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I actually think the scene with Kirrahe upset me more in a emotional/sad way. Thane is much more important to me, of course, but the dramatic ninjanyness just took away a lot of the shock/emotion. The fight scene was too drawn out, and sword>gun is silly to me.
When Kai Leng goes to do his fancy hand thing, he actually fires and then Kirrahee becomes uninvisible and falls at the Councilor's feet, blood coming from his mouth and stuff. He was standing in the space between the Councilor & KL and you never see him until he gets hit. Then KL jumps out the window. I thought the suddenness was more affective, personally. It seemed more no-nonsense and there were a lot less missing bullets fired and makes the lack of firing from Shep make more sense since KL is behind the Councilor, then he runs off. No real time to get him.

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utaker1988 wrote...

Ah, yes....

Shep: Do you know that BW has written for you to die in ME3?
Thane: Why would they do that?
Shep: They think you want too, you are at peace with it, you have accepted it.
Thane: Did they not pay attention to anything I said?
Shep: Apparently not, but they are backed by a large amount of trolls who think your disease is all that you are.
Thane: Where are these trolls?
Shep: They are everywhere, they are more in number than the Reapers.
Thane: So, my disease kills me, wonderful.
Shep: Well, sort of but it's pushed along by a stab wound by that superb assassin Kai Leng.
Thane: What? The guy who eats cereal and pees in a vase? This is disquieting.
Shep: Yes, but they think the fight is epic. It's so great that no matter how much I love you and no matter how many opportunities are there to take Leng down, I just stand there like a fool.
Thane: Tell me I don't just stand around like a fool.
Shep: Well not really but for being the best assassin in the galaxy, they have you pull some rather amateurish moves.
Thane: Even on my worst day, I would never be amateurish. Apparently this must be my worst day. Go on.
Shep: After you are stabbed, I don't bother to help you. I take off and I don't leave anyone behind to help you.
Thane: This is madness!!!! What were they thinking?
Shep: With a large writing team, you were kinda forgotten about, I think the word "optional" was used too. They admitted to dropping the ball.
Thane: (grabs sniper) I'm about to drop a few balls.



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I don't know, the thought that Kirrahee might be standing there when Thane gets stabbed makes me want to cry. I think if you romanced Thane, got his loyalty and saved Kirrahee on Virmire then that could have been the way to keep Thane safe in that situation. Perhaps if you didn't save Kirrahee then they could let Thane die or somthing, I don't know. I'm just looking for ways on how they could fix this mess.
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I just think Thane doesn't need to step up like he did at all. haha. I know that'd upset all the "epic fight scene" fans, and I don't wanna steal content from them, but I'd like a way to have Thane not bother with the battle. Or do it in a different way.
I think they could have just left it as Kirrahe's job. It was a better scene with him IMO. Maybe if people watched both scenes, they might prefer his part as many of my "KL vs. Thane was awesome" friends.

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utaker1988 wrote...

Ah, yes....

Shep: Do you know that BW has written for you to die in ME3?
Thane: Why would they do that?
Shep: They think you want too, you are at peace with it, you have accepted it.
Thane: Did they not pay attention to anything I said?
Shep: Apparently not, but they are backed by a large amount of trolls who think your disease is all that you are.
Thane: Where are these trolls?
Shep: They are everywhere, they are more in number than the Reapers.
Thane: So, my disease kills me, wonderful.
Shep: Well, sort of but it's pushed along by a stab wound by that superb assassin Kai Leng.
Thane: What? The guy who eats cereal and pees in a vase? This is disquieting.
Shep: Yes, but they think the fight is epic. It's so great that no matter how much I love you and no matter how many opportunities are there to take Leng down, I just stand there like a fool.
Thane: Tell me I don't just stand around like a fool.
Shep: Well not really but for being the best assassin in the galaxy, they have you pull some rather amateurish moves.
Thane: Even on my worst day, I would never be amateurish. Apparently this must be my worst day. Go on.
Shep: After you are stabbed, I don't bother to help you. I take off and I don't leave anyone behind to help you.
Thane: This is madness!!!! What were they thinking?
Shep: With a large writing team, you were kinda forgotten about, I think the word "optional" was used too. They admitted to dropping the ball.
Thane: (grabs sniper) I'm about to drop a few balls.


just wonderfull <3<3<3

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Niemalna wrote...

