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[Patriota125]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Except I don't give a flying frik about the future races in the next thousand years. I wanted to save MY cycle. That's what almost everyone wanted.

Then you are all wrong. That's what the Protheans did in the first place, thats a battle than cant be won without making huge sacrifices. So, to save upcoming cycles that had to be done. Its an realistic ending. I'm glad Bioware made this move and not the anime/twilight kind of sunshine and bunnies ending, that way they'll make true mature adult fans will enjoy it rather than bashing it.

[Legendaryred]

Dark Energy ending was better, don't know how these crap endings replaced it.

[Zofiya]

manwiththemachinegun wrote...

This wasn't a conventional war, Shepard says this. This is a war about survival. You broke your arm punching out cosmic gods. It's not fun. We're shown in the good endings life on Earth does survive. Do people even realize the difference between a 'dark age' and losing Mass Effect technology is?

Humans aren't going back to living in caves. FTL travel still likely works. It may take generations but society will rebuild.

As others have said, given the state of the galaxy at the end of the game, there is little difference between the ending and an ending where the Reapers harvest everyone: people who are still alive are basically SOL, but eventually organic life will rebuild.

Assuming the relay explosions do not destroy their star systems (and there is no reason to assume this given what happens in Arrival), in the Sol system, you have one habitable planet with severely strained resources, which was already struggling to support massive overpopulation; you have a biodiverse fleet with a variety of nutritional and environmental needs that is now stranded in the system (remember that travel across long galactic distances is only feasible with the relays; FTL only enables fast travel between close star systems), with no way to meet those needs (meaning they will starve); you have a massive debris field hanging around Earth that will cause huge problems when it crashes; you have huge numbers of dead and wounded and no real facilities to accomodate them, because most of Earth's urban infrastructure has been destroyed -- and we know the Reapers targeted factories early on, so rebuilding will be difficult without any significant manufacturing capabilities.

The relays have been destroyed, meaning the comm buoy system is no longer functional (as per the Codex, they function by piping lasers through the relays), meaning that communication between distant systems is non-existent. Because of the way the extranet functions, vast amounts of knowledge have been functionally lost. As well, the galactic economy will no longer function, leaving local economies to collapse in the aftermath, without centralized governments to regulate them, because many government leaders are dead, missing, or stranded in Sol. There will be no external support for anyone, no trade, no emergency relief fund, nothing. With resources scarce, territorial disputes will errupt over shelter, land, food, even clean water -- and that is before luxuries like fuel and mineral wealth -- because it is too much to hope that everyone will suddenly get along just because the Reapers are gone; Shepard's sacrifice didn't change human nature. These are the kind of conditions that lead to civil unrest, riots, and conventional war -- that is bad news for everyone.

And let's not forget the Gilligan's Island ending for the Normandy crew. Not only do they not have a relay, they don't even have a space-worthy vessel, so they are stranded without FTL, without any infrastructure or agricultural capabilities -- I hope Traynor knows about bamboo technology, because that's their only hope.

In the end, what is the difference between a "good" ending and a "Reapers harvest everyone" ending? Only the knowledge that the Reapers will probably not return -- but that is not a guarantee, because we still don't know who built the Citadel, who built the Guardian AI, or what tragic events precipitated the construction of the Reapers, and therefore there is no reason to assume that someone won't go, "hey, we should build a massive, omniscient AI to help us bring order to our chaotic universe", and start the whole thing over again. So no, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Everything still pretty much sucks, for all the characters that we care about. That's not bittersweet, it's just bitter.

[Patriota125]

Kloborgg711 wrote...
Oh, great, 99.9% of the fanbase played Mass Effect for the wrong reason. And no, getting into a romance is not about "getting laid". We already did that, so by that logic we should be happy. 

That's an exaggerated aproximation, but yes. The objective of the series were to get rid of the Reapers, not boning an fvcking alien.

[shimoyake]

For me, Headshotmaster hit the nail on the head.

I never played Mass Effect to hear 'life sucks and there's nothing you can do about it.' I expected to lose people. Friends, loved ones. I, for a moment, truly believed that the Virmire Survivor was going to die on Mars. When I thought I was going to lose Grunt, I started choking up. I swore to make it mean something.

