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Sarah1281 wrote...

No he was NOT necessarily supposed to die; BW put many hints to suggest otherwise....IF you played your cards right potentially. The people claiming a cure would not have been 'realistic' must be playing a different game than me where their Shepherd didn't have their entire body recreated in a lab from a dead brain kept in tact by a helmet after the rest of their body was blown to smithereens. Or where a centuries long sterilizing plague was cured by one person in 6 months using somebody else's unfinished research that was claimed had YEARS left of work to be done. I mean, let's be real here.

I think that he was always supposed to die from his terminal disease but that Bioware, for whatever reason, decided to **** with his fans by dangling a nonexistant cure option in front of them.


ur wrong tho

chris l'etoile had no plans for killin him off and after he left no one curr'd

but a lot of the other stuff i agreed with to some extent

and the "dire need" thing could have been implemented -- it would have made sense if finding a cure for the hanars' only means of defending themselves (drell through the compact) was the only way to aquire them as a war asset

but nope

bioware don't curr

Modifié par lyssalu, 13 mars 2012 - 05:46 .

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Also, while the loose ends regarding the cure would still be irritating if Thane died in the same manner, BUT!!! If they had done that death better in terms of dialog/action and had it all make sense and feel complete in the context of the relationship and character development in ME2, I think it would have been a much easier pill to swallow.

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I would only protest jacks and jacobs. Thane in me3 was epic. romance or no...

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Rip The Reaper wrote...

I would only protest jacks and jacobs. Thane in me3 was epic. romance or no...


i mean

from an objective standpoint, this isn't true

it isn't even a matter of taste

this objectively isn't true

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Rip The Reaper wrote...

I would only protest jacks and jacobs. Thane in me3 was epic. romance or no...


Jacob fans got the shaft just as badly, but I'm not feeling you in terms of the Jack situation. I mean, in comparison to ME1 LI's, all the ME2 characters got the short end of the stick, but in the case of Thane and Jacob, i don't think they even got to LOOK at the stick, let alone get an end..short or long. haha :(

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To summarize for those who haven't read through our very long posts :)

It's not the fact that he dies. It's the reaction to that death that is pissing us off.
Nearly identical dialogue, and no reaction from crewmates.

Do we want an option for him to live? Many of us do. But we accept that probably isn't possible at this point. We've been defeated and have fallen back to our minimum line of retreat: Have Shepard gd react to the death of a lover.

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RShara wrote...

To summarize for those who haven't read through our very long posts :)

It's not the fact that he dies. It's the reaction to that death that is pissing us off.
Nearly identical dialogue, and no reaction from crewmates.

Do we want an option for him to live? Many of us do. But we accept that probably isn't possible at this point. We've been defeated and have fallen back to our minimum line of retreat: Have Shepard gd react to the death of a lover.


RSHARA I LOVE YOU COME HERE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID YES

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RShara wrote...

To summarize for those who haven't read through our very long posts :)

It's not the fact that he dies. It's the reaction to that death that is pissing us off.
Nearly identical dialogue, and no reaction from crewmates.

Do we want an option for him to live? Many of us do. But we accept that probably isn't possible at this point. We've been defeated and have fallen back to our minimum line of retreat: Have Shepard gd react to the death of a lover.


perfect summary.

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Rip The Reaper wrote...

I would only protest jacks and jacobs. Thane in me3 was epic. romance or no...


Glad you like it. Though when it comes to his romance being top notch,  you're in minority. 
The point is, even if anything does change you won't see the difference, becasue we're not asking for  compensation that applies to non-romanced Thane but rather the romanced one.

But then again you can always swap places with us if you prefer Thane's treatment over your LI's.

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That summary is pretty dead-on but also really depressing that at this point we are begging for and willing to be happier with the BARE MINIMUM when even that would still leave the plot line getting royally screwed. Such a disappointment. I wish Thane's original writer could write a short story for the internet detailing what he had envisioned for his character and how he had wanted the plot to go just so we could have that closure...I'd take that over getting an achievement with the current half-assed and half-baked conclusion.

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Sarah1281 wrote...


I think that he was always supposed to die from his terminal disease but that Bioware, for whatever reason, decided to **** with his fans by dangling a nonexistant cure option in front of them. 

