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[Ronin1325]

Spowis wrote...

Can this arguement-baiting thread wait? I'm just in the middle of some calibrations.

LOL And what quest do we have to unlock to proceed with your conversation, Spowis? 

[Dark_Caduceus]

GodWood wrote...

PrinceofSpades wrote...
GodWood... a PURE Deus Ex Machina! Is a total plot hole! It means the writers wrote themselves into a hole, had no idea how to get out and BAM! Lets literally make a god from the machine(s).... He will sort this **** out!

Its pathetic, and something I would expect from ancient greeks who had no idea where lightning came from.This was a sci-fi trilogy... It 100% should not have ended like this. This is the kind of ending I would expect from a crappy anime! 0% writing talent went into the ending, I am sorry.

Criticizing the writing. Well done.

Now so long as you don't chuck a hissy fit because it wasn't "happy/bright/whatever" enough you'll be better then the herd.

My contention with the ending wasn't that it was dark and melancholy, it was that we were continuously told to try and make the right decisions, complete every sidequest and create a force to face the Reapers. When it comes down to it, we have three bleak endings, colour-coded for convenience, which scarcely take into account the actions of the previous installments.



**SPOILERS AHEAD**



The endings rely on one of the worst examples of circular logic I've ever seen. "I created giant sentient warships to extinguish advanced organic life every 50,000 years so that the organic life won't create giant sentient warships to extinguish all advanced organic life.", is essentially what the "logic" boils down to. Then we're given the option to choose between three non-sequitor endings completely out of line with the established mythos and origins of the story:
1. Rewrite the Reapers and show that your efforts against the Illusive Man were misguided, invalidating a great deal of your struggle without so much as a shrug of the shoulders and taking the power out of your hands, Shepard dies. A bleak ending to say the least, not to mention a rather arbitrary and uninspired one, the problem here is that not only is it depressing(which isn't bad in itself) but it makes you feel powerless to save Shepard and villifies the Illusive Man no matter what, there's no sense of accomplishment, not a shred of hope in sight.
2. Synthesis between the synthetic and organic life in the galaxy. First of all, it's plain weird, how does this even work? Mass Effect until this point has been rather grounded in reason, I anticipate the argument that this works because it's science fiction, but it's a weak one. Up until this point every contention involving technology has been based around the Mass Effect phenomenon(it's the title of the series for ****'s sake) but now this? Out of nowhere, really? This represent a massive shift in the theme and atmopshere of the story, not necessarily a bad thing but it is bad when it completely blindsides you with no build up, might as well have added time travel to the story because it would be just as arbitrary. Likewise, does this not just bring full circle what the Catalyst was trying to avoid by using the Reapers? What this seems to imply is a technological singularity, so again, the events of the previous games? Invalidated. We might as well have let the Reapers harvest because eventually it achieves the same goal - the entire galaxy, and maybe even universe consumed and synthesized into perfect organic-synthetic hybrids.
3. Destroy the Reapers, completing your mission. Of course, many of the remaining planets are doomed to a slow death by lack of resources because the relays are gone and Shepard never sees any of his friends again, seperated by distances which can't be traversed without mass relays. This one, I feel, is somehow the most hopeful(not to mention the only one that doesn't rely on circular logic) and I honestly wouldn't have minded this ending very much. There's sacrifice, there's some ambiguity as to whether Shepard or any of the the characters survive but there's still light at the end of the tunnel, there's no reason the races can't repopulate, rebuild, invent new FTL technology not based on Reaper tech. Hell, someday they might even remake a central Council, make their own Citadel, bigger and better than the last, exist in perfect harmony, all the good stuff. So even though it seems dark and dreary, 5000, 10000, 1,000,000 years from the defeat of the Reapers through ahrd work and innovation we could actually have a happy ending, one that is earned, not handed to us.