I just think Thane doesn't need to step up like he did at all. haha. I know that'd upset all the "epic fight scene" fans, and I don't wanna steal content from them, but I'd like a way to have Thane not bother with the battle. Or do it in a different way.
I think they could have just left it as Kirrahe's job. It was a better scene with him IMO. Maybe if people watched both scenes, they might prefer his part as many of my "KL vs. Thane was awesome" friends.


Yeah I really think your idea is better and I just thought Thanes fight looked kind of dumb but I doubt Bioware would take it out completely. I just don't trust Bioware anymore sadly. 

Modifié par Redrose2727, 01 avril 2012 - 06:58 .


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Yeah I'd much rather have Kirrahe die than Thane (no offense Kirrahe). I wish they would give us a choice to have Kirrahe die instead somehow. Maybe you could dissuade Thane from coming to find Shepard so Kirrahe would have to take the hit. I think it would be cool if there was a paragon interrupt to push Thane out of the way and get stabbed yourself, because the wound wouldn't be fatal for Shepard.

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sorry something messed up with my post >.<

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LucyMaire wrote...

Yeah I'd much rather have Kirrahe die than Thane (no offense Kirrahe). I wish they would give us a choice to have Kirrahe die instead somehow. Maybe you could dissuade Thane from coming to find Shepard so Kirrahe would have to take the hit. I think it would be cool if there was a paragon interrupt to push Thane out of the way and get stabbed yourself, because the wound wouldn't be fatal for Shepard.



I like this! plus this would also take out the awful scene of my shep leaving poor Thane behind (something she would never do).

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Niemalna wrote...

I just think Thane doesn't need to step up like he did at all. haha. I know that'd upset all the "epic fight scene" fans, and I don't wanna steal content from them, but I'd like a way to have Thane not bother with the battle. Or do it in a different way.
I think they could have just left it as Kirrahe's job. It was a better scene with him IMO. Maybe if people watched both scenes, they might prefer his part as many of my "KL vs. Thane was awesome" friends.


Thane being there wasn't necessary at all. I don't think most people have watched the scene with Kirrahe instead. That's why they are always going on about how AWESOME and BADASS that fight with Kai DingaLeng and Thane was. I haven't seen one person say how awesome Kirrahe was. 

Just the fact that another character can take Thane's place in that fight, makes the fight not so special anymore. It's not exclusive to Thane or anything. The only thing that is exclusive to Thane is him dying. Every other character can be saved through a players choice but not him. That makes me so angry, all of us angry Image IPB

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Niemalna wrote...

I actually think the scene with Kirrahe upset me more in a emotional/sad way. Thane is much more important to me, of course, but the dramatic ninjanyness just took away a lot of the shock/emotion. The fight scene was too drawn out, and sword>gun is silly to me.
When Kai Leng goes to do his fancy hand thing, he actually fires and then Kirrahee becomes uninvisible and falls at the Councilor's feet, blood coming from his mouth and stuff. He was standing in the space between the Councilor & KL and you never see him until he gets hit. Then KL jumps out the window. I thought the suddenness was more affective, personally. It seemed more no-nonsense and there were a lot less missing bullets fired and makes the lack of firing from Shep make more sense since KL is behind the Councilor, then he runs off. No real time to get him.



That is interesting.....and sort of depressing.  I haven't seen the Kirrahe/KL encounter, but it seems (from your description), much more plausible of a situation.  Which in turn, makes the Thane/KL fight seem even more overly staged (which it most certainly was). 

There have been a few Thane lovers over the past few days who have posted some brilliant thoughts on this fight AND Thanes overall involvement in me3, and I believe the writers did more than forget about Thane's character and character arc.  I think they actually didn't know nearly enough about him.  All they did was find a way to 'shoehorn' his presence into this storyline/game.  Dropping the ball is an understatement.

Some ways he could have added real interest to the game.......

 He was the only Drell we get to know in depth (well, if ya bothered...).  Because he is a Drell, he has a connection to the Hanar.  The Hanar have an entire religion based on the Protheans.  Prothean connection to fighting the Reapers. 