As far as "realism" goes, though...Bringing Shepard back cost a ridiculous amount of money and was only done because they needed her. If someone with the Illusive Man's resources needed Thane to live for some reason then it might have been a different story so they didn't and he didn't. Similarly, the genophage had to be cured since that was the only way to get the krogans and turians to work together and there was no pressing galaxy-saving reason for Thane to be saved unless Shepard decided to let the galaxy go to hell if he didn't. Mordin also understand a lot about the genophage since it was undoing itself so he "fixed" it and Maelon seems to have just gotten lucky that one of his extreme experiments paid off. And once one person was cured of the genophage, it was much easier to replicate it than if Eve hadn't been there.

These just as miraculous if not more so medical treatments that were provided successfully while Thane's weren't were also born out of a really dire need which gets more resources and more dedication to the project which, naturally, increases the odds of success.

Of course, it would be nice to know why Thane chose not to get a transplant which was a medical procedure readily available to him.


First point, hits me pretty hard.  Dangling that in front of us was not cruel, it was sadistic.  As for a galaxy pressing issue, I suppose if they thought out his character more, I imagine they could have come up with a reason why he could be a war asset even if dying.  He states in 2, he still has contacts if you ask him about Normandy upgrades.  I imagine that he would be more than happy to help Shep with getting the support of some of these contacts.  My Shep was willing to step into bed (not literally, thank God, or I would have said No) with Aria for her mercenaries, I'm sure she would have taken whatever help from the contacts Thane had.  Not as galaxy pressing as getting Turians and Krogans but every little bit helps.  

I'm going to guess that Thane doesn't sign up for the lung transplant list because at the time he was considered candidate he had resigned himself to death.  Of course, the events and his feelings change over the course of 2, so why he still didn't want that option is still a mystery.  Maybe he did, and we just don't know it.  Maybe the Drell are so small in number compared to other species that the chances of actually getting one are non existent.  But since this is Mass Effect and my brain dead Shep was rebuilt, I'm sure a lung could have been coughed up for Thane.

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Yeah I'm not willing to settle for just better dialogue AFTER he's gone, with my crew We deserve better dialogue - period. Thane deserves it.

And since it's being tossed around everywhere else - I'm still going to "hold the line".

I'll be in Life Support.

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thejoyrider wrote...

That summary is pretty dead-on but also really depressing that at this point we are begging for and willing to be happier with the BARE MINIMUM when even that would still leave the plot line getting royally screwed. Such a disappointment. I wish Thane's original writer could write a short story for the internet detailing what he had envisioned for his character and how he had wanted the plot to go just so we could have that closure...I'd take that over getting an achievement with the current half-assed and half-baked conclusion.


I think at this point a lot of us just want something more. Can they fix this in any way via patch or your excellent idea? I sincerely hope so.

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utaker1988 wrote...

(cut for space)

I'm going to guess that Thane doesn't sign up for the lung transplant list because at the time he was considered candidate he had resigned himself to death.  Of course, the events and his feelings change over the course of 2, so why he still didn't want that option is still a mystery.  Maybe he did, and we just don't know it.  Maybe the Drell are so small in number compared to other species that the chances of actually getting one are non existent.  But since this is Mass Effect and my brain dead Shep was rebuilt, I'm sure a lung could have been coughed up for Thane.


Even the few lines we got for dialogue at the hospital didn't elaborate on how he survived 9 months when he was given 3 by the doctors.

Not to mention we didn't even get to tell him we went there to see him after finally getting his message not Kaidan! (at least my Shep did.)
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thejoyrider wrote...

That summary is pretty dead-on but also really depressing that at this point we are begging for and willing to be happier with the BARE MINIMUM when even that would still leave the plot line getting royally screwed. Such a disappointment. I wish Thane's original writer could write a short story for the internet detailing what he had envisioned for his character and how he had wanted the plot to go just so we could have that closure...I'd take that over getting an achievement with the current half-assed and half-baked conclusion.


I'd be interested in seeing that.  I've been reading over the leaked script, and seeing how the game changed is definitely enlightening.  I think the original writer's input would be insightful.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know who Jacob's writer was in ME3?  It can't be the original, it just can't.

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RShara wrote...

To summarize for those who haven't read through our very long posts :)

It's not the fact that he dies. It's the reaction to that death that is pissing us off.
Nearly identical dialogue, and no reaction from crewmates.