But you don't even get this because the Godchild has to mention that "the peace won't last" and "the cycle will continue once organics create AI again". So they close that little gap at the end of the tunnel, there's no hope, no future. All you've done is ruined the galaxy and delayed extinction until AI comes back and the cycle restarts. This is after I fred EDI, let her discover how to be human and painstakingly brokered peace and cooperation between the Geth and the rest of the galaxy. Everything tells you that AI and organics can co-exist until the very end where the Godchild pisses all over your idealism and efforts in a couple sentences.

This isn't anger because the game didn't end with the universe back to normal and Shepard laughing it up over drinks at the Citadel with all his friends. It's disappointment that no matter what I do, the galaxy is screwed and will be until the heat death of the universe rolls around and nobody even remembers the effort to resist.

Oh, and the epilogue with the stupid grandpa and dumb child remembering Shepard was just terrible and contrived, so Shepard is the new zombie space Jesus for some primitives on a distant planet where space travel is but a fantasy? Yeah, thanks Bioware, real great conclusion(and they had the nerve to mention purchasing more DLC to "continue the legend" at the end, pathetic).

I know this is a long post, but I urge that you read it to perhaps gain insight into the feelings the "whiners" have with regarding the game, if nothing else nobody can say I didn't ground my dislike for the endings in argumentation and reason.

Modifié par Dark_Caduceus, 11 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Texhnolyze101]

AlanC9 wrote...

Who says they're the "majority"?

Well we certainly aren't a minority.

[ramdog7]

I agree with Dark_Caduceus

[FrozenDreamfall]

T1l wrote...

People who complain about people complaining are the worst type of people.

I totally support this quote.if you like the ending that's fine,but do NOT insults respectable gamers and lovers of this series to this extreme.This isn't real life,it's a game,at least in a game let us have what WE want,and it's OUR money,if you find worms in your newly bought can of beans I bet you'd report it to the health department.We are doing the same,we don't like something,we're not gonna idly sit by and accept it.OUR hard earned money and time went into this series and the MAJORITY was NOT happy.Or do I need to state this clearer?  This isn't communism anymore,people don't like something,they say it,if you like it,good for you,move on and be happy.But actually the majority of us was very disappointed,do not use what you think personally as a fact,or did you not see the hundreds of votes on the polls here? That IS the majority,and the majority is always supposed to be right,you as the minority love it,good for you,but don't dare bash us.How do you expect others to respect you when you voice your opinion in such insulting manner? I have one word for that,TROLL.Excuse us for not being so intelligent and wise as your majesty to not understand such an outstanding ending to such a great series.You must be highly rational and well read to grasp something like this,how could we,the lowlifes that we are,have not been able to see it?

[Texhnolyze101]

Rojahar wrote...

GodWood wrote...

beat you off

That's gross

[Wikal]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

GodWood wrote...

beat you off

That's gross

Every good argument has some reference to "calibrating your own weapon". That's what the internet has taught us.

[Xellith]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

GodWood wrote...

PrinceofSpades wrote...
GodWood... a PURE Deus Ex Machina! Is a total plot hole! It means the writers wrote themselves into a hole, had no idea how to get out and BAM! Lets literally make a god from the machine(s).... He will sort this **** out!

Its pathetic, and something I would expect from ancient greeks who had no idea where lightning came from.This was a sci-fi trilogy... It 100% should not have ended like this. This is the kind of ending I would expect from a crappy anime! 0% writing talent went into the ending, I am sorry.

Criticizing the writing. Well done.

Now so long as you don't chuck a hissy fit because it wasn't "happy/bright/whatever" enough you'll be better then the herd.

My contention with the ending wasn't that it was dark and melancholy, it was that we were continuously told to try and make the right decisions, complete every sidequest and create a force to face the Reapers. When it comes down to it, we have three bleak endings, colour-coded for convenience which scarcely take into account the actions of the previous installments.