He is an assassin, considered one of the best.  Potential connections (including maybe some unconventional ones that could have been fun to write about) from being an assassin, along with mad skillz that could have come in handy for different missions.  And MOST importantly, if he is romanced or friended, he has his skills and council to aide Shepard in the forthcoming fight against the reapers; which he had offered to Shepard from the very beginning.

Not all character plots and sub-plots need to be tied so directly into the main plot.  This adds texture and richness to a storyline (especially one set on rails).

And these are not even including just the LI connection, which should never have been dismissed.  The choices, and character connections is what drives many of us to buy and play these games.  Take those away, and the appeal to this game is..........(at least for me) none.  Just my opinion, and my musings.
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Redrose2727 wrote...

LucyMaire wrote...

Yeah I'd much rather have Kirrahe die than Thane (no offense Kirrahe). I wish they would give us a choice to have Kirrahe die instead somehow. Maybe you could dissuade Thane from coming to find Shepard so Kirrahe would have to take the hit. I think it would be cool if there was a paragon interrupt to push Thane out of the way and get stabbed yourself, because the wound wouldn't be fatal for Shepard.



I like this! plus this would also take out the awful scene of my shep leaving poor Thane behind (something she would never do).

yeah, i just waited for something like this *-*
my shepard also would never do...
but than we got the problem with udina...

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Moira-chan wrote...

Redrose2727 wrote...

LucyMaire wrote...

Yeah I'd much rather have Kirrahe die than Thane (no offense Kirrahe). I wish they would give us a choice to have Kirrahe die instead somehow. Maybe you could dissuade Thane from coming to find Shepard so Kirrahe would have to take the hit. I think it would be cool if there was a paragon interrupt to push Thane out of the way and get stabbed yourself, because the wound wouldn't be fatal for Shepard.



I like this! plus this would also take out the awful scene of my shep leaving poor Thane behind (something she would never do).

yeah, i just waited for something like this *-*
my shepard also would never do...
but than we got the problem with udina...




Honestly I would just let Udina and Kai Leng kill the council. I don't like them anywayImage IPB.
Or I would just let Garrus take care of the situation

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Ima just pop in here to remind new people to

Read the first page! :P

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Not a lot of time...stoopid work...you all rock completely. That Erina chick was just not gonna listen, but you all Held the Drell and did it politely. Awesome job!!!

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Seriously..
Who do I want to live? Salarian councilor or Thane? Hmmm Image IPB....who would I rather save? Very tough question.

I know! Salarian councilor! 

WRONG!!!! Thane all the way!

I was like, Thane get the hell out of the way. Let Kai Leng kill the councilor. He's hiding under the table anyways. (But I do have a soft spot for Salarians for some reason............Mordin :crying:

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mnomaha wrote...

Not a lot of time...stoopid work...you all rock completely. That Erina chick was just not gonna listen, but you all Held the Drell and did it politely. Awesome job!!!


thanks :)
it was a hard job, but i've got two strong with fighters around me :)
thanks again :)

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utaker1988 wrote...

Ah, yes....

Shep: Do you know that BW has written for you to die in ME3?
Thane: Why would they do that?
Shep: They think you want too, you are at peace with it, you have accepted it.
Thane: Did they not pay attention to anything I said?
Shep: Apparently not, but they are backed by a large amount of trolls who think your disease is all that you are.
Thane: Where are these trolls?
Shep: They are everywhere, they are more in number than the Reapers.
Thane: So, my disease kills me, wonderful.
Shep: Well, sort of but it's pushed along by a stab wound by that superb assassin Kai Leng.
Thane: What? The guy who eats cereal and pees in a vase? This is disquieting.
Shep: Yes, but they think the fight is epic. It's so great that no matter how much I love you and no matter how many opportunities are there to take Leng down, I just stand there like a fool.
Thane: Tell me I don't just stand around like a fool.
Shep: Well not really but for being the best assassin in the galaxy, they have you pull some rather amateurish moves.
Thane: Even on my worst day, I would never be amateurish. Apparently this must be my worst day. Go on.
Shep: After you are stabbed, I don't bother to help you. I take off and I don't leave anyone behind to help you.
Thane: This is madness!!!! What were they thinking?
Shep: With a large writing team, you were kinda forgotten about, I think the word "optional" was used too. They admitted to dropping the ball.
Thane: (grabs sniper) I'm about to drop a few balls.


