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[Deihjan]

I just finished the game. I didn't want any of the endings. At all.
I went with the middle road, because I felt it was more true to my FemShep and her actions than anything.

I've been playing the same character pretty much since I bought the first game, an Earth born, Ruthless Renegade vanguard, fiery red head with a fierce temper. My Shepard has always been, more or less, a reflection of myself, and she wouldn't have sacrificed herself or any of her crew for the reaper thread to be wiped out (because making others unhappy to make ends meet, after seeing the turmoil Shepard went through as the reapers wrought havoc across the galaxy and she could do NOTHING to stop the slaughter would have been out of character for her.
After the defeat at Thessia, the Illusive Man basically having stabbed her in the back since the very first game and her one true love Kaidan Alenko not trusting her since Horizon, my Shepard was about to break down).
I felt myself slip, my Shepard unable to end the reaper threat without sacrifices beyond her own means.

As much as I love Bioware for all of their amazing work, they killed Mass Effect for me. Three choices that did not end the reaper threat and let life go on as it was. I know, rebuilding the universe would probably not be a good selling game, but I would buy it. Heck, I'd even read the book. I wanted, desperately, to let my Shepard finally have her man, settle down and forget about saving the world.
This massive universe that Bioware created, these magnificent characters and the inspiring worlds made me want to write fanfiction, I wanted to keep creating my own personal headcanon and I knew I was going to be disappointed with ME3, but never did I imagine that this epic franchise would leave me feeling so hollow after finishing the game.


If the Mass effect franchise keeps going, I probably won't buy it. Shepard is gone. The sacrifices, even though they only exist in a saved game file, of all the people in the milky way have been completely useless. It doesn't matter any more.


I wish I never had fallen in love with this franchise.

[Kloborgg711]

Alocormin wrote...

We don't get to decide what the ending should be.  Art is not democratic.  If it becomes democratic it becomes generic.

That said... the ending was ultimately a litle too generic :/

Wow! That's news to me! Hold on, let me bring up the ME trailer from 2006..

"This is YOUR adventure, you DECIDE what to do"

I seriously don't see how you can sit there and tell me it's unreasonable to want to decide the outcome of a game based upon the idea of free choice.

[Azreal Inc]

I want a new option in ME1 now. At the beginning with Anderson and Nihlus talking, I want an option. "I saw the future. Eff it. Let's get some tacos." Game over.

[Bellendaine]

manwiththemachinegun wrote...

I know we're all still processing the ending. But I thought this dev comment gave me a lot of hope for the future of the Mass Effect universe (especially since people are screaming for Dev responses).

This is from the awesome, awesome dude who wrote a lot of Mordin's lines and ME3 sidequests.

Fan Question: A'ight, you don't have to answer this if you don't want too, but is every ending you losing? The one I read was the mass relays being destroyed or somesuch, I didn't dig too deep but it sounded like the reapers got rid of effective FTL travel.

Dev response: That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that the galaxy is free from the specially limited technology that the Reapers have been using to guide evolution from time before memory.

My boss talks about Leningrad after WW2. A whole lotta dead people. A whole lotta buildings knocked down. The war really kicked the crap out of it.

I went to Saint Petersburg (aka Leningrad) back in 2004. It's a gorgeous city full of vibrant people, wonderful art, great food (and sure, crime, pollution, poverty, and all the bad stuff, too). From the end of the war, that's, what, 60 years?

A lot of planets are going to be looking like Leningrad at the end of ME3. That doesn't mean that they lost, and it doesn't mean that they've been destroyed forever.

There is light at the end of the tunnel folks.

Yah, that's no comfort or light for the utter boning they gave to a large group of their fanbase, sorry ...

[Darth Spike]

I copletly agree with you guys. We (the fans) have put so much of our time and energy into this game, this story onloy to get screwed over in the end. I was playing for the rest of the galaxy but i ws also playing because like wvwryone else, i wanted to see what happened to shepard. I want to see what happens to all the people I've come to know and care about in all 3 games. I don't want some stupid 5 second clip saying they're stuck on a new world with no means of travel or comunication.

[Aanlen]

raeting wrote...

Be careful about assumptions on the ability of planets to rebuild. Even without FTL travel the galaxy could recover. If conventional FTL travel (no relays, but ships still work fine), then it is even easier.

So, lets assume, for a moment, that FTL travel is gone entirely.

