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[utaker1988]

I did start with ME and while I went for Kaidan (most for achievement wise, I really felt no connection to him at all and Liara was just too clingy for my tastes), I did not go into ME2 looking for a new man for Shep. Met Kaidan in Horizon and wasn't even thrilled (thrilled when I ran into Garrus, I was happy, yay!! there's my Shep's brother in arms) and this was before Kaidan opened his mouth. Once he did, I was like, "why did I even bother in ME, IRL this is not the type of person I'd even consider). I let it go, continued on, met TIM again and he sent me off to get a Justicar, an Engineer, and an Assassin. Change discs...lol. I figured I'd go get this assassin since I like assassins (Zevran comes to mind). Thane enters and I'm blown away, in that instant. I think my Shep may have fainted from his pure awesomeness.

I start talking to him and it clicks right there, this is who my Shep has been looking for. He doesn't kiss her ass (like IRL, I have no use for boot lickers), his demeanor, the way he won't let Shep just say anything she wants to him (Shepard, don't insult me, comes to mind), his humor (his is not all out obvious like Joker's but it's there), he will let you know if you have crossed a morality line (shooting Talid), and not once did I ever perceive him as feeling sorry for himself. The obvious click I felt because it resonated with my own personal situation. The romance starts and it's just simply beautiful, I cried in that moment before the Omega 4. I knew that my Shep would never look in another direction.

Out comes ME3...and we get this. Words can't describe how they took something so great and "forgot" about it.

[clonedoriginzero]

well i play as maleshep so i never romanced him. he was more of my shepards friend. personally i thought they did well with thane in this game. i mean, he was supposed to be dead by now, right? i went into ME3 expecting him to already have died.

then i found him in the hospital when i was visiting ashley, then he said he'd protect her and i was impressed that even though he was dying and physically weak he offered to protect someone for me. then the whole cerberus thing and he saved the councilor and pretty much did all sorts of badassery till he got shanked. that was great. then he died in one of the more emotional scenes in the game. koylat saying "the prayer was for you" was a chilling moment.

granted, this is from someone who didn't romance him, but half of his character was about the fact he was terminally ill. im just glad he went out doing something good instead of slowly wasting aw ay on a hospital bed.

[IndigoWolfe]

Squeegee83 wrote...

I am really starting to resent people who didn't romance Thane coming into this
thread and leaving their 2 cents. Unless you picked Thane as your main LI, ya
are not going to fully understand.

So, because I didn't romance Thane, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on him in ME3?

[Cosmochyck]

I think all opinions are welcome Indigo. I believe there was just one post that had a few people upset.

Some of the issues for people was that the differences between "romanced" and "non-romanced" Thane were few and far between.

@clonedoriginzero - The "prayer" was given to every Shep - whether it be romanced, non-romanced, male or female. So for those of us that romanced him, there wasn't really any unique dialogue to indicate that FemShep felt anything special for him.  Bummer for sure.

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 13 mars 2012 - 03:08 .

[thejoyrider]

Long time reader, first time poster. I still do not understand the people chiming in on this thread who are like, "I thought Thane's part in ME3 was cool! He's supposed to die! P.S. I didn't romance him." Just read the points in the very first post on the thread to see why people who went the entire gamut with this character are upset and frustrated. No he was NOT necessarily supposed to die; BW put many hints to suggest otherwise....IF you played your cards right potentially. The people claiming a cure would not have been 'realistic' must be playing a different game than me where their Shepherd didn't have their entire body recreated in a lab from a dead brain kept in tact by a helmet after the rest of their body was blown to smithereens. Or where a centuries long sterilizing plague was cured by one person in 6 months using somebody else's unfinished research that was claimed had YEARS left of work to be done. I mean, let's be real here.

Speaking of Mordin killing the genophage, THAT'S how a meaningful and satisfying death is done. Did I want him to die? Of course not! I'd normally never call the death of a character I enjoy 'satisfying' but I cannot deny that is what this was. I am okay with it because it was treated well and executed well and it presented a full and complete character arc with true closure.

