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[JasonDaPsycho]

The bioware we came to know is gone. It's just EA now. They'll throw a $10 ending DLC at us and tell us that they were listening.

At least they pretended.

[KainrycKarr]

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Uh, no offense, but please don't lump me in with your petty childish view of gamers.

[Neroteyen]

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Not this time, Theyre are alot of us myself included that this is the final straw. Not fixed? No more $ from me.

Modifié par Neroteyen, 10 mars 2012 - 11:49 .

[ichobi]

Fallout 3 did this as mentioned before. CDprojekt create a 5 hours of gameplay extending the original ending of the Witcher 2 and release it for FREE because the fans were pissed.
(Though I don't think Bioware will be as committed).

Unless Bioware can pull some magic trick that would evaporate my initial sour feeling after finishing the game, I see no way they can redeem the ending.

Modifié par ichobi, 10 mars 2012 - 11:49 .

[Denethar]

You know it's bad when "It was all a dream" is preferred over the ending.

[BrunoBerg]

KainrycKarr wrote...

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Uh, no offense, but please don't lump me in with your petty childish view of gamers.

Sure there are gamers who actually won't buy new DLC because of the reasons you brought up, but I strongly doubt there are many of them.

[Kenthen]

KainrycKarr wrote...

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Uh, no offense, but please don't lump me in with your petty childish view of gamers.

It's not like he doesn't have a point though, there's sadly a lot of people that have asked for a chance to throw more money at EABioware just to fix an ending that shouldn't have been this catastrophically bad to begin with.

Modifié par Kenthen, 10 mars 2012 - 11:51 .

[LMShepard]

I think Casey Hudson, executive producer needs some comments on his Twitter too. The ME team needs to hear what fans really have to say...

[DrowNoble]

I was disappointed in the Dragon Age series. Origins was ok, the DLC was very lackluster though. DA2 quite frankly sucked, it seem like it was rushed. Plus I'm still miffed Anders tac-nuked the chantry for no effing reason. I did however, have Mass Effect to look forward to (and SWTOR of course).

Now I'm not so sure about ME anymore.

If Bioware doesn't retcon this with a DLC, patch or whatever quick, I will seriously give consideration to dropping future Bioware games from my buy list. I know I know, I'm only 1 person and Bioware could care less but that's not the point. I've liked the games they've done since Day One. To see them faltering now.... is it them burning out or their EA overlords ruining things?

What really irks me is how Casey said, publicly, that if we do all the side missions and everything we'd get a "satisfying" ending. How are ANY of these endings even remotely "satisfying"?

[ApophisGoauld]

There is hope after all!! At least I HOPE, THERE IS HOPE.....

[DrowNoble]

Neroteyen wrote...

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Not this time, Theyre are alot of us myself included that this is the final straw. Not fixed? No more $ from me.

Well I for one didnt buy DLC for DA2.  I didn't like the game so I didn't buy the DLC no matter how many emails I got saying how "shiny" the new content was.  The game sucked and DLC wasn't going to change that.

The ONLY reason I got From Ashes is because I had points left over from a long time ago.  If I didn't have enough I wouldn't have got it.  Not worth the money either IMO.  The Only DLC I'll buy for ME3 is the "Fixed Ending DLC" that I hope they get working on asap.

[The_Other_M]

Kenthen wrote...

Not that anyone should hold their breath for what the official comments might be. It'll likely be along the lines of "yeah, well, deal with it. Oh, and buy this awzum Omega DLC for $10, it's bananas!"

^^That's what I expect too....
However, if they don't fix this s#!%, then this franchise is dead.

[KainrycKarr]

Kenthen wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Uh, no offense, but please don't lump me in with your petty childish view of gamers.

It's not like he doesn't have a point though, there's sadly a lot of people that have asked for a chance to throw more money at EABioware just to fix an ending that shouldn't have been this catastrophically bad to begin with.

Er, that's not what  meant. I would pay for additional endings.

I'm just saying that additional DLC that ISN'T addtional/changed endingas wont make me forget how ****ty this whole mess is.

[KainrycKarr]

LMShepard wrote...

I think Casey Hudson, executive producer needs some comments on his Twitter too. The ME team needs to hear what fans really have to say...

He hasn't posted a tweet since the seventh.

[Rip504]

About New DlC...

It is pointless. We all know it will not effect the story nor the outcome(Unless it is end changing dlc)
So what would be the point of buying it? The game is over,concluded. After your DLC is finished it is over, and the end is the end.

Your happy ending(Playthrough) would like to enjoy other dlcs yes,but not to pointlessly waste time and money. The Shepard we know dies. Therefor all you have done, choices etc are gone. Thats why Bioware doesn't conclude your choices,because they feel as if  they are now meaningless. The only choice that matters,is how you decide to deal with the Reapers. Are the N7 and other side missions worth it? Is MP worth it? Why would additional paid dlc be worth it? It effects nothing but a random pointless number.