The damage done during the attack? Well, most every major metropolitan area is flattened. Or, at least looks like it suffered a nasy carbet-bombing. Remember what Anderson said, though. The Reapers were after the major metropolitan areas. Not the countryside. The resistance held out for a long time -- even traveled across an ocean to make it to London. Reapers aren't everywhere.

So, the Earth was overwhelmed by reapers, but not blanketed by them. A lot of people died. But not all of them. Large portions of rural areas, even farmland, likely remained relatively untouched. Shepard only gave them a few months to try and wipe out 57 million square miles of land. The Reapers are strong, but given that they split their effort around most of the galaxy, a good portion of those 57 million square miles is just fine. We are talking about hundreds, maybe low-thousands, of reaper ships. Not millions.

Furthermore, the amount of non-perishable food stored around the world, even today, is far more than you might imagine. It takes time for cereal, canned goods, rice, and so on to make it to your local grocery store. Until then, it sits in a warehouse. Given that the Earth is now supporting a much smaller population, those stores could last a while on their own. Plus what you can scavenge from the cities. Assuming, as well, the oceans aren't overfished by then, a huge source of relatively easy to capture protein is available.

So, yeah, food is an issue, but we aren't looking at mass starvation.

Now, there's good reason to think every space-faring ship was knocked out of orbit. Less reason to think, however, that all technology is gone. Humans have a great deal of shuttles, fighters, and other small ships as logisitical support. Plus, a huge workforce of civilians eager to see some sense of normalcy return to their lives. 

All in all, Earth has a good chance to do just fine. It has plenty of farmland to sustain itself -- even with all the aliens. I would be deeply surprised if any krogan females are even on earth, so overpopulation there is probably not a problem.

Just a matter of humans picking themselves up and getting to work. Even with AIs wiped out, it looks like most technology survives, so the re-establishment of a central government shouldn't be a problem. Especially if that government is the one that kicked the reapers out. Stand up, rebuild, get things back to normal, and move on. May take a couple hundred years before Earth is gleaming again, but it will get there. Some cities may remain rubble for a long time, even be abandoned, but not all of them.

There are a few planets, Noveria, for example, that do not have arable land. Those people will starve. But, Earth, Eden Prime, Horizon, and so on should all be just fine. Along with all the homeworlds of the major races and some of their primary colonies. All you need is enough arable land to farm, and some food supplies to last you a couple years and make up for farming shortfalls. Difficult, but not impossible.

The one race I'd put in dire straits is the Quarians. Their liveships took part in the battle. Hopefully they kept enough in reserve to feed their people on Rannoch (assuming they weren't outright destroyed by the mass relays). Otherwise, the Quarians will have to figure out farming very, very quickly.

So, yeah, I can see the galaxy becoming little pockets of rebuilt civilization relatively quickly. The absence of FTL just means it may be a very, very long time before trade between planets resume. 

If FTL is available, then it becomes even easier. Take a cruiser, fill it with fuel, now you can run limited supplies and information between the races. Doing so will speed recovery significantly. Someone will figure out there's money to be made in making FTL travel more reasonable. It'll happen and the galaxy will get back to business.

But all of this is disproved by that Kid and that Grandpa having that discussion far in the future (I assume it is in the future, at least..). The kid clearly asks if they will ever take to the stars. Soo.... No spaceflight then. And no communicatino between humans and aliens at least. So the galaxy doesn't get back to business, howevermuch I want it to.. I wish they hadn't had that segment at the end with the Stargazers. I want to believe in this.

[Der Estr Bune]

I really do appreciate the devs taking the time to respond to the outcry, honestly. It's not something this person had to do, so it's nice to see that s/he is. But I agree with what a lot of others have said: In a series that is based around Shepard and your team, how do you give us an ending that ignores both of those things?

I don't believe that the galaxy was destroyed, but I do think it seems like there was so little time thinking about the implications of the whole thing that it's REALLY frustrating. I mean, it's not like many of the complaints about the ending are about some very drawn-out and deeply circumstantial theories: they're things that slap you in the face on your first watch. And the fact that all 3 endings seem slapped together at the last minute is ridiculous. I mean, we couldn't even get 3 endings: we got 1, with a color swap. What is the deal with that?

[Darth Spike]

sorry about the bad spelling guys. I guess im typing too fast for the keyboard to register some of the keys.

[mordy_was_here]

Honestly, if Shepard just got stranded with the rest of his/her crew, I wouldn't be half as disappointed as I am. Right, short post. Just throwing my opinion out there.

[AriasImmortal]

I thought the ending was pretty unsatisfactory.