**SPOILERS AHEAD**



The endings rely on one of the worst examples of circular logic I've ever seen. "I created giant sentient warships to extinguish advanced organic life every 50,000 years so that the organic life won't create giant sentient warships to extinguish all advanced organic life.", is essentially what the "logic" boils down to. Then we're given the option to choose between three non-sequitor endings completely out of line with the established mythos and origins of the story:
1. Rewrite the Reapers and show that your efforts against the Illusive Man were misguided, invalidating a great deal of your struggle without so much as a shrug of the shoulders and taking the power out of your hands, Shepard dies. A bleak ending to say the least, not to mention a rather arbitrary and uninspired one, the problem here is that not only is it depressing(which isn't bad in itself) but it makes you feel powerless, to save Shepard and villifies the Illusive Man no matter what, there's no sense of accomplishment, not a shred of hope in sight.
2. Synthesis between the synthetic and organic life in the galaxy. First of all, it's plain weird, how does this even work? Mass Effect until this point has been rather grounded in reason, I anticipate the argument that this works because it's science fiction, but it's a weak one. Up until this point every contention involving technology has been asbed around the Mass Effect phenomenon(it's the title of the series for ****'s sake) but now this? Out of nowhere, really? This represent a massive shift in the theme and atmopshere of the story, not necessarily a bad thing but it is bad when it completely blindsides you with no build up, might as well have added time travel to the story because it would be just as arbitrary. Likewise, does this not just bring full circle what the Catalyst was trying to avoid by using the Reapers? What this seems to imply is a technological singularity, so again, the events of the previous games? Invalidated. We might as well have let the Reapers harvest because eventually is achieves the same goal - the entire galaxy, and maybe even universe consumed and synthesized into perfect organic-synthetic hybrids.
3. Destroy the Reapers, completing your mission. Of course, many of the remaining planets are doomed to a slow death by lack of resources because the relays are gone and Shepard never sees any of his friends again, seperated by distances which can't be traversed without mass relays. This one, I feel, is the most hopeful(not to mention the only one that doesn't rely on circular logic) and I honestly wouldn't have minded this ending very much. There's sacrifice, there's some ambiguity as to whether Shepard or any of the the characters survive but there's still light at the end of the tunnel, there's no reason the races can't repopulate, rebuild, invent new FTL technology not based on Reaper tech. Hell, someday they might even remake a central Council, make their own Citadel, bigger and better than the last.

But you don't even get this because the Godchild has to mention that "the peace won't last" and "the cycle will continue once organics create AI again". So they close that little gap at the end of the tunnel, there's no hope, no future. All you've done is ruined the galaxy and delayed extinction until AI comes back and the cycle restarts. This is after I freed EDI, let her discover how to be human and brokered peace and cooperation between the Geth and the rest of the galaxy. Everything tells you that AI and organics can co-exist until the very end where the Godchild pisses all over your idealism and efforts in a couple sentences.

This isn't anger because the game didn't end with the universe back to normal and Shepard laughing it up over drinks at the Citadel with all his friends. It's disappointment that no matter when I do, the galaxy is screwed and will be until the heat death of the universe rolls around and nobody even remembers the effort to resist.

Oh, and the epilogue with the stupid grandpa and dumb child remembering Shepard was just terrible and contrived, so Shepard is the new zombie space Jesus for some primitives on a distant planet where space travel is but a fantasy? Yeah, thanks Bioware, real great conclusion(and they had the nerve to mention purchasing more DLC to "continue the legend" at the end, pathetic).

I know this is a long post, but I urge that you read it to perhaps gain insight into the feelings the "whiners" have with the game, if nothing else nobody can say I didn't ground my dislike for the endings in argumentation reason.

Quoted for great justice.

[GodWood]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...
I know this is a long post, but I urge that you read it to perhaps gain insight into the feelings the "whiners" have with regarding the game, if nothing else nobody can say I didn't ground my dislike for the endings in argumentation and reason.

I think you should reread the OP.

