. If you look at the linked page, Bioware violated points 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 8. To make matters worse, this isn't even an exhaustive list. Look below, and you'll realize there's many more obligations for Bioware in this case since this is the third part of a trilogy.

This is why people are so furious about the last 10 minutes of a 30 hour game. It's not bad writing that's the issue; it's bad storytelling-- a much worse offense.

 

Dregan's Full Thread:  http://social.biowar...69450/1#9769912 

Modifié par JasonTan87, 11 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[Texhnolyze101]

TheLostGenius wrote...

thought the endings were great. Stop nitpicking and enjoy the game sillies.

The endings suck stop accepting garbage.

[thoaloa]

Rafe34 wrote...

-Merk- wrote...

Yeah, that's one of the reasons my friend used to convince me not to abandon Bioware. "They are reading the forums, give them a chance to mull it over and give a response. Then you can judge." Is what I was told. So I said "OK", and undeleted my saves

How exactly did you do that?

Windows 7 > Folder Properties > Previous Versions.

Edit: Don't Rely on for backup its quite random on how it works. It is mainly the improved version of system restore.

Modifié par thoaloa, 11 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[lasertank]

I hope he is really listening. And not to reduce all critics towards the ending to a "they simply want a brighter one" BS.

[taylortexas]

Well, it's good to know that he's aware of this issue. Not that he could really avoid it without crawling underneath a rock. I truly do sympathize, to see all of the hard work, dedication and creativity be overshadowed by this stain on the saga. It must be extremely frustrating and discouraging, but that's where a lot of us are at too. We deserve better, and if they thought this was acceptable then they deserve whatever gloom they're dealing with.

[TheWaffleCult]

JasonTan87 wrote...

pknecron wrote...

What many media types seem to forget is that they are not making the game for themselves, they are making the game for us. If we the end consumer are not happy, then they have failed regardless of what they were "trying to say".

Some people are fine with the endings, but the vast majority are at the very least disheartened by them. I have never, in my gaming life, seen any game generate the kind of controversy this one has. It is amazing, and a bit discouraging that someone up there in Edmonton didn't stop someone important and say "WTH are you guys thinking, this will never fly?".

This is correct.  They make games for an audience the same way a writer writes for his readers. 

The reason why it has generated so much controversy is because this is one of the few very popular games that has broken the reader-writer contract.

Dreogan wrote...

The Violation of the writer-reader contract is why this ending is wrong for mass effect 3: not a bad ending, a wrong one. If you look at the linked page, Bioware violated points 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 8. To make matters worse, this isn't even an exhaustive list. Look below, and you'll realize there's many more obligations for Bioware in this case since this is the third part of a trilogy.

This is why people are so furious about the last 10 minutes of a 30 hour game. It's not bad writing that's the issue; it's bad storytelling-- a much worse offense.

 

Dregan's Full Thread:  http://social.biowar...69450/1#9769912 

I do wish people would stop talking about "the writer reader contract". The ending has lots of writing issues, but the link that people are circulating is just some random novelist's blog. There is no "writer reader contract" that all screenwriters are bound to follow, and Chanwa Schroeder is certainly not the be all end all expert on story creation.

[JasonTan87]

TheWaffleCult wrote...

I do wish people would stop talking about "the writer reader contract". The ending has lots of writing issues, but the link that people are circulating is just some random novelist's blog. There is no "writer reader contract" that all screenwriters are bound to follow, and Chanwa Schroeder is certainly not the be all end all expert on story creation.

The writer-reader contract is a fundimental pillar of writing when it comes to any form of fictional material.  Chanwa Schroeder is merely being quoted because it is easily accessible and she states her points clearly. It's also the first to come up on google.

By denying the importance of the readers-writers contract, you are denying that film, screenplay and game narrative are founded on fiction.  You are denying that readers and viewers have to place trust in the author when engaging in the created material. You are denying the need for the suspension of disbelief when engaging in any work of fiction. You are denying that fiction was created for the reader.

You are essentially denying that Mass Effect 3 was created for us.

Perhaps you could care to explain why Bioware would create a work of fiction for themselves?

Modifié par JasonTan87, 11 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[Korhiann]

Rafe34 wrote...

-Merk- wrote...

Yeah, that's one of the reasons my friend used to convince me not to abandon Bioware. "They are reading the forums, give them a chance to mull it over and give a response. Then you can judge." Is what I was told. So I said "OK", and undeleted my saves

How exactly did you do that?

Well he could just restore them from the waste paperbasket.