Why the hell is the Normandy even using a relay? Why isn't it still involved in the battle around Earth? And then it just goes and gets stuck on some random planet where the entire crew is likely to die due to having no supplies?

The vast majority of the galaxies fleets are now stuck in the Sol system as well, and with no really feasible way to leave since the mass relays are gone.

However, the only thing I can think of is that from the ending cinematic if you chose to destroy the reapers, they don't actually blow up, they just sort of fall over dead. Conceivably that would allow them to be studied and perhaps new relays made.

Also, with the "shepard alive" ending it looks like Shepard wakes up on Earth, but again the Normandy and the entire crew are on a completely different planet probably thousands of light years away. What?

[Tony208]

I like his explanation but it's still not the same. Yeah the Russians lost buildings and cities but they could still rebuild, they have the knowledge to do so.

A lot of the things in the Mass Effect universe that they are heavily dependent on (mass relays) has been wiped out. Think about our world and what would happen if we lost a lot of the technology and we couldn't replace it. What isn't run by computers these days? Yeah, it'll look like some post apocalyptic world.

What the ending means for many people is that the future is brighter for anyone left standing tens of thousands of years in to the future. But for everyone else, they're completely screwed.

Modifié par Tony208, 10 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[DarkSpider88]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Rhayth wrote...

Yea' and if their had been a scene post battle where Shep had explained this...and showed people beginning to work together and start fixing things then we wouldn't be here right now.  The point is that we weren't suppose to be confused, and they did a crap job of expecting us to know what they know without telling us.  If life was that simple then misinterpretation wouldn't exist.

This.

It's nice the devs are starting to comment, but really there's no reason we couldn't be shown this in the end, along with what happens to our squadmates or Shepard if he lives.

A soldier doesn't fight and bleed for ideals, he fights for his brother next to him. You did an excellent job bringing us down into the trenches, Bioware, but then you ended it... somewhere else... sort of... in... a.... confused and muddled way....

This is how I feel, yeah we were fighting for the galaxy but the relationships with our friends are just as important.

[Luvinn]

Heldenbrand wrote...

The more accurate parallel would be; now imagine after Leningrad has been completely cut off from the rest of the world. Those few people who managed to survive the brutality of the war and its unadulterated destruction now have to somehow scrape together survival without trade, without agriculture (after all, I imagine the fields aren't in good shape, neither is the livestock) and with a population that has been severely depleted.

I imagine at this point many homeworld civilizations no longer depend upon locally grown crops but likely import due to massive urban congestion. The soil is likely in no shape to support growth and the amount of fires have likely polluted the atmospheres severely. Also consider that a majority of all the fleets are now stuck around Earth, very likely straining that one systems resources beyond survival.

Now consider also that the Quarians who fought so hard to get their home and numbers had already suffered extreme losses due to the war with the Geth are now trapped in the Sol system as well, with a smaller segment of their population on Rannoch. Now let's say you took the good ending and all those Geth that were supporting them suddenly are destroyed. All those Geth that were helping them rebuild and repair their immune systems.

Now lets look at the Krogan. They were cured of their genophage, but held together solely by the leadership of Wrex and Eve. Wrex has been trapped on Earth, so now Eve has to hold it together.  Their planet was already devastated by nuclear conflict; I doubt any livestock or crops are going to grow there.  Now look at the fact they are very likely facing a sudden population explosion and have suddently been cut off from the rest of the galaxy.  How long will it take them to turn on them in the same manner that Thane described happening to his own planet?

It's silly writing to expect that; "the war is over, things are rough but life goes on". They're right, life does go on but most of the civilizations would be absolutely ruined for thousands of years to come. Some civilizations may not survive at all.

Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.

Pretty much exactly what i was going to type, so ill just leave this here instead!

Azreal Inc wrote...

I want a new option in ME1 now. At the
beginning with Anderson and Nihlus talking, I want an option. "I saw
the future. Eff it. Let's get some tacos." Game over.

I would have just had sex with Morinth and said 'screw it'....literally.

Modifié par Luvinn, 10 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[ichobi]

Sureeee.... Still doesn't explain why the whole galaxy has to stuck in Earth orbit... That's absolutely lame if you ask me.

[malkuth74]

If it ended like this.

All same things happened..... Blah blah blah totally alright in my book. Shepard dies.  Expected it....

The breaking point for me is why the hell is the normandy flying in mass space with my whole squad that we just charged the transport with flying away from earth, the battle, and taking a fracking joyride for?

WTF?  Makes no sense. 