There are perfectly sound and logical reasons to dislike the endings. Personally I find the whole set up contrived, the Reapers motivations to be completely illogical and the dialogue with the kid to be underwhelming.

What this thread was in response to was the fact that the majority are criticizing the endings based on the fact that they weren't "happy enough" and then they point out all the faults in its writing. The problem is they're more then content to happily overlook all the other flaws within the story simply because it doesn't affect them negatively. It doesn't hurt their ego.

Meaning they don't really care about the writing but rather having the game beat them off and tell them how awesome they are. The ending put an end to this so now they're complaining.

It's all in the OP.

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

T1l wrote...
People who complain about people complaining are the worst type of people.

I totally support this quote.if you like the ending that's fine,but do NOT insults respectable gamers and lovers of this series to this extreme.This isn't real life,it's a game,at least in a game let us have what WE want,and it's OUR money,if you find worms in your newly bought can of beans I bet you'd report it to the health department.We are doing the same,we don't like something,we're not gonna idly sit by and accept it.OUR hard earned money and time went into this series and the MAJORITY was NOT happy.Or do I need to state this clearer? This isn't communism anymore,people don't like something,they say it,if you like it,good for you,move on and be happy.But actually the majority of us was very disappointed,do not use what you think personally as a fact,or did you not see the hundreds of votes on the polls here? That IS the majority,and the majority is always supposed to be right,you as the minority love it,good for you,but don't dare bash us.How do you expect others to respect you when you voice your opinion in such insulting manner? I have one word for that,TROLL.Excuse us for not being so intelligent and wise as your majesty to not understand such an outstanding ending to such a great series.You must be highly rational and well read to grasp something like this,how could we,the lowlifes that we are,have not been able to see it?

Ok, this is by far the stupidest post in the thread.

How about you actually read what I said.

Modifié par GodWood, 11 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

PrinceofSpades wrote...

GodWood... a PURE Deus Ex Machina! Is a total plot hole! It means the writers wrote themselves into a hole, had no idea how to get out and BAM! Lets literally make a god from the machine(s).... He will sort this **** out!

Its pathetic, and something I would expect from ancient greeks who had no idea where lightning came from.This was a sci-fi trilogy... It 100% should not have ended like this. This is the kind of ending I would expect from a crappy anime! 0% writing talent went into the ending, I am sorry.

Come on. The handwriting was on the wall in ME1. It had a heavy layer of dust on it. By ME2 the dust started getting removed. When you saw the shot of ALL the reapers, when you had the 37 million yr old reaper, you could see the plot corner the trilogy was in. Military victory was impossible. It had been tried how many times before? We don't know. We don't know when the first reapers were made. Some race had to make them as a way of ascension is the way I figure it.

Was there any other way out other than a Deus Ex Machina? At this point, I don't see one.

How many Sci-Fi series end with a DEM?

They made the reapers too powerful. Hence I only see a DEM as a possibility. NOTE: I haven't finished the game. I still see only a DEM as a possibility. I do not see a military victory possible. We need bigger guns. Many bigger guns. Expenses are going to mount, and I don't see enough resources, both in bodies and finances and cooperation to do it.

Then even if there's a stalemate there's the centuries of terror. It took 300 yrs for the Protheans to completely fall. The reapers can outlast us. The writers painted themselves into a corner in ME1 with this one line from Sovereign: "We are legion." Then after we either did the EMP or blew up the CB in ME2 we saw just how legion that is. Too legion. Too advanced.

So it's not a plot hole, but a plot corner. Resistance is futile. Actually there are a few possibilities for different endings, however, but there are some packaging logistical issues: they wouldn't fit on two disks for the 360 console: you'd need 3, or you'd need to supply a code for day 1 DLC (game would cost more which could be problematic).

Either that or you just say quadrilogy.

I know some will say the MP could have been dropped, but it's fun.

[Dark_Caduceus]

@GodWood

I haven't found the level of optimism presented as the main criticism of the endings from other members, would you care to enlighten me?

