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[kbct]

OP, go read some of the 400+ Mass Effect 3 fan reviews from registered users. The vast majority disliked the ending(s) and explained themselves in a very articulate manner.

[Bluko]

No the endings do actually just suck. In the spoilers I had read they sounded acceptable. Although I had only looked at the ending choices at the time. But having actually seen them in full is pretty disappointing.

Not only are they heavily contrived, but there's a severe lack of explanation as to why these endings must occur. The problem is not so much the idea of the endings themselves and the choices presented, although the "Green" ending is rather preposterous. The problem is why they happen makes no sense and there is hardly any difference between them. And to top it off there is no real meaninful epilogue either. In short ME3 ends in a "cliffhanger" fashion that frankly almost mandates there be some Post-Ending-DLC or an ME4. That is simply put not what I wanted to see. I wanted things to end for good and have some sort of closure for the trilogy. All we get is a few very brief cinematics to tie things up that do the series no justice.

I don't want or need a "happy" bonfire ending. I just want to know what the heck actually happens after D-Day. The problem is ME3 gives us no details of what happens. It leaves us with an empty box and runs aways. To me it feels they intentionally took stuff out of the ending in some vain effort to keep us coming back for more. Except I believe it backfires in this case as from what I've seen I'm not even sure I want finish ME3 or even play ME1/ME2 ever again.


As for OP... so because you're mad about a morally ambiguous group being an enemy again in ME3 you believe the entire fanbase should suffer with you? Also Cerberus isn't as "evil" as you think they are in ME3. Still if you honestly thought Cerberus were going to be good guys in ME3 you were only fooling your self with your own fanciful fan fiction. Both the Paragon and Renegade endings in ME2 make it abundantly clear that the Cerberus/Shepard relationship is over. It's not something up for debate. Cerberus was never going to be your friend in ME3.

[T1l]

People who complain about people complaining are the worst type of people.

[GodWood]

Foulpancake wrote...
If you are happy with your 3 different flavors of vanilla, great, fantastic, enjoy them because you earned them, and that is YOUR choice. But its not mine.

You didn't read the OP did you?

You really should as you're exactly the type of person it's targetted at.

Bluko wrote...
Also Cerberus isn't as "evil" as you think they are in ME3. Still if you honestly thought Cerberus were going to be good guys in ME3 you were only fooling your self with your own fanciful fan fiction. Both the Paragon and Renegade endings in ME2 make it abundantly clear that the Cerberus/Shepard relationship is over. It's not something up for debate. Cerberus was never going to be your friend in ME3.

"Now we're doing things my way" isn't exactly a clear cut resignation. It's certainly not what I'd like Shepard to say but it certainly doesn't justify the pants-on-head retardedness of the Cerberus plot 'developments' in ME3.

Anyways, ME Retribution mentioned that both Shepard and TIM may work with one another again and LotSB + Arrival also implied Cerberus was still an ally of Shepard post CB.

T1l wrote...
People who complain about people complaining are the worst type of people.

no u

[wolfstanus]

I like it when people state opinions as facts. Both sides do this. This game had bad. Sorta good ending and a not perfect but what did you expect? Shep frolicking in a field of grass with his li?

[Wolf]

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Modifié par Gaiden96, 10 mars 2012 - 09:48 .

[safrrr]

thats one ending, yes wolfstanus

[KBomb]

 
I didn't think the endings were sad. I have to admit I was one of the people that dreaded seeing my teammates die. I didn't mind it once I saw it. Wasn't bad at all. I also didn't see the crash landing as sad. It represented a new Eden, an age of new beginning. It also didn't bother me that Kaidan went from Earth to the Normandy. It's pretty obvious Joker picked them up from Earth and was trying to get the hell out of dodge.



To me it was just so...lackluster. There is all this epic fighting and massive battles and Admiral Hackett telling Shepard the Crucible wasn't working and she had no way of telling him what was going on. So in five seconds it went to “omigod we're going to die!” to “Yay! Reapers ain't reapin' any more!” Then what ever color you chose explodes and …..pan to the Normandy....then pan to Stargazer and mini-me talking about “The Shepard” as if she were a God.



