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[GodWood]

Christ, I've always had a low opinion of the majority of the ME fanbase but these "ending threads" have lowered it to a point I didn't think was possible.

Over the past year we've had revelation after revelation showing that the direction Bioware was taking with ME3's story was absolutely terrible.

Things like being railroaded against Cerberus "just because", having TIM's actions be completely illogical and to the detriment of both the galaxy AND himself, having Cerberus' size and power completely contradict everything established in ME2 and ME Revelation, sacrificing the integrity of Ashley's character (and the setting itself ....again) for the sake of sexing her up just to appease the base needs of the average player, and perhaps most annoyingly of all destroying any sense of moral ambiguity by having it so "pure paragon = perfect" and renegade simply equals the same content with the same consequences, but worse. A complete betrayal to the fanbase and the complete opposite of what this series promised: "tough choices" and "Meaningful Consequences for one's actions".

So how were these horrible developments met? Well aside from a vocal minority, indifference and perhaps even worse, support.

The antagonist's actions being completely illogical and destroying any sense of character integrity? Unimportant.

Being railroaded against an ally for no reason what so ever regardless of what the player's choices were? Doesn't matter.

Having all previous knowledge about said ally completely contradict their new "role"? Who cares?

Taking a strong female character and reducing her to a piece of fapbait to please fat throbbing little girth of the average pimple faced teen? So what?

Worst of all, completely lying to the fanbase about tough decisions and consequences and completely destroying the moral ambiguity of the setting by favouring one set of choices at all times regardless of how little sense it makes? "Lol them Cerbfanboys are ****ing again."

None of this mattered. With all these revelations that pointed to a plot made up of contradictions, character destruction and juvenile pandering, the overwhelming majority of you didn't seem to care. The things I'd like to think are important to all fans of ME; plot, character and choice + consequence seem to be of little importance to most of you. It's only when Bioware suddenly stopped jerking you off and actually slapped you with a dose of reality that you actually seem to take issue with a direction with ME's plot.

It's pathetic. This isn't about the setting's integrity, a character's integrity or anything like that, rather you simply see these games as a juvenile fantasy that's sole purpose is to beat you off and gratify your ego in the most childish manner possible. I see you all 'want' to have these endings 'fixed', but this is a total crock of ****. Yes there's plenty that's certainly wrong with these endings that make little sense but it's not these things that you want fixed, you simply want it so Shepard and crew get their rainbows and bunnies ending.

It's quite sad really. So long as people like this continue to be the market for videogames, they'll never be able grow as an artistic medium and tackle more challenging and adult issues for fear of hurting the fragile ego of the average player.

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Now to clarify for the thickheaded among us. No I'm not defending Bioware, and no I'm not defending the writing of these endings. What I'm doing is pointing out the sheer hypocrisy and childishness of the reasoning behind the complaints.

[Enyn]

You have no way of knowing what the people who don't like the ending thought about the issues you mention in this thread. You're simply putting words into people's mouths and calling them hypocrites based on that.

[The Big Nothing]

The worst kind of person is someone who tries to defend the actions of another.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 10 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[AlanC9]

Who says they're the "majority"?

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

I liked the title of this thread... and I actually LIKE the ending of ME3... but after reading the post (and no TL;DR, I actually read the entire longwinded post) I just have one word for the OP... WTFBBQSAUCE??????

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 10 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[adawg828]

I don't think the endings are that great, but think about it did you guys honestly expect an ending with unicorns and rainbows coming out of Shepard butt.

[Luvinn]

Majority? Present the facts in an excel spreadsheet for me to see.

[Bocks]

There is no hypocrisy or childishness. Bioware had two games to take choices from and connect those choices to actual consequence. Nothing you do matters. It's all pointless.

As a result, the entire series is butchered. All because Bioware were lazy with the ending. I don't know about you, but if after 5 years they expect me to deal with the circumstances that come as a result of the ending, knowing that there is absolutely NOTHING I can do to change them in a game that boasts about choice and consequence, then I'll just tell them to deal with me not purchasing another Bioware game, ever.

[Zalbik]

The OP should be banned for starting a troll thread.

Modifié par Zalbik, 10 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[f1ndmenow]

All I am doing is simply adding an idea of a new ending, if you played a game for six years and spend it with your own money and the end result has no pay off then you tell me if "ends justify the means" a quote from Martin Luther King

[The BS Police]

Take it from somebody who rarely if ever complained and rarely pointed the blame at Bioware in general... The ending sucks!

[JohnCena94]

Luvinn wrote...

Majority? Present the facts in an excel spreadsheet for me to see.

The majorty (based on the forums, which isn't everyone) says that the endings were bad.

[Farbautisonn]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Il Divo]

Gotta say, reading through your rant is almost as bad as rewatching the ME3 endings. And that's saying something.

[Sebby]

The worst part of the anti-Cerberus railroading is that it makes the control ending completely nonsensical given the context of Shepard spending the whole game telling TIM to go F himself and herping and derping about how s/he wants to destroy the reapers no matter what. It makes fighting Cerberus completely counterproductive.

[ColdRiver]

adawg828 wrote...

I don't think the endings are that great, but think about it did you guys honestly expect an ending with unicorns and rainbows coming out of Shepard butt.

How about just an ending that makes sense?

[TheInvicibleCandyBar]

Actually, OP, the majority of people love the story and the characters, but hate how it ended. And calling people names is not a good way to get you're point across.haven't seen the endings yet myself, but I expect that I will at least enjoy the fight.

[AtomicSymphonic]

adawg828 wrote...

I don't think the endings are that great, but think about it did you guys honestly expect an ending with unicorns and rainbows coming out of Shepard butt.