Now I don't think Thane (given you romanced him in ME2 and had his character develop past the 'ready to die' feelings) should have been absolutely destined to die, BUT if he was going to, it could have at least been done well. The Kai Leng fight doesn't cut it for me because of the fact that Thane was sitting around the hospital waiting to die up until that moment, and for a romanced Thane, that is completely OUT of character. Why bother writing the shift and development if you aren't going to bother following through, Bioware writers? Even then, if he was going to have his arc abandoned and be set to die, maybe if the dialog had been up to par for the romance, I would have been fine about it. Like the dying flashback stuff from the leaked script....why that was removed is so far beyond me.

Basically there were so many chances to throw even the slightest crumb towards the Thane romancers that I think would have given us SOMETHING to find contentment with but now all we can do is see every single avenue that was completely bungled.

The lack of achievement is something I personally don't care about, but in the context of everything else it's a slap in the face and the dingleberry cherry on top of the turd cake we've been served.

I'm not an overly avid gamer or your typical gamer, but BW's games have always really spoken to me due to their incredible character development and the element of choice about your in-game paths that they have offered and I've been a loyal customer since KOTOR and ME2 was one of my most favorite games ever. I've never felt let down by a Bioware game until now. The characters took a backseat at the end of a very long bus and the element of choice was all but obliterated much like Shepherd's body in ME2.

Basically it's a real bummer and I'm more disappointed than I ever knew I could be over a game.

Modifié par thejoyrider, 13 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[EvanesceKunoichi]

thejoyrider wrote...

Long time reader, first time poster. I still do not understand the people chiming in on this thread who are like, "I thought Thane's part in ME3 was cool! He's supposed to die! P.S. I didn't romance him." Just read the points in the very first post on the thread to see why people who went the entire gamut with this character are upset and frustrated. No he was NOT necessarily supposed to die; BW put many hints to suggest otherwise....IF you played your cards right potentially. The people claiming a cure would not have been 'realistic' must be playing a different game than me where their Shepherd didn't have their entire body recreated in a lab from a dead brain kept in tact by a helmet after the rest of their body was blown to smithereens. Or where a centuries long sterilizing plague was cured by one person in 6 months using somebody else's unfinished research that was claimed had YEARS left of work to be done. I mean, let's be real here.

Speaking of Mordin killing the genophage, THAT'S how a meaningful and satisfying death is done. Did I want him to die? Of course not! I'd normally never call the death of a character I enjoy 'satisfying' but I cannot deny that is what this was. I am okay with it because it was treated well and executed well and it presented a full and complete character arc with true closure.

Now I don't think Thane (given you romanced him in ME2 and had his character develop past the 'ready to die' feelings) should have been absolutely destined to die, BUT if he was going to, it could have at least been done well. The Kai Leng fight doesn't cut it for me because of the fact that Thane was sitting around the hospital waiting to die up until that moment, and for a romanced Thane, that is completely OUT of character. Why bother writing the shift and development if you aren't going to bother following through, Bioware writers? Even then, if he was going to have his arc abandoned and be set to die, maybe if the dialog had been up to par for the romance, I would have been fine about it. Like the dying flashback stuff from the leaked script....why that was removed is so far beyond me.

Basically there were so many chances to throw even the slightest crumb towards the Thane romancers that I think would have given us SOMETHING to find contentment with but now all we can do is see every single avenue that was completely bungled.

The lack of achievement is something I personally don't care about, but in the context of everything else it's a slap in the face and the dingleberry cherry on top of the turd cake we've been served.

I'm not an overly avid gamer or your typical gamer, but BW's games have always really spoken to me due to their incredible character development and the element of choice about your in-game paths that they have offered and I've been a loyal customer since KOTOR and ME2 was one of my most favorite games ever. I've never felt let down by a Bioware game until now. The characters took a backseat at the end of a very long bus and the element of choice was all but obliterated much like Shepherd's body in ME2.