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

ill say this. just because the game dosent have a happy ending...dosent meen its a bad game or a bad ending

[FrozenDreamfall]

GodWood wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...
I know this is a long post, but I urge that you read it to perhaps gain insight into the feelings the "whiners" have with regarding the game, if nothing else nobody can say I didn't ground my dislike for the endings in argumentation and reason.

I think you should reread the OP.

There are perfectly sound and logical reasons to dislike the endings. Personally I find the whole set up contrived, the Reapers motivations to be completely illogical and the dialogue with the kid to be underwhelming.

What this thread was in response to was the fact that the majority are criticizing the endings based on the fact that they weren't "happy enough" and then they point out all the faults in its writing. The problem is they're more then content to happily overlook all the other flaws within the story simply because it doesn't affect them negatively. It doesn't hurt their ego.

Meaning they don't really care about the writing but rather having the game beat them off and tell them how awesome they are. The ending put an end to this so now they're complaining.

It's all in the OP.

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

T1l wrote...
People who complain about people complaining are the worst type of people.

I totally support this quote.if you like the ending that's fine,but do NOT insults respectable gamers and lovers of this series to this extreme.This isn't real life,it's a game,at least in a game let us have what WE want,and it's OUR money,if you find worms in your newly bought can of beans I bet you'd report it to the health department.We are doing the same,we don't like something,we're not gonna idly sit by and accept it.OUR hard earned money and time went into this series and the MAJORITY was NOT happy.Or do I need to state this clearer? This isn't communism anymore,people don't like something,they say it,if you like it,good for you,move on and be happy.But actually the majority of us was very disappointed,do not use what you think personally as a fact,or did you not see the hundreds of votes on the polls here? That IS the majority,and the majority is always supposed to be right,you as the minority love it,good for you,but don't dare bash us.How do you expect others to respect you when you voice your opinion in such insulting manner? I have one word for that,TROLL.Excuse us for not being so intelligent and wise as your majesty to not understand such an outstanding ending to such a great series.You must be highly rational and well read to grasp something like this,how could we,the lowlifes that we are,have not been able to see it?

Ok, this is by far the stupidest post in the thread.

How about you actually read what I said.

Oh really? I believe your post alone is more ridiculous than any other I have seen on this site.No one insulted you,yet you insult us in the title,that doesn't seem pretty intelligent to me.Again I have nothing against the fact that you love your damn ending,but the MAJORITY hate it,and my point is valid and supported by the majority here.Insult gets you nowhere.I read what you said but I cannot relate.Comparing to other posts in this thread I actually have a point,you don't like something you invested so much in,you complain about it,and we complaing? I think you complain by far way worse than we do.If you would've posted this with a less insulting title,I would have nothing against you or your opinion,with this being said.Those who accept something they do not like and refuse to seek answers,are ignorant.If me and hundreds of others want answers,we make our voices heard.If you liked it,go back and replay it again and waste your money on their precious DLC and don't insult others who just want what they were promised.Your reply to my post,is by far way more "stupid" than you say my post is.

[SolidBeast]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

ill say this. just because the game dosent have a happy ending...dosent meen its a bad game or a bad ending

I'll say this.
1) No one is saying that it's a bad game in its entirety.
2) People aren't complaining that the ending isn't happy, but rather that it doesn't make sense and craps all over the franchise.

[cachx]

 I was going to report this thread, but then I saw the options under "What are you reporting?" and had a good laugh.

Now, back to the popcorn and watching the community go up in flames.

[FrozenDreamfall]

And why "worst kind of people"? Do you actually know any of us who hated the ending? Our lives,our personalities,what we stand for,do you know any of that to make such assumptions? I don't care at this point if your thread made point,the fact that you presented it with such a title and in such manner makes me not have any respect for people like you who judge without knowing.Ignorance to the worst level,and I made my point,to which I firmly stand by,and I will continue to "complain" and demand a better ending to what I've been investing in for years,me and hundreds of others who feel this way and completely ignore closed-minded people like you.With this being said I end my replies to this useless thread.Have fun with your "perfect" ending and your bigot assumptions.