Not to mention the entire game having to repeatedly tell us how evil Cerberus was. Good grief I got so tired of hearing it. The vids at Cerberus HQ were just...jesus christ. Really? Shepard is smart enough to control the Reapers according to the Guardian, yet she falls prey to Cerberus using her and the entire staff of the Normandy? The surprise about who EDI really was? Wtf, come on. I wasn't even a Cerberus supporter, but I thought TIM was an amazing character and to see him villianed to the point of some 1930 mustachioed “bad guy” who tied innocent women to railroad tracks ridiculous. To Sarenize him was unoriginal and lazy. And it was overkill shoving “cerberusizbadguyz” down the player's throat every scene, and insulting to those who role-played their character as a Shepard who agreed with the ideals TIM had regarding humanity and their role in the galaxy. Insulting. It also implies that Bioware changed their stance on Cerberus only because so many people disliked them to begin with. Pandering, some would say.



And that is not even mentioning the other things that were wonky, such as GR points being screwed, choices not mattering and too much auto-dialogue. I can see the point the OP is trying to make, even if it's a bit harsh and generlized. People should be demanding Bioware address those things that are truly “Wtf is this?” instead of making a DLC to make the Normandy crash on Earth and have Shepard reunited with crew and LI. Imo, those are small issues when compared to the whole of it.

Modifié par KBomb, 10 mars 2012 - 09:50 .

[safrrr]

multiple smex scenes, why not doing a 3some with shepard and the busty miranda and samara. that would be the ultimate ending.

[Bad King]

Bluko wrote...
Both the Paragon and Renegade endings in ME2 make it abundantly clear that the Cerberus/Shepard relationship is over.

That is not the case with the renegade option. You'll need to present some hard evidence if you're going to make such a claim.

Modifié par Bad King, 10 mars 2012 - 10:10 .

[wolfstanus]

The ending to me was a happy ending that punched you in the gut at the same time

[Mr.Snithums]

Honestly I'm not a regular to the BSN and I usually don't come to here to support or bash anything if at all and I also wasn't well versed in ME3 before it launched. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge fan of the series but I liked to keep most elements of the game a suprise and thats why I avoided a lot of the 'big issues' with the game prelaunch. I had faith in Bioware to present a convincing story as to why certain things happened such as Shepard/Cerberus departing as allies. I'm not 100% happy with how it all turned out but it was just one part of the game that I was able to resolve to some extent by the end of the game.

The endings in the game are what trouble me as they fail to offer any closure and answered few questions that have been around in the series for some quite sometime. I did show my support in the polls asking for a 'lighter' ending but that was more because there was no choice that allowed me to ask for simple comprehensive endings. I don't need to see Shepard live or shooting rainbows from his fingers just an ending that offers a proper closing set piece that is inline with the rest of the trilogy and most importantly - makes sense. I'm sure if ME2 had ended on a similar note with the Illusive Man simply cackling maddly at the end, talking about how he was going to double-cross Shepard I would have felt the same betrayal then.

I can forgive most errors and plot holes throughout the majority of the game but to me the endings really do ruin the rest of it. If something closes and leaves a sour taste in your mouth, no matter how good the rest of it was you're going to hesitate on trying it again. I would love to play through ME3 again but I find myself halted when I think that all my choices simply lead to the same end with a different light show.

So you know whatt, I'm sorry I wasn't a part of the community that leaned to fix the issues you presented OP, I had faith in a company that I loved. Apparently I was wrong to place faith in them and their ability to present and resolve those issues properly. I liked Cerberus and the Illusive Man, ME2 painted them as the embodiment of the 'Renegade'(Get it done no matter the cost) but apparently cartoon villains were their fate. Did that along with everything else you raised ruin my experience though? No, the poorly writen and executed ending 5 minutes accomplished that. It destroyed my experience because it invalidated everything before hand and would have done so even if everything else had been 100% spot on perfect.

[Sebby]

GodWood wrote...

Anyways, ME Retribution mentioned that both Shepard and TIM may work with one another again and LotSB + Arrival also implied Cerberus was still an ally of Shepard post CB.

Hell, in Retribution TIM even states that he's willing to work with Anderson despite all the damage he did against his organization in that book.