Basically it's a real bummer and I'm more disappointed than I ever knew I could be over a game.

Exactly!!! I feel the same way, this is the biggest dissapointment I've ever been through in my all my years of gaming, and I've been a gamer for as long as I can remember!

[Miss Krios]

thejoyrider wrote...

Long time reader, first time poster. I still do not understand the people chiming in on this thread who are like, "I thought Thane's part in ME3 was cool! He's supposed to die! P.S. I didn't romance him." Just read the points in the very first post on the thread to see why people who went the entire gamut with this character are upset and frustrated. No he was NOT necessarily supposed to die; BW put many hints to suggest otherwise....IF you played your cards right potentially. The people claiming a cure would not have been 'realistic' must be playing a different game than me where their Shepherd didn't have their entire body recreated in a lab from a dead brain kept in tact by a helmet after the rest of their body was blown to smithereens. Or where a centuries long sterilizing plague was cured by one person in 6 months using somebody else's unfinished research that was claimed had YEARS left of work to be done. I mean, let's be real here.

Speaking of Mordin killing the genophage, THAT'S how a meaningful and satisfying death is done. Did I want him to die? Of course not! I'd normally never call the death of a character I enjoy 'satisfying' but I cannot deny that is what this was. I am okay with it because it was treated well and executed well and it presented a full and complete character arc with true closure.

Now I don't think Thane (given you romanced him in ME2 and had his character develop past the 'ready to die' feelings) should have been absolutely destined to die, BUT if he was going to, it could have at least been done well. The Kai Leng fight doesn't cut it for me because of the fact that Thane was sitting around the hospital waiting to die up until that moment, and for a romanced Thane, that is completely OUT of character. Why bother writing the shift and development if you aren't going to bother following through, Bioware writers? Even then, if he was going to have his arc abandoned and be set to die, maybe if the dialog had been up to par for the romance, I would have been fine about it. Like the dying flashback stuff from the leaked script....why that was removed is so far beyond me.

Basically there were so many chances to throw even the slightest crumb towards the Thane romancers that I think would have given us SOMETHING to find contentment with but now all we can do is see every single avenue that was completely bungled.

The lack of achievement is something I personally don't care about, but in the context of everything else it's a slap in the face and the dingleberry cherry on top of the turd cake we've been served.

I'm not an overly avid gamer or your typical gamer, but BW's games have always really spoken to me due to their incredible character development and the element of choice about your in-game paths that they have offered and I've been a loyal customer since KOTOR and ME2 was one of my most favorite games ever. I've never felt let down by a Bioware game until now. The characters took a backseat at the end of a very long bus and the element of choice was all but obliterated much like Shepherd's body in ME2.

Basically it's a real bummer and I'm more disappointed than I ever knew I could be over a game.

In a point! I subscribe under each word!

[Kaija]

I don't know about anyone else, but I appreciate that people who didn't romance Thane are coming in here to show support for characters and the gamers who romanced them who got poor treatment in ME3. I feel just as bad for people who romanced, for example Jacob. This thread is specific to those who romanced Thane and people have written many detailed, well thought reasons as to their grievances. All of which I think are valid. (And thank you all so much for expressing them so I know my Shep isn't the only one staring at lonely mugs!) The posts that are ignoring the stated reasons for grievances, in here and in other specific threads, are the ones that received a negative response. I support starting of threads of any opinion in the hope that Bioware will listen to it's fans.

[Aeyl]

EvanesceKunoichi wrote...

thejoyrider wrote...
*removed for space preservation*

Exactly!!! I feel the same way, this is the biggest dissapointment I've ever been through in my all my years of gaming, and I've been a gamer for as long as I can remember!

I'm not sure if it is my biggest disappointment, but I understand how you feel. This is the first time that the mere thought of a character makes me feel a bit down in reality.

