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[manwiththemachinegun]

I know we're all still processing the ending. But I thought this dev comment gave me a lot of hope for the future of the Mass Effect universe (especially since people are screaming for Dev responses).

This is from the awesome, awesome dude who wrote a lot of Mordin's lines and ME3 sidequests.

Fan Question: A'ight, you don't have to answer this if you don't want too, but is every ending you losing? The one I read was the mass relays being destroyed or somesuch, I didn't dig too deep but it sounded like the reapers got rid of effective FTL travel.

Dev response: That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that the galaxy is free from the specially limited technology that the Reapers have been using to guide evolution from time before memory.

My boss talks about Leningrad after WW2. A whole lotta dead people. A whole lotta buildings knocked down. The war really kicked the crap out of it.

I went to Saint Petersburg (aka Leningrad) back in 2004. It's a gorgeous city full of vibrant people, wonderful art, great food (and sure, crime, pollution, poverty, and all the bad stuff, too). From the end of the war, that's, what, 60 years?

A lot of planets are going to be looking like Leningrad at the end of ME3. That doesn't mean that they lost, and it doesn't mean that they've been destroyed forever.

There is light at the end of the tunnel folks.

Modifié par manwiththemachinegun, 10 mars 2012 - 08:14 .

[HKR148]

Really means absolutely nothing. This isn't Halo, where all that mattered was John-117 fighting for the good of the entire galaxy. This story was about individuals doing what they believed was the right thing to do. The conclusion at the ending completely detrayed this core-element and I will say I am not happy by that, not at all.

[chairslayer]

It still doesn't excuse the ****** poor writing

[ChernenkoYuliya]

Oh, really? And that is the only thing they have to tell? Compare with Leningrad? C`mon.I hope this answer do not mean that there will be no "alternative" ending. Personally, planets in ME3 is more like Stalingrad.

[manwiththemachinegun]

It does answer conserns about "what the heck happened" to Earth and other planets though. They weren't blown up or turned to ash if you did your preparations right. Which is what some people thought what happened.

Shepard broke the Reaper cycle, life goes on. That's a victory.

If people start dev bashing I'm going to be sad.

It was very nice of him to post this information, and he didn't have to.

Modifié par manwiththemachinegun, 10 mars 2012 - 08:17 .

[United_Strafes]

You can find a silver lining in any of the endings, it doesn't excuse the fact that every single decision in 3 games meant nothing.

[revo76]

uhm, we're not talking about planets or cities, we're talking about absurd ending. They're different, none of us is pollyanna here, we're adults who know war costs destruction and deaths. We're more concerned about our character dies in 3 finales, with different colors, in three and normandy is in somewhere for a reason we dont know why.

Finales are not logic, thats why we're complaining.

[manwiththemachinegun]

Not at all, what you pick determines how those societies rebuild. If certain species are alive or dead, and how fast they can rebuild.

Mass Relay technology is bad. ME1 said so (Sovy says we shape your societies by the Citadel/Relays), Legion goes over and over how depending on Reaper tech is bad. The galaxy gets a fresh start.

I know that's not what people want to hear, but it's also true.

[Lparsons7641]

United_Strafes wrote...

You can find a silver lining in any of the endings, it doesn't excuse the fact that every single decision in 3 games meant nothing.

Well they weren't MEANINGLESS.

You got 50 warscore here and there. <_< Oh, 100 for the Rachni!

And ya I wanted a cutscene where we would get to see the Destiny Ascension and some other ships cut a reaper in half. In my mind I guess it happened.

[Gruzmog]

It would haveenough if not for all the crazy plotholes.

Dark ending, fine

Nonsense and things just not making any sense... well yeah :S

[HKR148]

Pay attention to what was going on during the game. Everything Mass Effect layed out ultimately was about the individual story with much larger story at background. Do you expect us to accept that it is acceptable to have individual element to be beaten and rubbed all over the dirt for the sake of everything? Let me tell you, by accounting the stories from the soldiers during WW2, the war wasn't only about the good of everyone else, it was also about themselves and protecting those who they care about.