[Dark_Caduceus]

I'm all for argumentation and sharp criticism. Of ideas. I think you really erred with your thread title, invited immediate hostility. There's no need to go generalizing and attacking people. Call their ideas, beliefs, likes and dislikes stupid, inane, absurd, baseless, hell, say they're the "worst kinds of ideas" But I'm fairly certain you're breaking site rules with this thread, not to mention it's quite immature.

Modifié par Dark_Caduceus, 11 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Playing a game where you cannot win: Why?

[SolidBeast]

jreezy wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

ill say this. just because the game dosent have a happy ending...dosent meen its a bad game or a bad ending

I'll say this.
2) People aren't complaining that the ending isn't happy

Yes they are.

No, not the majority.
But even if it were the case, wishing for an additional option in a series that advertises options and choices is in no way a bad thing. Another thing people like to assume is that wishing for happy endings automatically equals wishing for  "sunshine and butterflies", which is either completely ignorant or purposeful flame-bait.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 mars 2012 - 02:01 .

[GodWood]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...
Oh really? I believe your post alone is more ridiculous than any other I have seen on this site.No one insulted you,yet you insult us in the title,that doesn't seem pretty intelligent to me.Again I have nothing against the fact that you love your damn ending,but the MAJORITY hate it,and my point is valid and supported by the majority here.Insult gets you nowhere.I read what you said but I cannot relate.Comparing to other posts in this thread I actually have a point,you don't like something you invested so much in,you complain about it,and we complaing? I think you complain by far way worse than we do.If you would've posted this with a less insulting title,I would have nothing against you or your opinion,with this being said.Those who accept something they do not like and refuse to seek answers,are ignorant.If me and hundreds of others want answers,we make our voices heard.If you liked it,go back and replay it again and waste your money on their precious DLC and don't insult others who just want what they were promised.Your reply to my post,is by far way more "stupid" than you say my post is.

I'm sorry but there's no point in me conversing with you until you read the OP.

FrozenDreamfall wrote...
And why "worst kind of people"?

You'd know if you read the OP.

SolidBeast wrote...
No, not the majority.

Yes the majority.

http://social.biowar...index/9748825/8

[PinkDiamondstl]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

GodWood wrote...

PrinceofSpades wrote...
GodWood... a PURE Deus Ex Machina! Is a total plot hole! It means the writers wrote themselves into a hole, had no idea how to get out and BAM! Lets literally make a god from the machine(s).... He will sort this **** out!

Its pathetic, and something I would expect from ancient greeks who had no idea where lightning came from.This was a sci-fi trilogy... It 100% should not have ended like this. This is the kind of ending I would expect from a crappy anime! 0% writing talent went into the ending, I am sorry.

Criticizing the writing. Well done.

Now so long as you don't chuck a hissy fit because it wasn't "happy/bright/whatever" enough you'll be better then the herd.

My contention with the ending wasn't that it was dark and melancholy, it was that we were continuously told to try and make the right decisions, complete every sidequest and create a force to face the Reapers. When it comes down to it, we have three bleak endings, colour-coded for convenience, which scarcely take into account the actions of the previous installments.