A friend with whom I spoke (Who has never played Mass Effect), when I told him about all of the foreshadowing indicating Thane might be curable (or at least able to be stabilized), said something along the lines of, "Oh, but that's just good storytelling. They build your anticipation up so that, when he dies, the emotions will be more intense."

I could not agree. It just makes Thane's death seem less meaningful when it was hinted that I'd be able to help him, and then in the actual game he dies without me being able to help him at all (not to mention the fact that his development from ME2 {wanting to live} is also gone.) In the end, ME 3 makes it seem as though I was never able to affect him as a character.

It is a pity, because the only other squadmate (not counting DLC squadmates, seeing as though I didn't buy the ME 2 DLC introducing new squadmates) who will die no matter what is Legion (even Mordin can live, although making that happen would be a difficult venture spanning multiple games), and in both cases his death is a necessity. Thane's death though? Without Keprel's in the way, the wound from Kai Leng wouldn't even have been fatal. So with all of the hinting that Keprel's would be treatable in some way, when that happens in game, it is just disappointing.

[Sarah1281]

No he was NOT necessarily supposed to die; BW put many hints to suggest otherwise....IF you played your cards right potentially. The people claiming a cure would not have been 'realistic' must be playing a different game than me where their Shepherd didn't have their entire body recreated in a lab from a dead brain kept in tact by a helmet after the rest of their body was blown to smithereens. Or where a centuries long sterilizing plague was cured by one person in 6 months using somebody else's unfinished research that was claimed had YEARS left of work to be done. I mean, let's be real here.

I think that he was always supposed to die from his terminal disease but that Bioware, for whatever reason, decided to **** with his fans by dangling a nonexistant cure option in front of them.

As far as "realism" goes, though...Bringing Shepard back cost a ridiculous amount of money and was only done because they needed her. If someone with the Illusive Man's resources needed Thane to live for some reason then it might have been a different story so they didn't and he didn't. Similarly, the genophage had to be cured since that was the only way to get the krogans and turians to work together and there was no pressing galaxy-saving reason for Thane to be saved unless Shepard decided to let the galaxy go to hell if he didn't. Mordin also understand a lot about the genophage since it was undoing itself so he "fixed" it and Maelon seems to have just gotten lucky that one of his extreme experiments paid off. And once one person was cured of the genophage, it was much easier to replicate it than if Eve hadn't been there.

These just as miraculous if not more so medical treatments that were provided successfully while Thane's weren't were also born out of a really dire need which gets more resources and more dedication to the project which, naturally, increases the odds of success.

Of course, it would be nice to know why Thane chose not to get a transplant which was a medical procedure readily available to him.

[JECW]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

I am really starting to resent people who didn't romance Thane coming into this
thread and leaving their 2 cents. Unless you picked Thane as your main LI, ya
are not going to fully understand.

So, because I didn't romance Thane, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on him in ME3?

No one is saying that.

[lyssalu]

Julia_xo wrote...

Guys, I'm crying at the unfairness of it. Just watched romanced Miranda's death scene. It's not even mandatory but is x1000000000 better than Thane's forced death. The romance theme from ME2 plays in the background, M!Shep holds her in his arms and they both get to say they love each other. They even get one final kiss!

WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this should be in here too

OPTIONAL DEATH SCENE IS BETTER THAN UNAVOIDABLE DEATH SCENE WUT WUT

also i'm not sure why the quoting isn't working but let's make this easier on everyone and pretend like it is

edit: nvm the coding for the main forum is different than it is in the groups NOTHING TO SEE HERE

Modifié par lyssalu, 13 mars 2012 - 05:19 .

[JECW]

thejoyrider wrote...