[Sylvianus]

lol. I thnk the Op, didn't get it. The game is awesome, and the story too. It's just that we need another ending better than the others that suck. Do not put words in our mouths. Your feelings for this game aren't the same at all.

[sorentoft]

The BS Police wrote...

Take it from somebody who rarely if ever complained and rarely pointed the blame at Bioware in general... The ending sucks!

This. I was not even bothered by the DLC, but the ending does truly suck.

[KBomb]

The effort placed to make Cerberus seem like they were nearly worse than the reapers to me was borderline silly. It was like watching Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein.

“Oh, EDI. You were a bad guy? I am disappoint. Oh, wait....you spammed Cerberus with pr0n? Lulz You be trollin' gurl. Welcome back to the good side!”

So juvenile for such a serious matter.

[Plinkett]

He isn't trolling. He speaks the truth! Why the hell is everyone who speaks bad against Bioware a ****ing troll?!

[Bluko]

Bad King wrote...

Bluko wrote...
Both the Paragon and Renegade endings in ME2 make it abundantly clear that the Cerberus/Shepard relationship is over.

That is not the case with the renegade option. You'll need to present some hard evidence if you're going to make such a claim.

If you can keep up great, if not I'll stop the Reapers without you.

Niether T.I.M. nor Shepard seem keen on being "friends" from that sort of dialogue if you ask me. It does leave the possibility of them maybe working together, but there is no "handshake deal" of such thing. In fact when T.I.M. says: don't presume to judge me or my methods it seems pretty obvious to me T.I.M. plans to do things his way from that point on. Prior to that T.I.M. has let you do things the way you want for the most part. I mean seriously did you honestly believe T.I.M. was going to take orders or "suggestions" from Shepard? Or did you want to take orders from T.I.M. again? 


Of course I can understand not liking the Alliance either, but with them you have less of a choice since when you joined the Alliance you accepted to be bond by certain rules and regulations. Shepard is always going to be a military dog whether you like or it not. And in times of war you don't get the option to opt out. In fact it's made pretty clear that Shepard is lucky to have as much freedom as he/she does and that they weren't outright executed for working with Cerberus.

[Kaiser Shepard]

jreezy wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

The ending is symbolic, it represents everything wrong with the script but without the pandering. This shatters the beliefs of a lot of people, they're perfectly fine with other people being screwed until it starts impacting them. The relays, just like how them blowing up represents freeing the galaxy from the reapers, represents fan delusions shattering.

That's very true sadly.

It does show you where most people's priorities lie, though; their space husbando/waifu, instead of plot consistency and proper choice & consequence.

I mean, I already knew as much, but to have it confirmed en masse like this is a whole 'nother thing.

Foulpancake wrote...

OP reads a few posts a whining people and suddenly we're all whiners? Awesome

My ****ing about the endings simple. Bioware said that MY actions would shape the game, that MY actions would shape the outcome, and that MY actions would shape the ending.

Well guess what? They didn't. I WANT a happy fluffy ending. I WANT to see my Shepard with little blue Babies running around. Why? Because that's MY choice.

If you are happy with your 3 different flavors of vanilla, great, fantastic, enjoy them because you earned them, and that is YOUR choice. But its not mine.

I take it you were (or are?) the kind of kid whose parents always caved in whenever you DEMANDED something?

Not sure what to do with the rest of your post, though: I could use it as a prime example of what I posted above, but on the other hand it would be a nice way to start an analysis on free will vs determinism in videogames as well.

[Ronin1325]

KBomb wrote...

 
I didn't think the endings were sad. I have to admit I was one of the people that dreaded seeing my teammates die. I didn't mind it once I saw it. Wasn't bad at all. I also didn't see the crash landing as sad. It represented a new Eden, an age of new beginning. It also didn't bother me that Kaidan went from Earth to the Normandy. It's pretty obvious Joker picked them up from Earth and was trying to get the hell out of dodge.



To me it was just so...lackluster. There is all this epic fighting and massive battles and Admiral Hackett telling Shepard the Crucible wasn't working and she had no way of telling him what was going on. So in five seconds it went to “omigod we're going to die!” to “Yay! Reapers ain't reapin' any more!” Then what ever color you chose explodes and …..pan to the Normandy....then pan to Stargazer and mini-me talking about “The Shepard” as if she were a God.