Do we want an option for him to live? Many of us do. But we accept that probably isn't possible at this point. We've been defeated and have fallen back to our minimum line of retreat: Have Shepard gd react to the death of a lover.


Pretty much this.

Modifié par JECW, 13 mars 2012 - 06:07 .


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Kaija wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

(cut for space)

I'm going to guess that Thane doesn't sign up for the lung transplant list because at the time he was considered candidate he had resigned himself to death.  Of course, the events and his feelings change over the course of 2, so why he still didn't want that option is still a mystery.  Maybe he did, and we just don't know it.  Maybe the Drell are so small in number compared to other species that the chances of actually getting one are non existent.  But since this is Mass Effect and my brain dead Shep was rebuilt, I'm sure a lung could have been coughed up for Thane.


Even the few lines we got for dialogue at the hospital didn't elaborate on how he survived 9 months when he was given 3 by the doctors.

Not to mention we didn't even get to tell him we went there to see him after finally getting his message not Kaidan! (at least my Shep did.)


Niether did mine!  Instead I say it's because I'm there to see Kaidan??  Hello??  WTF??  I'm there to see YOU MR. KRIOS!!!  You emailed me, I squeeeed and came RIGHT ON OVER.  Posted Image

The fact that Kaidan is in the hospital is just a coincidence because we stood there like idiots on Mars and didn't shoot. 

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Kaija wrote...


Not to mention we didn't even get to tell him we went there to see him after finally getting his message not Kaidan! (at least my Shep did.)


Definitely that.  When I got the message, I had Joker hightail to the Citadel and it was NOT to see anyone other than Thane.  Ugh, once again, they are trying to state how important they think Kaidan is to my Shep when he was not.  I showed them how important Kaidan was, when I shot him.  

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Thane's romance ...

 It's what I got for choosing to romance Thane.

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utaker1988 wrote...

Definitely that.  When I got the message, I had Joker hightail to the Citadel and it was NOT to see anyone other than Thane.  Ugh, once again, they are trying to state how important they think Kaidan is to my Shep when he was not.  I showed them how important Kaidan was, when I shot him.  


Did any of you save Ash rather than Kaidan in ME2?  Did it still place the same priority on the VS if you weren't able to romance that character, or did the game just assume you wanted to romance Kaidan?

I saved Ash as a FemShep and had no ME1 romance, so now I'm curious.

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lyssalu wrote...

Rip The Reaper wrote...

I would only protest jacks and jacobs. Thane in me3 was epic. romance or no...


i mean

from an objective standpoint, this isn't true

it isn't even a matter of taste

this objectively isn't true


Jack and Jacob got raw deals AND had to deal with the ending. So I agree with Reaper. :D

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^^
I don't think Thane's "romance" in ME3 was epic - if you didn't romance him, sure it might suffice. Lots of people LOVE the Kai Leng fight scene. And yes, we know a healthy Thane would have kicked his Kanye dress wearing **** back to whatever ridiculous hole it came out of...BUT, to have most of the dialogue be the same no matter what Shep you play, and whether or not you romanced him was just brutal. And the rest of your crew doesn't even acknowledge that he's gone! And Shep spends less than a nanosecond "remembering" him. Thane even offers to watch over the VS in the hospital - why are they so damn important?

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Thane even offers to watch over the VS in the hospital - why are they so damn important?

I don't think that bit was about how super important the VS was. Thane was just reasonably healthy for someone dying (and he can definitely still fight) and the VS was at first unconscious and even then in terrible shape so it's just a nice thing for Thane to do, offering to make sure no one killed them since he'd be at the hospital anyway.

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Just because I can...

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Sarah1281 wrote...


Thane even offers to watch over the VS in the hospital - why are they so damn important?

I don't think that bit was about how super important the VS was. Thane was just reasonably healthy for someone dying (and he can definitely still fight) and the VS was at first unconscious and even then in terrible shape so it's just a nice thing for Thane to do, offering to make sure no one killed them since he'd be at the hospital anyway.


I agree that that is why he offers.  I just don't like that I have to say that I'm there to see the VS, NOT him, which was actually why I was there.  It just doesn't sit right if the romance from ME2 meant anything. 
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