I wept for nearly 15 minutes when Thane passed. Bittersweet weeping at Mordin. And at Legion. I mean, come on! Everything about the game was EXACTLY what I had been hoping for. Running towards Harbinger, I was more dedicated than ever. My Shep would NOT fail. Not after all this.

And then, the ending... I couldn't plead my case? I kept waiting for the Paragon/Renegade interrupts. 'Look what we've accomplished. Look at the people who sacrificed themselves because they believe. Look at Joker and EDI.' Or maybe, 'Screw you, I'm doing this MY way, just like I always have!'

When those options didn't come... When the credits started rolling... I cried because I felt helpless. And betrayed.

Simply put, Shepard deserves better. And so do we.

Life is hard. I don't exactly have much to look forward to every day. Mass Effect was a ray of hope in the darkness. And, save those last few minutes, hope was had. I smiled more these last few days than I have in... years. Friends and family noticed; that's how wonderful it was.

Now, I'm walking around in a daze. My chest literally aches at what was lost. And I finished the game days ago. While playing, I thought, "I'll never need another game again." After it ended, I think, "I never want to play another game again." It's not worth the heartache. Maybe that pain will fade with time, but... It'll still be there.

I'm part of the group who will not buy another Bioware game again if the endings remain unfixed. I will be quite vocal about my unhappiness and warn friends away in the future. Maybe that's extreme. I looked forward to DA3. I'm one of few people I know who defended the company after DA2. But that's the way I feel. I won't give money to people who betrayed my ability to choose. The hope for ending DLC is the only thing keeping me from selling my lithographs, Shepard hoodie, figures, and so on.

To paraphrase what Joker once said, it doesn't all have to be sunshine and bunnies. But I should have that choice.

[hector7rau]

You are the one who clearly never got ME, it was about saving the "shepards galaxy" no some unkown next civilization people. Shepard never ever admitted the reapers were imposible to beat, he fought against all odds, every single time, to save the people he knew. Not to waste every single alliance in a final decision imposed by a god child who we dont even trust. We knew the illusive man more than that entity. Hell we knew the reapers more than that. That still didn't stop shepard from trying and alternate solution.

[TuringPoint]

aimlessgun wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

We don't get to decide what the ending should be.  Art is not democratic.  If it becomes democratic it becomes generic.

That said... the ending was ultimately a litle too generic :/

Ah, but in ME the idea is not democracy but splintering. Every puts in their opinions, not to come to sort sort of unified consensus, but to create more diversity.

You misunderstood.  I wasn't talking about the story, I was talking about the decision making of what ending there should be.

I know people are just 'offering input', but it's clearly painfully easy to just say 'this is what I want', and then start making demands.

[Patriota125]

hector7rau wrote...

You are the one who clearly never got ME, it was about saving the "shepards galaxy"

No, the series were about a battle against the Reapers. A race that has been around for millions of years destroying every life in it. it wouldnt be realistic to simply destroy every reaper.

[GwynbleiddiuM]

Mass Effect 3′s ending wasn’t as bad as it was inconvenient. I mean you take Shepard through hell in Mass Effect, in ME2 you kill him/her, and then revive him/her only to send him/her to a freaking suicide mission. He/She survives that and then reapers coming back in force to destroy the organic life, for what exactly? So the Organics don’t wipe out Synthetics or vice versa?

How crazy is that? And then when he manages to get to the solution turns out the **** guy, the Semi-Synthetic Hitler was right? Are you freaking kidding me? And I don’t really get why the Mass Relays should be destroyed. The universe is so dependent on intergalactic travels, has it occurred to anyone that there are thousands of colonies in remote locations around the galaxy that their lives are dependent on the imports they get from across the bloody cosmos? What exactly has happened to BioWare writers?

How’s option A differs from option B when in both scenarios Shepard dies, after being through so much $h!t I might add and wont live to see the outcome he/she sacrificed so much for comes to fruition? How’s that even relevant? I bet if Shepard had survived it somehow, she/he would’ve shoot himself/herself in the head after a very long facepalm.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Is there any truth to the alleged "walk away" ending?

[Mhgasa]

Alocormin wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

We don't get to decide what the ending should be.  Art is not democratic.  If it becomes democratic it becomes generic.

That said... the ending was ultimately a litle too generic :/

Ah, but in ME the idea is not democracy but splintering. Every puts in their opinions, not to come to sort sort of unified consensus, but to create more diversity.