[Parker Stephenson]

I really don't think that people understand this, everyone has heard the saying "the squeaky bearing get the oil" this will pertain to us, not only just us on the forums are disappointed I'd say well over 1/2 if not 3/4 of mass effect fans are more then just disappointed, but furious, and we are not only complaining on our own behalfs on this forum but every ME fan out there who isn't on this forum complaining or voting for new endings, so we shouldn't give up on hope that DLC are coming and hopefully with new endings. If you wish to be like your Shepard, then you'll keep fighting this because if you cave they win just as if you caved in the game the reapers won. And the fact remains that "the customers are always right"and if they wish to think otherwise, then I say good luck to them selling another game to another person, because it will not happen and they can kiss their current jobs good bye, and of they still sit there an think oh I'll get another job at another gaming company, once again I'll wish the good luck because with such a disappointment of an ending that one of the biggest games of this year let alone the largest hype base for over the past 2 years, the only job they'll get is a game tester, so trust me when I tell you new endings will be coming fellow fans just keep your hope, because we will win, we just need to keep gaining more support on our end from people around the globe, and of course any media attention will always help our cause

[suusuuu]

what people need to understand that mass effect isn't some kind of free webcomic that the creator has freedom to do whatever they want with it. first of all, it is not free. so one would assume the creators would go to any length to avoid disappointing the fans. not talking about catering to the fans. not disappointing is something else. 

people need to understand a game is not an art piece, where upon seeing it, you see all of the aspects of it and you can freely decide whether or not to buy it. a game needs time, your user time, to progress through and the worst dick move is to provide a half assed ending that looks like it was glued up in after effects with little thought given to it in less than an hour to a game that otherwise was nearing on perfection. not to mention, the endings are pretty much deus ex rip offs. however, with the introduction of origin, they have eliminated the possibility of refunding the game, so they already have our money simply basing on the reputation of the previous games and cannot be hit directly.

Modifié par suusuuu, 11 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[TheWaffleCult]

JasonTan87 wrote...

TheWaffleCult wrote...

I do wish people would stop talking about "the writer reader contract". The ending has lots of writing issues, but the link that people are circulating is just some random novelist's blog. There is no "writer reader contract" that all screenwriters are bound to follow, and Chanwa Schroeder is certainly not the be all end all expert on story creation.

The writer-reader contract is a fundimental pillar of writing when it comes to any form of fictional material.  Chanwa Schroeder is merely being quoted because it is easily accessible and she states her points clearly. It's also the first to come up on google.

By denying the importance of the readers-writers contract, you are denying that film, screenplay and game narrative are founded on fiction.  You are denying that readers and viewers have to place trust in the author when engaging in the created material. You are denying the need for the suspension of disbelief when engaging in any work of fiction. You are denying that fiction was created for the reader.

You are essentially denying that Mass Effect 3 was created for us.

Perhaps you could care to explain why Bioware would create a work of fiction for themselves?

Well, to an extent, many artists do create works for themselves. But that's neither here nor there: the "writer reader contract" is not an actual thing; it is a collection of generally good ideas that many writing teachers like Alice LaPlante and Robert McKee suggest. I'm simply wishing that people would stop saying "Bioware broke the contract" as if it's a real thing and that they are owed something.

The ending was bad. It was poorly written. It's absolutely possible to cite writing theory to prove this. Just, please, stop linking to that woman's website as if a real contract has been voided.

[Alixen]

TheWaffleCult wrote...

Well, to an extent, many artists do create works for themselves. But that's neither here nor there: the "writer reader contract" is not an actual thing; it is a collection of generally good ideas that many writing teachers like Alice LaPlante and Robert McKee suggest. I'm simply wishing that people would stop saying "Bioware broke the contract" as if it's a real thing and that they are owed something.

The ending was bad. It was poorly written. It's absolutely possible to cite writing theory to prove this. Just, please, stop linking to that woman's website as if a real contract has been voided.

We ARE owed something. We were not given Mass Effect 3, nor its predecessors. It was not a gift. It was a story that we PAID to enjoy and experiance, and we trusted Bioware (a company previously  known for ts good stories) to deliver at satisfying ending. We invested parts of ourselves for three games only to be suckerpunched. The speed that a single poll is racing up (thousands in hours) shows the truth that we have been wronged.

I felt betrayed by DA2, and I never bought a single DLC for it, nor the newest book. I didn't plan to buy DA3 unless reviews on here were glowing. Now, after the suckerpunch that is ME3? I won't be buying DA3 at all, or will get a console version second hand after release. I will only buy an ending fix DLC for ME3, and I am about to cancel my Invasion comic preorder.

I DID vote with my wallet with DA2, and now I will do the same for ME3. And it pains me greatly. I won;t be picking up any future Bioware titles unless this is resolved in a satisfactory manner.

[Parker Stephenson]

Bioware is still a service, hell any gaming company is, so if you feel that they did not hold up their end of the service (which most people do) which we paid for (the game itself) then we do have the right to demand either 1. Compensation/refund for this, or 2. A change of the service provided, I'm not asking for any DLC to be free which I will admit we deserve but however they did follow the guidelines by giving us a complete story (which everyone agrees is great until the very last 15 min) but I personally will pay for any new ending DLC (which I won't be happy about but will still pay for since the game is worth it) as long as it is reasonably priced between 5-10 dollars USD currency

[Parker Stephenson]

I find this solution to be completely reasonable on both parts, we get what we wanted, an they continue to keep their fan base and make a small profit on top of their current large profit from ME3 game itself

[Epique Phael767]

It'd be pretty funny if this whole thing wound up on national news or something.

[LordHelfort]

At the rate this is going, when we lay siege to Bioware's headquarters it might.