Unacceptable personal closure, unacceptable plot-holes, unacceptable ending transtion.

Modifié par HKR148, 10 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Makatak]

This isn't about a happy ending. I don't think most of us angry folks are looking for sunshine and roses; that would entirely miss the point. Actually, with the 2-hour London goodbye sequence (good lord, that took more time than the actual fighting), I don't expect a happy ending. We, the angry, I feel, want a well-written ending. Not deus ex machina. Not the kid from the duct in the opening sequence reskinned as some possibly VI/AI/thing still wearing his hoodie. And for the love of God, better voice actors for the post-credits scene.

[kramerfan86]

Except Leningrad wasnt cut off from the rest of the planet/civilization because the only effective means of travel was destroyed.

[Heldenbrand]

The more accurate parallel would be; now imagine after Leningrad has been completely cut off from the rest of the world. Those few people who managed to survive the brutality of the war and its unadulterated destruction now have to somehow scrape together survival without trade, without agriculture (after all, I imagine the fields aren't in good shape, neither is the livestock) and with a population that has been severely depleted.

I imagine at this point many homeworld civilizations no longer depend upon locally grown crops but likely import due to massive urban congestion. The soil is likely in no shape to support growth and the amount of fires have likely polluted the atmospheres severely. Also consider that a majority of all the fleets are now stuck around Earth, very likely straining that one systems resources beyond survival.

Now consider also that the Quarians who fought so hard to get their home and numbers had already suffered extreme losses due to the war with the Geth are now trapped in the Sol system as well, with a smaller segment of their population on Rannoch. Now let's say you took the good ending and all those Geth that were supporting them suddenly are destroyed. All those Geth that were helping them rebuild and repair their immune systems.

Now lets look at the Krogan. They were cured of their genophage, but held together solely by the leadership of Wrex and Eve. Wrex has been trapped on Earth, so now Eve has to hold it together.  Their planet was already devastated by nuclear conflict; I doubt any livestock or crops are going to grow there.  Now look at the fact they are very likely facing a sudden population explosion and have suddently been cut off from the rest of the galaxy.  How long will it take them to turn on them in the same manner that Thane described happening to his own planet?

It's silly writing to expect that; "the war is over, things are rough but life goes on". They're right, life does go on but most of the civilizations would be absolutely ruined for thousands of years to come. Some civilizations may not survive at all.

Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.

Modifié par Heldenbrand, 10 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[manwiththemachinegun]

Shepard survives and so does most of the crew. You get a half hour scene pre final assault where you get to say GOODBYE to all your surviving friends.

That is character focused.

I'm not trying to change people's minds, I'm just pointing out maybe things aren't quite as bleak as they may seem.

Just thought some more info for you would put things in perspective.

If the final battle was all Ewoks and dancing, people would be complaining the Reapers were too "weak" and not a credible threat over the course of thee games.

We broke our arms punching out Cthulu. That's not unreasonable.

Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.

You are completely wrong. All organic life has not been wiped out. The Reapers are dead or pacified. The cycle is broken. The galaxy has a chance to pick its own future free of the Reapers. FTL travel still exists.

This is not opinion, this is a fact. There will be horrible fallout but also a chance to rebuild.

Modifié par manwiththemachinegun, 10 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[Deztyn]

Heldenbrand wrote...

The more accurate parallel would be; now imagine after Leningrad has been completely cut off from the rest of the world. Those few people who managed to survive the brutality of the war and its unadulterated destruction now have to somehow scrape together survival without trade, without agriculture (after all, I imagine the fields aren't in good shape, neither is the livestock) and with a population that has been severely depleted.

I imagine at this point many homeworld civilizations no longer depend upon locally grown crops but likely import due to massive urban congestion. The soil is likely in no shape to support growth and the amount of fires have likely polluted the atmospheres severely. Also consider that a majority of all the fleets are now stuck around Earth, very likely straining that one systems resources beyond survival.

Now consider also that the Quarians who fought so hard to get their home and numbers had already suffered extreme losses due to the war with the Geth are now trapped in the Sol system as well, with a smaller segment of their population on Rannoch. Now let's say you took the good ending and all those Geth that were supporting them suddenly are destroyed. All those Geth that were helping them rebuild and repair their immune systems.