Controlling Reapers-Shep is gone. Destroy Reapers-Shep is gone. Merge life. Humanity is gone,with every other race. Now we are all something new and different. Shepard is gone...

Edit also true,
I also did not buy DLC for DA2. I fully supported that 10$ rip-off until I played it. It came with my CE.
I can handle the ending to a point.(Although Very Poorly executed.)
But the idea of any DLC for ME3 is just a joke to me. It doesn't improve things,it will not enhance anything,and it will not further the story. It will add 15 mins of entertainment,with the potential of being bad,glitchy,and poorly written? Why take the chance IMO,I will have a wait and see approach with Bioware from now on.

ME is a great series.

Modifié par Rip504, 11 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[shurryy]

LMShepard wrote...

I think Casey Hudson, executive producer needs some comments on his Twitter too. The ME team needs to hear what fans really have to say...

... So Casey has it coming now huh...? He probably did so he would be able to dodge the fire from the fans after he read this ending and could already foretell the outcome. 

Heh heh, I noticed this ending really has left a hollow point in my stomach. Now all that remains is that my flesh and blood is replaced with tech and ill be a full fledged Bioware Husk... 

[BrunoBerg]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Kenthen wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Uh, no offense, but please don't lump me in with your petty childish view of gamers.

It's not like he doesn't have a point though, there's sadly a lot of people that have asked for a chance to throw more money at EABioware just to fix an ending that shouldn't have been this catastrophically bad to begin with.

Er, that's not what  meant. I would pay for additional endings.

I'm just saying that additional DLC that ISN'T addtional/changed endingas wont make me forget how ****ty this whole mess is.

So, let me get this straight. You thought I had a petty, childish view on gamers because I said they wouldn't stand strong and more or less boycott future DLC, then you go on to say that you would pay for more DLC? Now I would like to know what you thought was petty and childish about what I said because I no longer understand what point you were trying to make.

[ChaosMarky]

I would have prefered an ending similar to dragon age origins: a group of text written endings that tells us what happens to the rest of the galaxy after!

The ending CGs and cutscenes were great but.... If ME3 is going to be the last of the series then we need a proper closure. No need for fancy CGs or whatnot, just a couple of text written endings that tells us what happens to the rest of the galaxy after the war. I think having this would be enough to grant us closure. It would be nice to know what happens to the quarians and geth after all our decisions. Or what happens to the krogans and their "new empire" after being free of the genophage (or their extiction). Heck, i wanna know what happens to my squadmates after my "sacrifice"!

Please conisder Devs. I wouldn't demand you guys to re-create an entirely new CG ending to a game. But making a DLC that enables this DAO text-ending feature should be easier AND enough for most of us.

Also, I think the normandy crash scene in the end is [indeed] confusing and posts too many "what-if" questions that mitigates the impact of a "closure".

[mickeymacattack]

Pyromatic Tabby wrote...

FO3 is the only game I can think of that had the ending retconned later on, every other game with an aweful ending has had a variation of the 'Deal with it' reaction.

Odds are, we'll be told to 'deal with it' in some form.

(I Sure as hell hope Mac Walters doesn't go into a long list of why the endings work, I'd feel insulted)

Neverwinter Nights 2 had a similar ending of the main character (along with his entire party dying), this was later changed with the expansion Mask of the Betrayer which they basically play it off with you having survived, actually quite well done too.

Whether they decide to do such a thing remains to be seen, but it certainly wouldnt be the first game to do it.

[Zourin]

How it should have ended:


Control Ending: Should have ended with Shepard becoming the ultimate evil bad-ass, having unseated the Illusive man and taken over his agenda to use the Reapers to secure humanities dominance. Readiness varies the level of earth's destruction and whether Shepard is able to be extracted. Readiness also should gauge whether humanity falls to the rest of the galaxy despite this achievement, or gains dominance. Shepard survives.

Synthesis Ending: The neutral decision- Shepard sacrifices him/herself to ensure galactic peace. With no way to survive the process, readiness ultimately determines whether there is anything of earth left to save.

Destruction Ending: A high readiness and/or saving Anderson should end the 'Hero's' path on a more positive note, possibly even allowing Anderson himself to destroy the conduit and allowing Shepard to make a run for it (possibly Anderson arguing against the Starchild to enforce the paragon path). The ending does not blatantly declare that you're going to kill the Geth and EDI by doing so. Readiness score ultimately gauges how much of Earth or your friends survive based on past decisions.

Overall: The endings across the board were cheap. It offered no consequence to any decision you made in ME1, ME2, OR ME3 (even paragon/renegade boils down to how or when you shoot the Illusive Man). There is no epilogue regarding the Genophage, the results of the Quarian/Geth aftermath, the Council, or the state of Earth after the Sol relay blows (or even the rest of the galaxy). Everything you cared about (to save or destroy) is rendered moot by the deus ex machina at the end.

Personally, I would have thrown Conrad Verner into the beam and called it a day.

[Pyromatic Tabby]

DrowNoble wrote...


