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[IronHam]

Tamcia wrote...


How do you know it's different? The vid shows it vcan be seen far away from the galaxy, you think those explosion waves are doing no damage? If you smash a nucler bomb it explodes in the same way as when you push the button. For all we know, there is life only on the planet where Normandy landed. 

Everyone on earth got hit by the same energy wave generated by the citadel itself, yet they're not affected? (Unless you had a really low warscore). Besides, if the energy generated by the relays' explosion destroyed everything, there is no way the Normandy would survive, let alone crash-land on an unaffected habitable planet.

[nitefyre410]

Remember that grizzly corridor that Shepard limped through at the end with all the bodies and body parts and the blood dripping from the ceiling... yeah... that across the entire Citadel... Really ripping NGE on that one with what happened to NERV in EOE.

[Kmead15]

Tamcia wrote...

How do you know it's different? The vid shows it vcan be seen far away from the galaxy, you think those explosion waves are doing no damage? If you smash a nucler bomb it explodes in the same way as when you push the button. For all we know, there is life only on the planet where Normandy landed. 

Yeah, but just because we can make a propane tank explode doesn't mean the tank explodes every time I turn on my grill. You have no reason to think that it killed everyone, especially since we see that energy wave wiping over humans with no damage being done to them (Unless you have low war assets, then it does seem to kill everything).

[jestermarcus]

Modifié par jestermarcus, 10 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[jestermarcus]

Kmead15 wrote...

Tamcia wrote...

How do you know it's different? The vid shows it vcan be seen far away from the galaxy, you think those explosion waves are doing no damage? If you smash a nucler bomb it explodes in the same way as when you push the button. For all we know, there is life only on the planet where Normandy landed. 

Yeah, but just because we can make a propane tank explode doesn't mean the tank explodes every time I turn on my grill. You have no reason to think that it killed everyone, especially since we see that energy wave wiping over humans with no damage being done to them (Unless you have low war assets, then it does seem to kill everything).

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The probem is we do have reason to believe that it killed everyone. Because Bioware said thats what happens when a relay is destroyed in "The Arrival" DLC. They never specify that if the relay is destroyed from the inside so to speak, that it will explode any different. If all the planets were fine, then the last part of the ending with the old man and the child could have been set on Earth, but it wasn't. It was probably set on some human colony that wasn't anywhere near a relay.

[Kmead15]

jestermarcus wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Yeah, but just because we can make a propane tank explode doesn't mean the tank explodes every time I turn on my grill. You have no reason to think that it killed everyone, especially since we see that energy wave wiping over humans with no damage being done to them (Unless you have low war assets, then it does seem to kill everything).

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The probem is we do have reason to believe that it killed everyone. Because Bioware said thats what happens when a relay is destroyed in "The Arrival" DLC. They never specify that if the relay is destroyed from the inside so to speak, that it will explode any different. If all the planets were fine, then the last part of the ending with the old man and the child could have been set on Earth, but it wasn't. It was probably set on some human colony that wasn't anywhere near a relay.

They show us what happens when a relay is hit be a asteroid the size of a small planet. Assuming that what occurred in one situation is what will always occur under different circumstances is foolish, and it only takes two seconds of thought to come up with a reason why they wouldn't wipe out entire systems this time. In addition, the blasts you see travelling over the galaxy in the ending is the energy you use to control, destroy, or change organics not the explosions from the relays. You can tell because it changes colors with the endings. We also know that energy isn't deadly to humans (at least, not always) because we see humans survive it in those cutscenes.

[jestermarcus]

Kmead15 wrote...

jestermarcus wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Yeah, but just because we can make a propane tank explode doesn't mean the tank explodes every time I turn on my grill. You have no reason to think that it killed everyone, especially since we see that energy wave wiping over humans with no damage being done to them (Unless you have low war assets, then it does seem to kill everything).

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The probem is we do have reason to believe that it killed everyone. Because Bioware said thats what happens when a relay is destroyed in "The Arrival" DLC. They never specify that if the relay is destroyed from the inside so to speak, that it will explode any different. If all the planets were fine, then the last part of the ending with the old man and the child could have been set on Earth, but it wasn't. It was probably set on some human colony that wasn't anywhere near a relay.

They show us what happens when a relay is hit be a asteroid the size of a small planet. Assuming that what occurred in one situation is what will always occur under different circumstances is foolish, and it only takes two seconds of thought to come up with a reason why they wouldn't wipe out entire systems this time. In addition, the blasts you see travelling over the galaxy in the ending is the energy you use to control, destroy, or change organics not the explosions from the relays. You can tell because it changes colors with the endings. We also know that energy isn't deadly to humans (at least, not always) because we see humans survive it in those cutscenes.

That energy sure looked dangerous to the Normandy, which happened to be at FTL speeds and it still nearly destroyed the ship. The Normandy was in orbit above Earth when the Relay exploded and then Joker went FTL. So we can assume that blast had already hit Earth, what do you think it did, nothing? When an object releases its energy, it doesn't matter what released it, just that it is released. Whether it was an asteroid or an internal explosion is irrelevent, the same amount of energy needs to be released. Like I said, we do have reason to believe that the relays devestated their local solar systems because we have seen that happen. Nothing in the ending cinematics gives us any reason to believe otherwise. We were never fighting for the current cycle, we seemed to only be fighting for the next set of species to advance. Sure pockets of people will survive, but not the home planets.

[Kmead15]

jestermarcus wrote...


That energy sure looked dangerous to the Normandy, which happened to be at FTL speeds and it still nearly destroyed the ship. The Normandy was in orbit above Earth when the Relay exploded and then Joker went FTL. So we can assume that blast had already hit Earth, what do you think it did, nothing?

We don't need to guess at what the blast did, we see the effects as it hits the Earth. In some endings it blows up buildings and quick-roasts the humans. In others, it's just shown to affect the Reapers. 

jestermarcus wrote...

When an object releases its energy, it doesn't matter what released it,
just that it is released. Whether it was an asteroid or an internal
explosion is irrelevent, the same amount of energy needs to be released.

The relay isn't releasing its energy all at once. It has to expend some to create enough ye olde Colorful Space Magic to cover their section of the galaxy, and a bit more to send the reaction down to the next relays in the chain. For the explosions to be the same size as the one in Bahak, that would require all the other relays to be holding up more energy than the Alpha relay, which we have already been told was a super special powerful one (for some reason).

jestermarcus wrote...

Like I said, we do have reason to believe that the relays devestated
their local solar systems because we have seen that happen. Nothing in
the ending cinematics gives us any reason to believe otherwise.

Also false. The Normandy did not excape the blasts and the planet they crashed on did not escape them. The merge ending shows that they were both affected. Neither seems particularly crispified.