You misunderstood.  I wasn't talking about the story, I was talking about the decision making of what ending there should be.

I know people are just 'offering input', but it's clearly painfully easy to just say 'this is what I want', and then start making demands.

Considering that the franchise is known for creating your own adventure there really shouldnt be just one ending, but serveral vastly different ones. On paper the endings seem very different but ingame i cant tell the difference beside the color of the beam

[Patriota125]

Alocormin wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

We don't get to decide what the ending should be.  Art is not democratic.  If it becomes democratic it becomes generic.

That said... the ending was ultimately a litle too generic :/

Ah, but in ME the idea is not democracy but splintering. Every puts in their opinions, not to come to sort sort of unified consensus, but to create more diversity.

You misunderstood.  I wasn't talking about the story, I was talking about the decision making of what ending there should be.

I know people are just 'offering input', but it's clearly painfully easy to just say 'this is what I want', and then start making demands.

Hows it generic? You dont know the meaning of that word clearly.

[TuringPoint]

Legendaryred wrote...

Dark Energy ending was better, don't know how these crap endings replaced it.

From what I've heard about it... you know, I want to hold out for any offical word on that, if there's any possibility of it.  What I've read about that rumor, it sounds like another rumor.   It might be based on fan speculation that was the rage for a while about dark energy.  Unless the dev's were headed towards endings related to dark energy at first and they had a specific idea that worked better than the rumored endings I've heard of... no, I can't imagine it would be better.  Less sentimental maybe, not better.

[Wattoes]

The man vs machines stuff is cheesy, boring and retarded. The dark energy stuff was way better.

Secondly everything involving the normandy in the ending is the stupidest thing ever put in a videogame. Why is it flying away? How are party members that were charging the beam with me on the ship 10 minutes later?

The mass relays being destroyed essentially makes all those relationships, alliances and work you've put into the last 3 games for nothing. Instead of saving the galaxy, you sent it back to the stone age.

Theres more, but those are some of the key points. The bottom line is that no matter what sort of excuse bioware has, the endings are still retarded, and they still sucked and weren't rewarding for fans.

Modifié par Wattoes, 10 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[NicoNicastro]

So I just finished the game and I almost threw up. I guess I wasn't expecting my Shepard to die in the end? I thinks its really sad. I know theres a way to have Shepard live at the end but I'm not even sure how. I thought I was well prepared, guess not.

[Wickwrackscar]

Burnham1 wrote...

His response completely misses the point. We get that the Reapers are gone and the galaxy can begin to rebuild. We don't care.

I remember when Dragon Age II was coming out and there was an uproar about not playing as the Warden. I don't have an exact quote in hand, but I remember them stating Mass Effect was a story about Commander Shepard (which it clearly was) and Dragon Age was a story about the World and not one specific character.

This ending is terrible and heartbreaking because it isn't about Commander Shepard. It is about the Galaxy being saved. I couldn't care less about the Galaxy. I care about Shepard and those close to Shepard. The endings gave us pretty good results to the fate of the galaxy, (not perfect but acceptable). They gave us horrible results about the thing most of us care about, Shepard and his/her crew.

The Galaxy can be rebuilt better than before away from the Reaper's influence. The galaxy gets a happy ending. Shepard doesn't. What I care about doesn't. What (judging by nearly everyone having a similar reaction to me) WE care about doesn't.

That is why the endings sucked. They need to stop trying to convince us the galaxy is in a better state. That isn't the issue.

Good point. That is definitly one reason the ending tastes so bad. In the end Bioware underestimated just how much we fans fell in love with our Shepards, their crew and other characters. Bioware did an amazing job making us care for the characters and with the ending they fail to take that into account. They've become victims of their own strenghts.

[TuringPoint]

Mhgasa wrote...

Considering that the franchise is known for creating your own adventure there really shouldnt be just one ending, but serveral vastly different ones. On paper the endings seem very different but ingame i cant tell the difference beside the color of the beam

This is exactly what I meant by "generic."  Or at least part of what I meant - it wasn't very specific to Mass Effect in some ways.  

Also, the final cinematic, with Grandpa and the Stargazer could've been written for any other sci-fi game or story.  This was nice; but admittedly generic, with not-so-original implications.  

It's worth noting that there are numerous TV shows, movies, games that have 'bad' endings.  Personally I've seen so many I can't bother myself to worry about it too much, if everything leading up to the ending is good I can focus on that.