If Bioware doesn't retcon this with a DLC, patch or whatever quick, I will seriously give consideration to dropping future Bioware games from my buy list. I know I know, I'm only 1 person and Bioware could care less but that's not the point. I've liked the games they've done since Day One. To see them faltering now.... is it them burning out or their EA overlords ruining things?

A Buddy of mine and I were having a very similar discussion earlier, DA2 being the bizarre squel that it was was strike one, The ME3 ending was strike two.

Strike three? **** it, we're out.

A single bad game I can live with, two will get a studio moved from the Day One list into the 'Maybe if I hear it's decent' list (With exceptions on just how bad I believed the game to be),

But the reason I'm really quite pissed with ME3 was it was a great game with a truely horrendous ending, compounded by the fact I've been enjoying the story over three games I feel I've been poked in the eye, 'Bioware' is ready to slip off my list completely into the void below the bottom of the page.

Wait and see about that last bit, But since FO3 is the only example of a studio changing it's ending under audience pressure that I know of, I'm pretty certain the next Bioware game is one whoes title I'll either never remember, or actively ignore.

Edit -

mickeymacattack wrote...


Neverwinter
Nights 2 had a similar ending of the main character (along with his
entire party dying), this was later changed with the expansion Mask of
the Betrayer which they basically play it off with you having survived,
actually quite well done too.

Whether they decide to do such a thing remains to be seen, but it certainly wouldnt be the first game to do it.

I hadn't heard of that example before actually, That make me pretty hopeful considering that is itself a Bioware game, Cheers for that.

Modifié par Pyromatic Tabby, 11 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[pinoy_sav]

He also did say that Bioware is planning smething so....I guess we sorta have hope?

[Rip504]

Zourin wrote...

How it should have ended:


Control Ending: Should have ended with Shepard becoming the ultimate evil bad-ass, having unseated the Illusive man and taken over his agenda to use the Reapers to secure humanities dominance. Readiness varies the level of earth's destruction and whether Shepard is able to be extracted. Readiness also should gauge whether humanity falls to the rest of the galaxy despite this achievement, or gains dominance. Shepard survives.

Synthesis Ending: The neutral decision- Shepard sacrifices him/herself to ensure galactic peace. With no way to survive the process, readiness ultimately determines whether there is anything of earth left to save.

Destruction Ending: A high readiness and/or saving Anderson should end the 'Hero's' path on a more positive note, possibly even allowing Anderson himself to destroy the conduit and allowing Shepard to make a run for it (possibly Anderson arguing against the Starchild to enforce the paragon path). The ending does not blatantly declare that you're going to kill the Geth and EDI by doing so. Readiness score ultimately gauges how much of Earth or your friends survive based on past decisions.

Overall: The endings across the board were cheap. It offered no consequence to any decision you made in ME1, ME2, OR ME3 (even paragon/renegade boils down to how or when you shoot the Illusive Man). There is no epilogue regarding the Genophage, the results of the Quarian/Geth aftermath, the Council, or the state of Earth after the Sol relay blows (or even the rest of the galaxy). Everything you cared about (to save or destroy) is rendered moot by the deus ex machina at the end.

Personally, I would have thrown Conrad Verner into the beam and called it a day.

+1

[Militarized]

KainrycKarr wrote...

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Uh, no offense, but please don't lump me in with your petty childish view of gamers.

Agreed... already voted with my wallet, cancelled my SWTOR account and specifically said ME3 is why I left. 

[KainrycKarr]

BrunoBerg wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Kenthen wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

BrunoBerg wrote...

Grumpy Midget wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

So, the people who hate the ending also foolishly believe there's even the slightest chance that it will be redone. It figures.

We vote with our wallets.  How many of the pissed off fans on this forum will be buying any more DLCs if the endings aren't changed.

Oh please, we're gamers. Gamers get mad and yell at things and as soon as a new DLC is released we drop all our rage and enter "ooooh, look moar awesome stuff for my favorite game!".

Uh, no offense, but please don't lump me in with your petty childish view of gamers.

It's not like he doesn't have a point though, there's sadly a lot of people that have asked for a chance to throw more money at EABioware just to fix an ending that shouldn't have been this catastrophically bad to begin with.

Er, that's not what  meant. I would pay for additional endings.

I'm just saying that additional DLC that ISN'T addtional/changed endingas wont make me forget how ****ty this whole mess is.

So, let me get this straight. You thought I had a petty, childish view on gamers because I said they wouldn't stand strong and more or less boycott future DLC, then you go on to say that you would pay for more DLC? Now I would like to know what you thought was petty and childish about what I said because I no longer understand what point you were trying to make.

I may have misunderstood your post. And I said I would buy specific DLC; any other DLC I would ignore as it doesn't address my problems. My problems with the game don't get addressed = no more $$ out of my pocket.

It sounded like you were saying gamers would, say, buy Omega DLC and forget about the endings because it's more stuff, which is certainly not the case with me.