GBGriffin wrote...
It's really an odd move to make, to condition us to care about our squad, who become the closest to us as a PC and a player, and then to say, "They don't matter because the galaxy might be better off and your sacrifice was necessary for them."
I don't care about the millions, billions, trillions, whatever number of faceless characters in the galaxy I saved. I care about the outcome of the small group of lovable characters I've been leading for 3 games.
manwiththemachinegun wrote...
The problem with this line of logic is that the universe is set up to make the same mistakes again generations in the future. Eventually civilization will recreate mass relays, etc, and the reaper cycle can eventually start anew (with the possible exception of one ending choice with its own flaws).
Only if you believe people never learn from mistakes. What Shepard says to the catalyst at the end is, "no, it's NOT inevitable."
This wasn't a conventional war, Shepard says this. This is a war about survival. You broke your arm punching out cosmic gods. It's not fun. We're shown in the good endings life on Earth does survive. Do people even realize the difference between a 'dark age' and losing Mass Effect technology is?
Humans aren't going back to living in caves. FTL travel still likely works. It may take generations but society will rebuild.
manwiththemachinegun wrote...
Shepard survives and so does most of the crew. You get a half hour scene pre final assault where you get to say GOODBYE to all your surviving friends.
That is character focused.
I'm not trying to change people's minds, I'm just pointing out maybe things aren't quite as bleak as they may seem.
Just thought some more info for you would put things in perspective.
If the final battle was all Ewoks and dancing, people would be complaining the Reapers were too "weak" and not a credible threat over the course of thee games.
We broke our arms punching out Cthulu. That's not unreasonable.Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.
You are completely wrong. All organic life has not been wiped out. The Reapers are dead or pacified. The cycle is broken. The galaxy has a chance to pick its own future free of the Reapers. FTL travel still exists.
This is not opinion, this is a fact. There will be horrible fallout but also a chance to rebuild.
Truth.Heldenbrand wrote...
The more accurate parallel would be; now imagine after Leningrad has been completely cut off from the rest of the world. Those few people who managed to survive the brutality of the war and its unadulterated destruction now have to somehow scrape together survival without trade, without agriculture (after all, I imagine the fields aren't in good shape, neither is the livestock) and with a population that has been severely depleted.
I imagine at this point many homeworld civilizations no longer depend upon locally grown crops but likely import due to massive urban congestion. The soil is likely in no shape to support growth and the amount of fires have likely polluted the atmospheres severely. Also consider that a majority of all the fleets are now stuck around Earth, very likely straining that one systems resources beyond survival.
Now consider also that the Quarians who fought so hard to get their home and numbers had already suffered extreme losses due to the war with the Geth are now trapped in the Sol system as well, with a smaller segment of their population on Rannoch. Now let's say you took the good ending and all those Geth that were supporting them suddenly are destroyed. All those Geth that were helping them rebuild and repair their immune systems.
Now lets look at the Krogan. They were cured of their genophage, but held together solely by the leadership of Wrex and Eve. Wrex has been trapped on Earth, so now Eve has to hold it together. Their planet was already devastated by nuclear conflict; I doubt any livestock or crops are going to grow there. Now look at the fact they are very likely facing a sudden population explosion and have suddently been cut off from the rest of the galaxy. How long will it take them to turn on them in the same manner that Thane described happening to his own planet?
It's silly writing to expect that; "the war is over, things are rough but life goes on". They're right, life does go on but most of the civilizations would be absolutely ruined for thousands of years to come. Some civilizations may not survive at all.
Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.
Modifié par Muezick, 10 mars 2012 - 09:03 .
Slappy Ya Face wrote...
I don't care about earth, the quarians, the geth, the turians or even the krogan. Unite shepard with the squad and I'll walk away a satisfied fan.
MPSai wrote...
That would be fine if any of this was explored in the least in-game.
Paxcorpus wrote...
What this guy said. There is too much of a hive-mind mentallity going on here. Just because movies always give you 100% happy endings doesn't mean a story as a great as Mass Effect will. The only thing I agree with in any of these discussions is that the Normandy crash scene was a little confusing, but aside from that it all makes sense.
Your decisions DID matter. Why do you think you deserve 57 different endings for every little detail you changed? You saw the effect of your choices THROUGHOUT EACH GAME.
No, you don't get to build a home with Tali or whoever you chose - you fought a damn war against almost invincible machines and had to use an alien super-weapon to stop them. IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT HAPPY.
Stop whining. Cool off. Walk outside, take a breath of fresh air and reflect on the story you've experienced and the characters you've learned to love. It's not totally over, anyway. Just Shepard.
Captain_Obvious wrote...