**SPOILERS AHEAD**



The endings rely on one of the worst examples of circular logic I've ever seen. "I created giant sentient warships to extinguish advanced organic life every 50,000 years so that the organic life won't create giant sentient warships to extinguish all advanced organic life.", is essentially what the "logic" boils down to. Then we're given the option to choose between three non-sequitor endings completely out of line with the established mythos and origins of the story:
1. Rewrite the Reapers and show that your efforts against the Illusive Man were misguided, invalidating a great deal of your struggle without so much as a shrug of the shoulders and taking the power out of your hands, Shepard dies. A bleak ending to say the least, not to mention a rather arbitrary and uninspired one, the problem here is that not only is it depressing(which isn't bad in itself) but it makes you feel powerless to save Shepard and villifies the Illusive Man no matter what, there's no sense of accomplishment, not a shred of hope in sight.
2. Synthesis between the synthetic and organic life in the galaxy. First of all, it's plain weird, how does this even work? Mass Effect until this point has been rather grounded in reason, I anticipate the argument that this works because it's science fiction, but it's a weak one. Up until this point every contention involving technology has been based around the Mass Effect phenomenon(it's the title of the series for ****'s sake) but now this? Out of nowhere, really? This represent a massive shift in the theme and atmopshere of the story, not necessarily a bad thing but it is bad when it completely blindsides you with no build up, might as well have added time travel to the story because it would be just as arbitrary. Likewise, does this not just bring full circle what the Catalyst was trying to avoid by using the Reapers? What this seems to imply is a technological singularity, so again, the events of the previous games? Invalidated. We might as well have let the Reapers harvest because eventually it achieves the same goal - the entire galaxy, and maybe even universe consumed and synthesized into perfect organic-synthetic hybrids.
3. Destroy the Reapers, completing your mission. Of course, many of the remaining planets are doomed to a slow death by lack of resources because the relays are gone and Shepard never sees any of his friends again, seperated by distances which can't be traversed without mass relays. This one, I feel, is somehow the most hopeful(not to mention the only one that doesn't rely on circular logic) and I honestly wouldn't have minded this ending very much. There's sacrifice, there's some ambiguity as to whether Shepard or any of the the characters survive but there's still light at the end of the tunnel, there's no reason the races can't repopulate, rebuild, invent new FTL technology not based on Reaper tech. Hell, someday they might even remake a central Council, make their own Citadel, bigger and better than the last, exist in perfect harmony, all the good stuff. So even though it seems dark and dreary, 5000, 10000, 1,000,000 years from the defeat of the Reapers through ahrd work and innovation we could actually have a happy ending, one that is earned, not handed to us.

But you don't even get this because the Godchild has to mention that "the peace won't last" and "the cycle will continue once organics create AI again". So they close that little gap at the end of the tunnel, there's no hope, no future. All you've done is ruined the galaxy and delayed extinction until AI comes back and the cycle restarts. This is after I fred EDI, let her discover how to be human and painstakingly brokered peace and cooperation between the Geth and the rest of the galaxy. Everything tells you that AI and organics can co-exist until the very end where the Godchild pisses all over your idealism and efforts in a couple sentences.

This isn't anger because the game didn't end with the universe back to normal and Shepard laughing it up over drinks at the Citadel with all his friends. It's disappointment that no matter what I do, the galaxy is screwed and will be until the heat death of the universe rolls around and nobody even remembers the effort to resist.

Oh, and the epilogue with the stupid grandpa and dumb child remembering Shepard was just terrible and contrived, so Shepard is the new zombie space Jesus for some primitives on a distant planet where space travel is but a fantasy? Yeah, thanks Bioware, real great conclusion(and they had the nerve to mention purchasing more DLC to "continue the legend" at the end, pathetic).

I know this is a long post, but I urge that you read it to perhaps gain insight into the feelings the "whiners" have with regarding the game, if nothing else nobody can say I didn't ground my dislike for the endings in argumentation and reason.

^
Dead on point . This is how I feel.

[GodWood]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Dead on point . This is how I feel.

If you dislike the ending purely for the crappy writing and NOT because it isn't happy then this thread isn't directed at you.

[SolidBeast]

GodWood wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...
No, not the majority.

Yes the majority.

http://social.biowar...index/9748825/8

a 1% difference in one question, with this being the most voted reason - a. The endings seemed to come out of the blue, with no real connection to what had been established previously.
188 votes (28%)
and an 8% difference in a multiple-choice question, in a poll with only 670 votes is your proof?