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[vigna]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Hell, the ME3 ending makes me want to replay DA2 again!

DA2 is better than ME3...at least it can be replayed, but ME3 is a one-playthrough RPG - never thought I would ever see a RPG that could only be played once.

This sums up everything very easily and to the point. What's the rationale of ever replaying any of the games-- especially with no choose your own flavor as an end game result?

My end game choices are sucks, sucks more, and sucks the most.

[Slappy Ya Face]

vigna wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Hell, the ME3 ending makes me want to replay DA2 again!

DA2 is better than ME3...at least it can be replayed, but ME3 is a one-playthrough RPG - never thought I would ever see a RPG that could only be played once.

This sums up everything very easily and to the point. What's the rationale of ever replaying any of the games-- especially with no choose your own flavor as an end game result?

My end game choices are sucks, sucks more, and sucks the most.

That's certainly another excellent point. I've played dragon age about 10 times now just because the ending is so complex and fun. If you do everything just right, it's perfect.

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 10 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[bro_9009]

What everyone is saying. I loved BW games, starting from KOTOR and Jade Empire, to ME and DA series. There was always a choice for a good end with your character alive. Their games were uplifting and inspiring. And you had a choice at a dark ending too, if you like. ME2 - Shep could bring everyone back alive, himself included, while everyone was saying it was suicide mission. Or DAO - even the ultimate sacrifice ending provided closure with funeral and prologue. And it wasn't depressing and sad, it was inspiring.

What the hell was the point for such an ending, where nothing matters and everything is just so out of series message about hope across all three games? Some say that they like how Shep dies and that this is the only way it should be with this kind of story. How is the Blight from DA is different from a Reaper invasion? Just because Blights were defeated before, and Reapers weren't?

ME was my favorite series, and ME3 just killed it all. I don't think I will be playing future BioWare games if they don't fix this ending.

[Texhnolyze101]

Allison_Lightning wrote...

KOTOR one ,female Revan and when I save Bastila (Jennifer Hale) I will pretend just for a second that she's Shepard.

Or sheps daughter?

[bro_9009]

Varus Torvyn wrote...
DA2 is better than ME3...at least it can be replayed, but ME3 is a
one-playthrough RPG - never thought I would ever see a RPG that could
only be played once.

Same here. Although I liked DA2 story far less than ME3 before its endings, I can replay DA2 no problem. But not ME3. Its endings kinda remind me of Mark of the Assasin end, when Hawk's dialog with Talis at the end results in the same out of place conclusion that doesn't make sense as was the case with Shepard suddenly accepting AI logic (don't want to spoil it for anyone since this is ME story thread, not DA2's. You can probably find info on that in DA2 section).

Modifié par bro_9009, 11 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[Bendok]

I had the exact same feeling. It's been a good 2 years or so since I played DAO and I just remember being happy and satisfied with the end, with the exception of Morrigan leaving me...but then the DLC came and gave me a chance to leave with her. Dunno about DA2, I couldn't even finish that game. :\\

Modifié par Bendok, 11 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[JohnCena94]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

DAO is good for it is the right type of grey and with a possible happy ending. Even within DAO:A, it is not hopeless or emo.

It can be though, and that's the beuty of it. Sometimes I want to see things end badly, and sometimes I want Starwars or LotR.

EXACTLY! Hell my first playthrough I killed of my Warden.  But knowing no matter what the galaxy is screwed is a bummer.  Not to mention the DA ENDING MADE ****ING SENSE

[Sywen]

DR:O Played one where I sacrifice myself, was bittersweet. It was nice seeing my memorial. One where I sacrificed Alistair. It made me sick and something I couldn't never do again. My other 4 I took the dark pact, had my happy ending and was satisfied. Most of the time starting a new game right away.

Almost makes me wanna play it again.

[rpgchick90]

What I love the most about DA:O is the epilogue!! I loved seeing what happened post game!!! I wish ME3 would have at least had that... tell me who survived and what happened with the universe.

[Greed1914]

One of the great things about the end of DAO is that not only do we get some closure on it, but the outcome is truly up to the player. Do you win and save everyone, do you win with some sacrifices, do you win and sacrifice yourself? Those are all up to you. Yeah, one of those options happens to be the happy rainbow ending, but you only get that if you choose it.

[askanec]

I'd say Baldur's Gate 2 was Bioware's crowning jewel. It was just so great. It was a trilogy too. Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2 and the expansion Throne of Bhaal (ToB). The ToB felt kinda lacking though.

Unfortunately, as Atari was awarded the Baldur's Gate license, Bioware was not able to make Baldur's Gate 3. So instead, Bioware made a spiritual successor to the greatness of Baldur's Gate through Dragon Age: Origins. Dragon Age: Origins is certainly very highly recommended. The way the story unfolded, the pacing of events occurring, the distinctive characters, the difficult moral choices all came together very well.

Would people who like ME enjoy Dragon Age: Origins too? Maybe. The story is slower, less action-ey. There's a lot of reading through the lore (kinda like ME Codex). There isn't much voice over. Indeed, the protangonist doesn't speak at all and is really lacking in facial expression. The player has to compensate by imagining how his character would react and say. Some people like that.

[Zulenka]

greengoron89 wrote...

DA:O is Bioware's crowning jewel IMHO. Great story, great characters, great ending. It has flaws, don't get me wrong, but as a whole it's one of the greatest games I've ever played.