It's interesting how people describe coping with the ending as trying to figure it out with logic.  Logic is the underpinnings of a good story's continuity, true... but...

To whom it may concern:  Please don't try to provoke me.

Modifié par Alocormin, 10 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[KainrycKarr]

Yea...this isn't the part I take issue with. The blatant plotholes are what I take issue with.

The lack of a real epilogue or explanation of what the hell happened.

Your flashback defaulting to ****ing liara.

Why was the Normandy off by itself by the relay?

How did the squadmates that were with shepard on the final run magically appear on the Normandy?

Why did the kid neglect to mention that the relay energy opens up a ****ing blackhole that will suck things into it and spit them out somewhere else?

WHO THE **** IS THE KID?!

The reapers are just synthetics trying to save organics from being killed by synthetics by....killing organics?

"The shepard" Really, really cheesy.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 10 mars 2012 - 11:04 .

[hector7rau]

Patriota125 wrote...

No, the series were about a battle against the Reapers. A race that has been around for millions of years destroying every life in it. it wouldnt be realistic to simply destroy every reaper.

Oh but that's exactly what happens, you either destroy every single reaper or control them, with some unrealistic space magic solution the child said its the only way to go. When clearly we've been listening to everybody that has said that in previous games. Right?.

[Seanabhainn]

Deztyn wrote...

Heldenbrand wrote...

The more accurate parallel would be; now imagine after Leningrad has been completely cut off from the rest of the world. Those few people who managed to survive the brutality of the war and its unadulterated destruction now have to somehow scrape together survival without trade, without agriculture (after all, I imagine the fields aren't in good shape, neither is the livestock) and with a population that has been severely depleted.

I imagine at this point many homeworld civilizations no longer depend upon locally grown crops but likely import due to massive urban congestion. The soil is likely in no shape to support growth and the amount of fires have likely polluted the atmospheres severely. Also consider that a majority of all the fleets are now stuck around Earth, very likely straining that one systems resources beyond survival.

Now consider also that the Quarians who fought so hard to get their home and numbers had already suffered extreme losses due to the war with the Geth are now trapped in the Sol system as well, with a smaller segment of their population on Rannoch. Now let's say you took the good ending and all those Geth that were supporting them suddenly are destroyed. All those Geth that were helping them rebuild and repair their immune systems.

Now lets look at the Krogan. They were cured of their genophage, but held together solely by the leadership of Wrex and Eve. Wrex has been trapped on Earth, so now Eve has to hold it together.  Their planet was already devastated by nuclear conflict; I doubt any livestock or crops are going to grow there.  Now look at the fact they are very likely facing a sudden population explosion and have suddently been cut off from the rest of the galaxy.  How long will it take them to turn on them in the same manner that Thane described happening to his own planet?

It's silly writing to expect that; "the war is over, things are rough but life goes on". They're right, life does go on but most of the civilizations would be absolutely ruined for thousands of years to come. Some civilizations may not survive at all.

Even in the 'nice' ending the goal of the Reapers has been accomplished. Space faring civilizations have been set back to industrial or pre-industrial levels and many other species may just go extinct.

This.

Seconded.

[sterma]

This is in response to the Dev who commented on the food and culture in lenigrad in 2004.  Do you think that all of the people who died in WW2 care about how good the Borscht is gonna be 80 years in the future?

To quote Dennis Leary on Global warming..."The temperature is gonna change 3 degrees in my lifetime, I won't notice it.  What about my kids?  I'll buy em a sweater.  What about my kids kids kids kids kids?  What about them?  ^&% em, never gonna meet em...."

I don't play a game and say Well at least my crappy ending will make up a good ending 400 years from now...

[KainrycKarr]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

ChernenkoYuliya wrote...

No problem, it is ok that there is "dramatic" ending, but I want also a happy ending. I was sure that there will be one, and this was the reason to buy ME3. I hoped to have a nice romance, kill all Reapers, and live happy. But indtead I was crying for about 2 hours. I understand everything, but it is a game, and even more it is a RPG, let me decide what will happen.

I'm on the same boat as this person.  I believe we should get at least ONE happy ending where the galaxy works together and rebuilds, Shepard kills the Reapers and lives a happy life with his love interest.

This. So much this.