And the smaller point.  Is why is mass effect endings nothing more then a color choice?  Red, blue or green.. WTF?

[Greed1914]

United_Strafes wrote...

You can find a silver lining in any of the endings, it doesn't excuse the fact that every single decision in 3 games meant nothing.

Exactly.  People's problems with the endings don't have much to do with how can the galaxy rebuild.  This is a decent question, but not an overly important one.  The problem is that what we see both doesn't make sense (Why is the Normandy leaving the battle) and also that there is no closure and choices don't influence the end (I'm really glad I helped return Rannoch to the Quarians to that the Migrant fleet could be stuck in the Sol system and Tali is quite literally stranded on another world.)

[MPSai]

kramerfan86 wrote...

The more I think about this the more it makes me angry.  We are really supposed to celebrate the destruction of the one positive thing the reapers left the galaxy?  Especially after we spent so much effort to save glactic society?  Please, in the dumb "stargazer" epilogue its clear that even after such a long period of time has passed that Shepard is a mere legend and not history that society still hasnt regained an interstellar level of technology.  That sucks, that isnt joyful rebuilding like Leningrad.

That coupled with the Normandy crew emerging in a lush, untouched jungle makes me think the whole ending has a really odd anti-technology bent. The lesson of Mass Effect should never be anything even approaching "science goes too far". 

[tuzem2]

Yeah, I feel kind of stupid wanting a different ending knowing that basically if this ending were to be created it would in fact be the second, not-real ending.

On the other hand, these three endings are so awful... well not awful but I can't get closure and feel like I lost something

[Patriota125]

Heldenbrand wrote...


Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.

Cant believe how stupid can people be.

No, the goal of the Reapers wasnt achieved, they failed, because they couldnt take out the entire galaxy and their mass relays were destroyed. So, next civilizations in the next thousands of years will be free of them and will be able to advance further.

[Evil_medved]

I say Reapers can have the damn galaxy, it populated by by ***holes anyway, gimme back my team ya bastards.

[Kloborgg711]

Patriota125 wrote...

Heldenbrand wrote...


Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.

Cant believe how stupid can people be.

No, the goal of the Reapers wasnt achieved, they failed, because they couldnt take out the entire galaxy and their mass relays were destroyed. So, next civilizations in the next thousands of years will be free of them and will be able to advance further.

Except I don't give a flying frik about the future races in the next thousand years. I wanted to save MY cycle. That's what almost everyone wanted.

[Patriota125]

ApplesauceBandit wrote...

So basically i don't get to be with my LI? and my crew. cause thats really all i cared about. I'm pissed. I couldn't give a crap less about the rest of the galaxy,

You did wrong. Crealy Mass Effect wasnt for you in the first place. Go back to watch your anime. In Mass Effect they always made clear the Reapers were an almost impossible threat, no one believed him, and they always made clear the objective of the main series, was to destroy the reapers, not get laid.

So go back to your anime.

[panamakira]

kramerfan86 wrote...

Except Leningrad wasnt cut off from the rest of the planet/civilization because the only effective means of travel was destroyed.

PRETTY MUCH THIS. You could still get a car or even a frickin' horse and you can travel mostly anywhere in the world post WW2. We are still connected. What they did in Mass Effect 3 was NUKE everything that made the universe awesome in the first place and if the relays had to go they never gave you an option to replace it with another techonology. Colonies will die....we will never know what happened to the rest of the planets.....Don't even get me started on Shep and crew, who got the worst end of the stick for absolutely nothing. Shep didn't accomplish anything.

Everything is just a damn mess and they were supposed to "answer all our questions" by the end of the game.

Yeah no.

Modifié par panamakira, 10 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Kloborgg711]

Patriota125 wrote...

ApplesauceBandit wrote...

So basically i don't get to be with my LI? and my crew. cause thats really all i cared about. I'm pissed. I couldn't give a crap less about the rest of the galaxy,

You did wrong. Crealy Mass Effect wasnt for you in the first place. Go back to watch your anime. In Mass Effect they always made clear the Reapers were an almost impossible threat, no one believed him, and they always made clear the objective of the main series, was to destroy the reapers, not get laid.

So go back to your anime.

Oh, great, 99.9% of the fanbase played Mass Effect for the wrong reason. And no, getting into a romance is not about "getting laid". We already did that, so by that logic we should be happy. 

[Legendaryred]

I don't know how society is rebuilding, pretty much all quarians are on earth so are the geth and all the turian fleet, most male krogans are on earth too. Them plot holes i tell ya.