Now lets look at the Krogan. They were cured of their genophage, but held together solely by the leadership of Wrex and Eve. Wrex has been trapped on Earth, so now Eve has to hold it together.  Their planet was already devastated by nuclear conflict; I doubt any livestock or crops are going to grow there.  Now look at the fact they are very likely facing a sudden population explosion and have suddently been cut off from the rest of the galaxy.  How long will it take them to turn on them in the same manner that Thane described happening to his own planet?

It's silly writing to expect that; "the war is over, things are rough but life goes on". They're right, life does go on but most of the civilizations would be absolutely ruined for thousands of years to come. Some civilizations may not survive at all.

Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.

This.

[Rhayth]

Yea' and if their had been a scene post battle where Shep had explained this...and showed people beginning to work together and start fixing things then we wouldn't be here right now.  The point is that we weren't suppose to be confused, and they did a crap job of expecting us to know what they know without telling us.  If life was that simple then misinterpretation wouldn't exist.

[ChernenkoYuliya]

No problem, it is ok that there is "dramatic" ending, but I want also a happy ending. I was sure that there will be one, and this was the reason to buy ME3. I hoped to have a nice romance, kill all Reapers, and live happy. But indtead I was crying for about 2 hours. I understand everything, but it is a game, and even more it is a RPG, let me decide what will happen.

[Superninfreak]

Honestly if the Reapers are dead I don't see the problem with using the Mass Relays, there's no downside to them other than being guided along the paths the Reapers pick. The answer to that isn't to lose effective travel for centuries (since by the time the epilogue happens they still don't have space travel on the level they had in the series).

Besides, we saw the relays exploding so violently that we could see the explosions from a map of the galaxy. I doubt there's really anything left of the races aside from a couple outskirts who were lucky enough to not be in the same system as a relay.

The only real hope in ME3 is that the next cycle won't have to deal with the Reapers. This cycle pretty much had to do a suicide attack to kill them.

[MPSai]

That would be fine if any of this was explored in the least in-game.

[Hurbster]

kramerfan86 wrote...

Except Leningrad wasnt cut off from the rest of the planet/civilization because the only effective means of travel was destroyed.

Exactly. 

[manwiththemachinegun]

I don't see how anyone can claim the Reapers won when you literally shatter their entire species and they cannot make any more of themselves regardless of what ending you pick.

Society is devasted, but the Reapers did not 'win'. They did not accomplish their goals. The galaxy is free.

Besides, we saw the relays exploding so violently that we could see the explosions from a map of the galaxy. I doubt there's really anything left of the races aside from a couple outskirts who were lucky enough to not be in the same system as a relay.

See my first post, it was not dev intention that all life was killed. The Relays did not explode. They were destroyed. Society is rebuilding. The explosions from 'above' the galaxy were just the red wave that shut off the Reapers on Earth.

Modifié par manwiththemachinegun, 10 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[fearan1]

They just need an epilogue that varies by your choices text with back ground photos would be fine as things are there is no resolution. Even terrific dark books and movies do not kill all there main characters off screen if they must die make it mean something.

[BrotherFluffy]

manwiththemachinegun wrote...

 Shepard broke the Reaper cycle, life goes on. That's a victory.

 

Not much of one.  Life would have gone on anyway, remember?  Reapers only harvest ADVANCE civilizations.  Sure, Shepard broke the cycle, but at what cost?  Removing the Mass Relays would have been devastating to a fully functional intergalactic community, now that they've been all severely mauled by the Reapers, they're in even worse trouble now.  And yes, Mass Relays are the tools of the Reapers, but pretty much ALL interstellar tech is Reaper-given.  Mass Effect fields, Eezo cores, FTL drives, were all developed from Protheans, who, presumably, got it from the civilization before them, and so on and so forth.  So to avoid the Reapers from hitting the galactic reset button...Shepard hits the galactic reset button.  Okay, so the cycle is broken, but to me, it's like getting punched in the face and then being told, "Hey, at least I didn't kick you in the quad."