Too bad ME3 (and now the ME series as a whole) is such a complete and utter failure - and it's all because of the last 15 minutes. Five years, undone in 15 minutes - it's astonishing, really.

DA:O was their second crowning jewel. The one that set the stage for everything they are was KOTOR.

[askanec]

greengoron89 wrote...

I wouldn't say it's a "happy rainbow ending." Doing the Dark Ritual (required for the "save everyone" ending) is grey at best, and numerous other seemingly small choices can make a heavy impact on the Epilogue.

For example, I'll bet most people weren't expecting Harrowmont to be such a failure as king of Orzammar. Seeing the Epilogue entry for that threw me for a loop, and I've never sided with him since.

Even the "good" epilogue entries can be argued as being "grey" or potentially even bad in the long run. BW was very thorough with DA:O regarding your choices and their effect on the game's ending.

Too bad the ME team didn't take any notes - or is there something they're holding back? I most certainly hope so.

I like the way the dwarven epilogue turn out (and I wouldn't say the choice of the dwarven king was a small choice, since their views on how to bring the dwarven society forward are very different). It goes to show a leader's main job is to get things moving, instead of playing nice. The nicest guy can actually turn out to be the worst leader.

In ME, lots of people chose Anderson to become the councilor for no other reason than they hate Udina and Anderson was a father-figure to Shepard. That was evidently the wrong choice, since we learn in ME3 Anderson wasn't really suited for the job and gave it to Udina. Fortunately, this did not affect ME's story. I'm sure if this choice had affected ME3, there would be no end to the anger.

Modifié par askanec, 11 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[bro_9009]

askanec wrote...

I like the way the dwarven epilogue turn out (and I wouldn't say the choice of the dwarven king was a small choice, since their views on how to bring the dwarven society forward are very different). It goes to show a leader's main job is to get things moving, instead of playing nice. The nicest guy can actually turn out to be the worst leader.

In ME, lots of people chose Anderson to become the councilor for no other reason than they hate Udina and Anderson was a father-figure to Shepard. That was evidently the wrong choice, since we learn in ME3 Anderson wasn't really suited for the job and gave it to Udina. Fortunately, this did not affect ME's story. I'm sure if this choice had affected ME3, there would be no end to the anger.

At the time in ME1 it seemed like the best option IMHO, considerring how backstabing Udina has been while Normandy was impounded. That could have led to Saren's success if it wasn't for Anderson helping Shepard steal Normandy. Besides, you can see how Udina being councilor has turned out in ME3.

[Cosmar]

I liked DA:O's ending because it actually involved real choices that truly affected things. Not just the illusion of choice; actual choices, that you the player got to decide, that led to different outcomes.

And the epilogue was my favorite part. I really wanted to know how my choices and deeds affected people, and what my part members did afterward. That epilogue delivered everything I wanted, and it was just text with some pictures. It didn't have to be a huge expensive cinematic. It did everything I wanted it to so simply. 

KOTOR is another great one. The "big twist" in KOTOR was just great. And the end-game choices were good. Just not sure why that sort of thing couldn't have been done for ME3.

Modifié par Cosmar, 11 mars 2012 - 04:06 .

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I wiped all my DA files, so I may play it again..... that had a legit ending... never did finish Awakenings

[Deemz]

greengoron89 wrote...

DA:O is Bioware's crowning jewel IMHO. Great story, great characters, great ending. It has flaws, don't get me wrong, but as a whole it's one of the greatest games I've ever played.

Too bad ME3 (and now the ME series as a whole) is such a complete and utter failure - and it's all because of the last 15 minutes. Five years, undone in 15 minutes - it's astonishing, really.

It only took 15 minutes because you are limping around.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I've been playing some DA:O recently too. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

[Greed1914]

greengoron89 wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

One of the great things about the end of DAO is that not only do we get some closure on it, but the outcome is truly up to the player. Do you win and save everyone, do you win with some sacrifices, do you win and sacrifice yourself? Those are all up to you. Yeah, one of those options happens to be the happy rainbow ending, but you only get that if you choose it.

I wouldn't say it's a "happy rainbow ending." Doing the Dark Ritual (required for the "save everyone" ending) is grey at best, and numerous other seemingly small choices can make a heavy impact on the Epilogue.

For example, I'll bet most people weren't expecting Harrowmont to be such a failure as king of Orzammar. Seeing the Epilogue entry for that threw me for a loop, and I've never sided with him since.

Even the "good" epilogue entries can be argued as being "grey" or potentially even bad in the long run. BW was very thorough with DA:O regarding your choices and their effect on the game's ending.

Too bad the ME team didn't take any notes - or is there something they're holding back? I most certainly hope so.

True.  Some of the choices in the didn't work out so great in the end.  I was more referring to how you get a finale with your friends and all can live when I said it was happy rainbow. 

[Slappy Ya Face]

Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

I wiped all my DA files, so I may play it again..... that had a legit ending... never did finish Awakenings

Awakening was... Meh. I guess I'm okay with the money I spent on it, at least.

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 11 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[Atlanth]

Yep, DAO all the way!

[Star fury]

DA:O ending maybe a cliche. But it feels great, I'd say satisfactory. Also in Origins your choices really mattered. Your armies that you brought with vast efforts mattered and fought valiantly.
In ME3 all is ruined, your time, your efforts during all three games are just count for nothing.

[gmboy902]

 I would rather have a cliche ending where Shepherd blows up the Reapers with the weapon and comes back down or dies than the garbage of an ending we got.