Agreeing with this one... I'm thinking A LOT of the fan base wanted something along the lines of this to happen. A "happily ever after" ending.

[Tyko Brian]

Well, the ME3 endings ARE terrible, for a number of reasons. I mean let's look at ME2...there was a whole range of endings... from perfect "everyone survives" ending to disastrous "everyone dies" ending. And these are based on actions made by Shepard throughout the entire game such as how much ship upgrade has been made or completing loyalty missions etc. But in case of Me3 it's not like that... I won't say more so people don't get spoiled. The ending of Deus Ex Human Revolution is a pretty good example.
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A tragic ending such as Shepard and the galaxy's resistance efforts becoming futile and reapers completing the cycle of extinction as usual is by no means a ‘bad’ ending: it’s expected. In ME2 the worst possible outcome was done so dramatically that it was one of my favorites and I was highly impressed how they presented it. But in case of ME3... well for minimal spoilers... let's just say, it's almost... almost as if the ending disregards your decisions throughout the game (let alone the trilogy) and it is almost entirely based on some actions in the finale... What I thought Bioware was promising us was that when a tragic ending would take place we would realize that we should've taken a particular action or done some things differently in the game, or in ME2 or hell, in ME1... so then we would replay perhaps the entire trilogy to get the endings we want...
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And people who are saying perfect endings would make the series too much of a fairytale, well RPG's don't force people into any endings... so it could've been at least included. Now I know it is highly unlikely that in a reaper invasion a perfect can be achieved…but first let me tell you what I mean by a perfect ending. My version of “perfect” ending is that no major characters (including Shepard, of course) die: they can be handicapped by the war- I have no problem, and no home planet is completely destroyed- there can be huge losses that take decades to rebuild, though. I would’ve loved it if Bioware included it and made it EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY difficult to achieve it like for example the player would have to take a particular route and do numerous things in a particular way spanning the entire trilogy: and they would only realize what needs to be done after several playthorughs of the trilogy! This “perfect” ending could’ve been something to boast about to your friends and be proud of: an ultimate achievement.
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And also there could’ve been other bittersweet endings like the perfect ending I mentioned except Shep’s love interest dies to help Shep achieve it… or the perfect ending I mentioned except Shepard sacrifices himself to achieve this, and the galaxy remembers him as the ultimate hero. And to be honest… the way Bioware presented the three endings… well for minimal spoilers- let’s just say they have some tragic elements in common which I’m sure gamers would’ve preferred to dodge… and also visually, the endings are very much similar… the absence of epilogue also creates a need for closure: which was VERY necessary. Personally, I think another reason I’m absolutely hating the endings is because after several playthroughs I’ve realized that no matter what I do, I can’t stop some very very important unwanted outcomes.
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I don’t think there’s an excuse for blunders like this… if Bioware could’ve created two awesome games like ME1 and ME2 and if they could put up a fabulous show in ME3 till the ending as well then what on Earth happened in the ending?? By not giving people the choice or the scope to craft their own closing of the trilogy, they have to some extent destroyed the RPG elements of the game. And well, as the ending is the last thing people will experience, this will be etched in their memory…
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Shepard endured and sacrificed so much for the sake of the galaxy and by no means (s)he had voluntary support from the council. Hell, (s)he was even put to trial for genocide!! So what does this self- sacrificing heroic figure get in return in the final chapter of the battle?? (S)he deserved a proper ending! And I think even his/her demise wasn’t well presented… Shepard deserved better!!! As a Shepard myself I demand it!! If Bioware had to release the game five years later to make things right, fans would’ve understood. But nooooo… they rushed and now we have this…
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After playing through ME3 I have to constantly chant to keep myself loosing my cool, “The journey is more important than the end…”, “The journey is more important than the end…”, “The journey is more important…
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WHY BIOWARE, WHY?????????????????????? :’(

[Il Divo]

adawg828 wrote...

I don't think the endings are that great, but think about it did you guys honestly expect an ending with unicorns and rainbows coming out of Shepard butt.

I didn't want unicorns and rainbows. But I didn't want what we got either. A quality ending and a tragic ending are not mutually exclusive.

[kingjezza]

The Big Nothing wrote...

The worst kind of person is someone who tries to defend the actions of another.

I dunno, those pesky child rapists are pretty bad as well.

Close run thing though.

[The Big Nothing]

With the ending of Mass Effect 3, Bioware removed all replay value.

There is no reason to replay the games, because nothing you do matters. Made poor choices? You win. Made good choices? You win.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 10 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Dragoonlordz]

GodWood wrote...

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Try it without the insults and I will read it again. Your no better than those you hate if can't remain civil and express yourself in a reasonable and calm manner. I'm not saying the others you hate are any better but two wrong's don't make a right.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[GodWood]

Luvinn wrote...
Majority? Present the facts in an excel spreadsheet for me to see.

I can provide a poll.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

From the results it's clear the hate stems from the lack of "sunshine + bunnies" and not poor writing. Now I know that particular poll lacks a "I have a problem with the endings but not because they're bleak" option, which is unfortunate, however looking at these threads and the comments within them it doesn't take a genius to see what the majority takes issue with.

Now if people actually hate the endings because of poor writing then wonderful! But then where the **** is all the threads complaining about the sheer retardedness of the rest of the script?

And why am I seeing so many "Everything else was fine - then the endings ruined it" comments?

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Try it without the insults and I will read it again. Your no better than those you hate if can't remain civil and express yourself in a reasonable and calm manner.

I'm completely calm.

Modifié par GodWood, 10 mars 2012 - 08:22 .