Not to mention the entire game having to repeatedly tell us how evil Cerberus was. Good grief I got so tired of hearing it. The vids at Cerberus HQ were just...jesus christ. Really? Shepard is smart enough to control the Reapers according to the Guardian, yet she falls prey to Cerberus using her and the entire staff of the Normandy? The surprise about who EDI really was? Wtf, come on. I wasn't even a Cerberus supporter, but I thought TIM was an amazing character and to see him villianed to the point of some 1930 mustachioed “bad guy” who tied innocent women to railroad tracks ridiculous. To Sarenize him was unoriginal and lazy. And it was overkill shoving “cerberusizbadguyz” down the player's throat every scene, and insulting to those who role-played their character as a Shepard who agreed with the ideals TIM had regarding humanity and their role in the galaxy. Insulting. It also implies that Bioware changed their stance on Cerberus only because so many people disliked them to begin with. Pandering, some would say.



And that is not even mentioning the other things that were wonky, such as GR points being screwed, choices not mattering and too much auto-dialogue. I can see the point the OP is trying to make, even if it's a bit harsh and generlized. People should be demanding Bioware address those things that are truly “Wtf is this?” instead of making a DLC to make the Normandy crash on Earth and have Shepard reunited with crew and LI. Imo, those are small issues when compared to the whole of it.

Absolutely, KBomb, which is why I created a thread about holding Bioware to account for how they marketed the game to us, whether the game is good, bad, or ugly-

http://social.biowar...index/9718306/1

[Ronin1325]

Mr.Snithums wrote...

Honestly I'm not a regular to the BSN and I usually don't come to here to support or bash anything if at all and I also wasn't well versed in ME3 before it launched. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge fan of the series but I liked to keep most elements of the game a suprise and thats why I avoided a lot of the 'big issues' with the game prelaunch. I had faith in Bioware to present a convincing story as to why certain things happened such as Shepard/Cerberus departing as allies. I'm not 100% happy with how it all turned out but it was just one part of the game that I was able to resolve to some extent by the end of the game.

The endings in the game are what trouble me as they fail to offer any closure and answered few questions that have been around in the series for some quite sometime. I did show my support in the polls asking for a 'lighter' ending but that was more because there was no choice that allowed me to ask for simple comprehensive endings. I don't need to see Shepard live or shooting rainbows from his fingers just an ending that offers a proper closing set piece that is inline with the rest of the trilogy and most importantly - makes sense. I'm sure if ME2 had ended on a similar note with the Illusive Man simply cackling maddly at the end, talking about how he was going to double-cross Shepard I would have felt the same betrayal then.

I can forgive most errors and plot holes throughout the majority of the game but to me the endings really do ruin the rest of it. If something closes and leaves a sour taste in your mouth, no matter how good the rest of it was you're going to hesitate on trying it again. I would love to play through ME3 again but I find myself halted when I think that all my choices simply lead to the same end with a different light show.

So you know whatt, I'm sorry I wasn't a part of the community that leaned to fix the issues you presented OP, I had faith in a company that I loved. Apparently I was wrong to place faith in them and their ability to present and resolve those issues properly. I liked Cerberus and the Illusive Man, ME2 painted them as the embodiment of the 'Renegade'(Get it done no matter the cost) but apparently cartoon villains were their fate. Did that along with everything else you raised ruin my experience though? No, the poorly writen and executed ending 5 minutes accomplished that. It destroyed my experience because it invalidated everything before hand and would have done so even if everything else had been 100% spot on perfect.

Agreed. It would have been much more interesting to paint Cerberus with more complex shades of grey and have them be a kind of 'wild card' for the ultimate resolution of the story.

[ramdog7]

I have never complain but the endings do suck. I thought reaper were independent and not control by a god child. What happens to all the forshadowing about dark energy? And the Normandy, what was it doing out there? Where does it land? Long story short; the ending left a lot of unanwser questions and answered some poorly

[Spowis]

Can this arguement-baiting thread wait? I'm just in the middle of some calibrations.