Long time reader, first time poster. I still do not understand the people chiming in on this thread who are like, "I thought Thane's part in ME3 was cool! He's supposed to die! P.S. I didn't romance him." Just read the points in the very first post on the thread to see why people who went the entire gamut with this character are upset and frustrated. No he was NOT necessarily supposed to die; BW put many hints to suggest otherwise....IF you played your cards right potentially. The people claiming a cure would not have been 'realistic' must be playing a different game than me where their Shepherd didn't have their entire body recreated in a lab from a dead brain kept in tact by a helmet after the rest of their body was blown to smithereens. Or where a centuries long sterilizing plague was cured by one person in 6 months using somebody else's unfinished research that was claimed had YEARS left of work to be done. I mean, let's be real here.

Speaking of Mordin killing the genophage, THAT'S how a meaningful and satisfying death is done. Did I want him to die? Of course not! I'd normally never call the death of a character I enjoy 'satisfying' but I cannot deny that is what this was. I am okay with it because it was treated well and executed well and it presented a full and complete character arc with true closure.

Now I don't think Thane (given you romanced him in ME2 and had his character develop past the 'ready to die' feelings) should have been absolutely destined to die, BUT if he was going to, it could have at least been done well. The Kai Leng fight doesn't cut it for me because of the fact that Thane was sitting around the hospital waiting to die up until that moment, and for a romanced Thane, that is completely OUT of character. Why bother writing the shift and development if you aren't going to bother following through, Bioware writers? Even then, if he was going to have his arc abandoned and be set to die, maybe if the dialog had been up to par for the romance, I would have been fine about it. Like the dying flashback stuff from the leaked script....why that was removed is so far beyond me.

Basically there were so many chances to throw even the slightest crumb towards the Thane romancers that I think would have given us SOMETHING to find contentment with but now all we can do is see every single avenue that was completely bungled.

The lack of achievement is something I personally don't care about, but in the context of everything else it's a slap in the face and the dingleberry cherry on top of the turd cake we've been served.

I'm not an overly avid gamer or your typical gamer, but BW's games have always really spoken to me due to their incredible character development and the element of choice about your in-game paths that they have offered and I've been a loyal customer since KOTOR and ME2 was one of my most favorite games ever. I've never felt let down by a Bioware game until now. The characters took a backseat at the end of a very long bus and the element of choice was all but obliterated much like Shepherd's body in ME2.

Basically it's a real bummer and I'm more disappointed than I ever knew I could be over a game.

I completely agree with you.

Modifié par JECW, 13 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[lyssalu]

thejoyrider wrote...
The lack of achievement is something I personally don't care about, but in the context of everything else it's a slap in the face and the dingleberry cherry on top of the turd cake we've been served.

BEST

[Visii]

lyssalu wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

Guys, I'm crying at the unfairness of it. Just watched romanced Miranda's death scene. It's not even mandatory but is x1000000000 better than Thane's forced death. The romance theme from ME2 plays in the background, M!Shep holds her in his arms and they both get to say they love each other. They even get one final kiss!

WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this should be in here too

OPTIONAL DEATH SCENE IS BETTER THAN UNAVOIDABLE DEATH SCENE WUT WUT

... they messed up. Big time.

[JECW]

Visii wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

Guys, I'm crying at the unfairness of it. Just watched romanced Miranda's death scene. It's not even mandatory but is x1000000000 better than Thane's forced death. The romance theme from ME2 plays in the background, M!Shep holds her in his arms and they both get to say they love each other. They even get one final kiss!

WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this should be in here too

OPTIONAL DEATH SCENE IS BETTER THAN UNAVOIDABLE DEATH SCENE WUT WUT

... they messed up. Big time.

Bioware definitely messed things up.

I wonder if anyone mentions MIranda after she dies or is she forgotten like Thane.

Modifié par JECW, 13 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[sheppard7]

I don't mind Thane being dead early. It spared him from the ending.

[lyssalu]

JECW wrote...

Visii wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

Guys, I'm crying at the unfairness of it. Just watched romanced Miranda's death scene. It's not even mandatory but is x1000000000 better than Thane's forced death. The romance theme from ME2 plays in the background, M!Shep holds her in his arms and they both get to say they love each other. They even get one final kiss!

WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this should be in here too

OPTIONAL DEATH SCENE IS BETTER THAN UNAVOIDABLE DEATH SCENE WUT WUT

... they messed up. Big time.

I wonder if anyone mentions MIranda after she dies or is she forgotten like Thane.

this is worth investigating

do players get the paramour achievement even if she dies?

[lyssalu]

sheppard7 wrote...

I don't mind Thane being dead early. It spared him from the ending.

hah, we were joking about that

thane saw the ending and was like

NOPE

PEACIN OUT

BYE

[JECW]

lyssalu wrote...

JECW wrote...

Visii wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

Guys, I'm crying at the unfairness of it. Just watched romanced Miranda's death scene. It's not even mandatory but is x1000000000 better than Thane's forced death. The romance theme from ME2 plays in the background, M!Shep holds her in his arms and they both get to say they love each other. They even get one final kiss!

WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this should be in here too

OPTIONAL DEATH SCENE IS BETTER THAN UNAVOIDABLE DEATH SCENE WUT WUT

... they messed up. Big time.

I wonder if anyone mentions MIranda after she dies or is she forgotten like Thane.

this is worth investigating

do players get the paramour achievement even if she dies?

I wondered about Tali too. If she kills herself do you still get the achievement?

[Sarah1281]

I really do want to discuss Thane's treatment in the game but it's hard to do that when I respond to people and sometimes disagree with them and then get completely ignored every time.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 13 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[EvilChani]

Julia_xo wrote...

Then you get back to the ship and people act like nothing happened. No one mentions him.

You know the other bad part about this? You're supposed to feel like the others - Garrus, Liara, etc. - are your friends and they care about you, yet they can't even mention the guy you were in love with after he just freaking died? It made my Shepard dislike them and distance herself from them. She gave them support when they needed it, but it was emotionless and empty - if they couldn't even acknowledge - and clearly don't care about - the pain that Shepard is obviously suffering at the death of her LI, why should she feel anything for them other than resentment? They're there and Thane isn't, and they don't care if Shepard is suffering. Thane did. 

[thejoyrider]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I really do want to discuss Thane's treatment in the game but it's hard to do that when I respond to people and sometimes disagree with them and then get completely ignored every time.

likely because you clearly have a different opinion that hasn't been changed when others give their reasons so that leaves the conversation at a stalemate and it has become an 'agree to disagree' situation our of respect rather than needlessly arguing which isn't constructive?

[lyssalu]

EvilChani wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

Then you get back to the ship and people act like nothing happened. No one mentions him.

You know the other bad part about this? You're supposed to feel like the others - Garrus, Liara, etc. - are your friends and they care about you, yet they can't even mention the guy you were in love with after he just freaking died? It made my Shepard dislike them and distance herself from them. She gave them support when they needed it, but it was emotionless and empty - if they couldn't even acknowledge - and clearly don't care about - the pain that Shepard is obviously suffering at the death of her LI, why should she feel anything for them other than resentment? They're there and Thane isn't, and they don't care if Shepard is suffering. Thane did. 

it's less a character thing and more a BIOWARE DONT CUUUUR thing, but yeah, i get how ****ty game mechanics can effect immersion and role playing

[Visii]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I really do want to discuss Thane's treatment in the game but it's hard to do that when I respond to people and sometimes disagree with them and then get completely ignored every time.

A lot of people had been posting, things just get lost.

The way I see it, there's no reason why Thane's cure couldn't have happened. There was already one in the works. The Hanar were working on it; Thane just didn't expect to live long enough to benefit from it. And then on top of that, the mention that he was a transplant candidate, and the whole medigel for the lungs thing...

Both areas were set for saving Thane; either curing him outright, speeding up the process, or simply extending his life so that when the cure became available, he would be able to get it. And yet...