You know, no offense to the developers and their honest intentions to provide a good game, but if we have to rant and rave and complain to get someone to explain the ending to us, then obviously they did the ending wrong. This isn't about resolving a philosophical difference with the developers or writers, it's about playing a game where the ending was so completely out of left field that you require additional resources independent of the game to make sense of it.
It's about an ending that breaks the continuity of the series themes so badly as to be jarring and confusing rather than an unexpected plot twist.
It's about perception that making significant decisions have been rendered insignificant.
It's about ending a trilogy without ending it, and it's about creating questions where there should have been answers.
ME3 was a fantastic game with the worst ending I've ever played, bar none. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel, and no amount of trying to explain the ending in a forum is going to change that for me.
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Tartilus wrote...
Paxcorpus wrote...
What this guy said. There is too much of a hive-mind mentallity going on here. Just because movies always give you 100% happy endings doesn't mean a story as a great as Mass Effect will. The only thing I agree with in any of these discussions is that the Normandy crash scene was a little confusing, but aside from that it all makes sense.
Your decisions DID matter. Why do you think you deserve 57 different endings for every little detail you changed? You saw the effect of your choices THROUGHOUT EACH GAME.
No, you don't get to build a home with Tali or whoever you chose - you fought a damn war against almost invincible machines and had to use an alien super-weapon to stop them. IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT HAPPY.
Stop whining. Cool off. Walk outside, take a breath of fresh air and reflect on the story you've experienced and the characters you've learned to love. It's not totally over, anyway. Just Shepard.
It must be very reassuring knowing that your opinions are always the reasonable ones and everyone who disagrees with you is just 'whining.' I'm sure that'll get you far.
Paxcorpus wrote...
Tartilus wrote...
Paxcorpus wrote...
What this guy said. There is too much of a hive-mind mentallity going on here. Just because movies always give you 100% happy endings doesn't mean a story as a great as Mass Effect will. The only thing I agree with in any of these discussions is that the Normandy crash scene was a little confusing, but aside from that it all makes sense.
Your decisions DID matter. Why do you think you deserve 57 different endings for every little detail you changed? You saw the effect of your choices THROUGHOUT EACH GAME.
No, you don't get to build a home with Tali or whoever you chose - you fought a damn war against almost invincible machines and had to use an alien super-weapon to stop them. IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT HAPPY.
Stop whining. Cool off. Walk outside, take a breath of fresh air and reflect on the story you've experienced and the characters you've learned to love. It's not totally over, anyway. Just Shepard.
It must be very reassuring knowing that your opinions are always the reasonable ones and everyone who disagrees with you is just 'whining.' I'm sure that'll get you far.
That's the way it looks. You don't get the present you want for christmas so you stand around and stomp, cross your arms and make mean faces until your parents do something about it. Except this is a mob of kids on christmas morning and they're all feeding off of each other like this is 4chan or something.
Modifié par Kloborgg711, 10 mars 2012 - 09:21 .
Paxcorpus wrote...
That's the way it looks. You don't get the present you want for christmas so you stand around and stomp, cross your arms and make mean faces until your parents do something about it. Except this is a mob of kids on christmas morning and they're all feeding off of each other like this is 4chan or something.
Modifié par Deztyn, 10 mars 2012 - 09:26 .
I call bull****, the galaxy cannot make them yet so many people will die waiting for supplies, not to mention he completly ignores that the mass relays should kill everyone. Oh and the qurians, krogan, turians and everyone else will be stuck on Earth. With out Shepard one could assume a massive war would break out for what few resources remained. Before anyone says a damn thing about myassumption read the dev's responce and you can see how he assumed as well.manwiththemachinegun wrote...
I know we're all still processing the ending. But I thought this dev comment gave me a lot of hope for the future of the Mass Effect universe (especially since people are screaming for Dev responses).
This is from the awesome, awesome dude who wrote a lot of Mordin's lines and ME3 sidequests.
Fan Question: A'ight, you don't have to answer this if you don't want too, but is every ending you losing? The one I read was the mass relays being destroyed or somesuch, I didn't dig too deep but it sounded like the reapers got rid of effective FTL travel.
Dev response: That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that the galaxy is free from the specially limited technology that the Reapers have been using to guide evolution from time before memory.
My boss talks about Leningrad after WW2. A whole lotta dead people. A whole lotta buildings knocked down. The war really kicked the crap out of it.
I went to Saint Petersburg (aka Leningrad) back in 2004. It's a gorgeous city full of vibrant people, wonderful art, great food (and sure, crime, pollution, poverty, and all the bad stuff, too). From the end of the war, that's, what, 60 years?
A lot of planets are going to be looking like Leningrad at the end of ME3. That doesn't mean that they lost, and it doesn't mean that they've been destroyed forever.
There is light at the end of the tunnel folks.
Modifié par JohnCena94, 10 mars 2012 - 09:32 .
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