This is quite possibly one of the best things ever.

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utaker1988 wrote...

Ah, yes....

Shep: Do you know that BW has written for you to die in ME3?
Thane: Why would they do that?
Shep: They think you want too, you are at peace with it, you have accepted it.
Thane: Did they not pay attention to anything I said?
Shep: Apparently not, but they are backed by a large amount of trolls who think your disease is all that you are.
Thane: Where are these trolls?
Shep: They are everywhere, they are more in number than the Reapers.
Thane: So, my disease kills me, wonderful.
Shep: Well, sort of but it's pushed along by a stab wound by that superb assassin Kai Leng.
Thane: What? The guy who eats cereal and pees in a vase? This is disquieting.
Shep: Yes, but they think the fight is epic. It's so great that no matter how much I love you and no matter how many opportunities are there to take Leng down, I just stand there like a fool.
Thane: Tell me I don't just stand around like a fool.
Shep: Well not really but for being the best assassin in the galaxy, they have you pull some rather amateurish moves.
Thane: Even on my worst day, I would never be amateurish. Apparently this must be my worst day. Go on.
Shep: After you are stabbed, I don't bother to help you. I take off and I don't leave anyone behind to help you.
Thane: This is madness!!!! What were they thinking?
Shep: With a large writing team, you were kinda forgotten about, I think the word "optional" was used too. They admitted to dropping the ball.
Thane: (grabs sniper) I'm about to drop a few balls.


LOVE!

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kaimanaMM wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

Ah, yes....

Shep: Do you know that BW has written for you to die in ME3?
Thane: Why would they do that?
Shep: They think you want too, you are at peace with it, you have accepted it.
Thane: Did they not pay attention to anything I said?
Shep: Apparently not, but they are backed by a large amount of trolls who think your disease is all that you are.
Thane: Where are these trolls?
Shep: They are everywhere, they are more in number than the Reapers.
Thane: So, my disease kills me, wonderful.
Shep: Well, sort of but it's pushed along by a stab wound by that superb assassin Kai Leng.
Thane: What? The guy who eats cereal and pees in a vase? This is disquieting.
Shep: Yes, but they think the fight is epic. It's so great that no matter how much I love you and no matter how many opportunities are there to take Leng down, I just stand there like a fool.
Thane: Tell me I don't just stand around like a fool.
Shep: Well not really but for being the best assassin in the galaxy, they have you pull some rather amateurish moves.
Thane: Even on my worst day, I would never be amateurish. Apparently this must be my worst day. Go on.
Shep: After you are stabbed, I don't bother to help you. I take off and I don't leave anyone behind to help you.
Thane: This is madness!!!! What were they thinking?
Shep: With a large writing team, you were kinda forgotten about, I think the word "optional" was used too. They admitted to dropping the ball.
Thane: (grabs sniper) I'm about to drop a few balls.


This is quite possibly one of the best things ever.


This is completely canon in my book. <3

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mnomaha wrote...

Not a lot of time...stoopid work...you all rock completely. That Erina chick was just not gonna listen, but you all Held the Drell and did it politely. Awesome job!!!


Agreed :) YOU DID IT!

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So guys have a nice day/night - I am going to sleep now :) Just to get sweet dreams:

nearly the only screenie of ME3 I really love :) Since her face is telling more than 1000 words I think ;)

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I think she really love him at all ;) *wave* See ya around!

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Just wanted to say you do a great job defending Thane in this way and I follow this thread every day and try to participate in my ability in all your proposals. I am delighted to see I'm not the only person who cried with the death of Thane and is outraged by the treatment given in the game. You are a great support and I really hope that all proposals on improvement of romance and a cure are listening by Bioware. Hugs and thank you!

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Alidaen wrote...

Just wanted to say you do a great job defending Thane in this way and I follow this thread every day and try to participate in my ability in all your proposals. I am delighted to see I'm not the only person who cried with the death of Thane and is outraged by the treatment given in the game. You are a great support and I really hope that all proposals on improvement of romance and a cure are listening by Bioware. Hugs and thank you!


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Feel free to join in whenever you wish.....we have our passionate rants, our goofy posts, and we occationally bring out our smutty momentsImage IPB......wut........We do......... <smirk>

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^^She's the smutty one. I just follow along...and smile. ;)