Protesting the Poor Treatment of Thane Krios' Romance
#3276
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 11:16
BioWare, you've changed Thane's character. Your writer's now have the attention of those infinitely your greater. That which you know as Thanemancers are your salvation through a Thane DLC. You have failed. We will find a way to save Thane. I'd like to pipe that into their PA all day until they fix this and in the Harbinger voice, let them listen to that all day. Make it stop!!! Make it stop!!!! When they cry I'd like to give them the troll Leng master comeback, "Shut up"
#3277
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 12:34
Aislinn Trista wrote...
*sigh*
And shall remain as such. /sadface
I'm feeling really low tonight.
I romanced Thane in ME3 and all I got was this lousy...
Oh wait. I can't even get a lousy achievement.
Just when I thought I got used to Thane's fate in ME3 this single screenshot made me rage all over again.
Edit: It's not that having this achievement unlocked is so important; it's just that it basically symbolizes the amount of care and attention Thane's romance got from developers in the final game, which is pretty much zero.
And no, I do not think I want them to make this achievement available for us via some patch or something. What's the point in having a fancy medal if we don't have proper closure?
Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 02 avril 2012 - 12:39 .
#3278
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 12:44
Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
Aislinn Trista wrote...
*sigh*
And shall remain as such. /sadface
I'm feeling really low tonight.
I romanced Thane in ME3 and all I got was this lousy...
Oh wait. I can't even get a lousy achievement.
Just when I thought I got used to Thane's fate in ME3 this single screenshot made me rage all over again.
Edit: It's not that having this achievement unlocked is so important; it's just that it basically symbolizes the amount of care and attention Thane's romance got from developers in the final game, which is pretty much zero.
And no, I do not think I want them to make this achievement available for us via some patch or something. What's the point in having a fancy medal if we don't have proper closure?
I know, right? Entire. Game. Ruined.
#3279
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 12:46
they can never let us be huh?
we make a petition treat, they blame us, we just want to be heard, they blame us.
gosh, that's horrible
#3280
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:03
I really don't see why people can't just accept that we have different views and let it go? I guess even on the internet some things never change.
#3281
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:07
Yermogi wrote...
I really like how no matter how politely or cleverly we reply to people who say Thane should be dead and that we're whiners, they just keep calling us idiots and continue to post against us.
I really don't see why people can't just accept that we have different views and let it go? I guess even on the internet some things never change.
just dont remind me of yesterday. i'm gonna hit my desk with my head after this "conversation"
#3282
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:17
Moira-chan wrote...
Yermogi wrote...
I really like how no matter how politely or cleverly we reply to people who say Thane should be dead and that we're whiners, they just keep calling us idiots and continue to post against us.
I really don't see why people can't just accept that we have different views and let it go? I guess even on the internet some things never change.
just dont remind me of yesterday. i'm gonna hit my desk with my head after this "conversation"
It actually nearly gets to the point where I wonder if I am actually being stupid for wanting something more than what we got with Thane, because it's actually impossible to comprehend that people could be so horrible about it.. but of course I realise that they are being trolls and we have every right to be upset.
#3283
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:27
Yermogi wrote...
I really like how no matter how politely or cleverly we reply to people who say Thane should be dead and that we're whiners, they just keep calling us idiots and continue to post against us.
I really don't see why people can't just accept that we have different views and let it go? I guess even on the internet some things never change.
Because some are just not happy if others are. Or it could be that they want certain things fixed and they are afraid that we will take away from what they want. If and that's a big if, BW were to fix Thane's romance because they realized it was that bad, do you know how many people are going to start yelling in our direction. See what you did? You crying about Thane who was already dying and you knew it (yeah, that will come up a lot) wasted resources to give us a home on Rannoch, blue babies, turian babies, blasto the squadmate, etc. It's basic selfishness, they see us as a threat to what they want. Then there are ones who think their cause is so great that EVERYONE should follow them so they get what they want first then we are allowed to ask for what we want. The best part of that is once they get it, they tell us to "f**k off" and we don't get their support.
The great thing about us is that we are not sitting by and allowing this to be acceptable. We are also not going around and telling everyone to worry about A,B,C first. We are a very open minded fan base and we do not tell others to stop fighting for what they want. I wish more were like us. If we laid down and waited for everyone to get theirs first by the time it came to Thane we'd be told, "Sorry you should have spoken up sooner, we are done adding to this game and fixing it." Nope, I'm not going to stand aside on this one.
#3284
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:34
We were promised things by BioWare that were forgotten and not done, and that INCLUDED EQUAL LI treatment. We're just as justified in protesting that as the ending. Anyone who says we aren't obviously is a few sandwiches short of picnic.sunnie7699 wrote...
Moira-chan wrote...
Yermogi wrote...
I really like how no matter how politely or cleverly we reply to people who say Thane should be dead and that we're whiners, they just keep calling us idiots and continue to post against us.
I really don't see why people can't just accept that we have different views and let it go? I guess even on the internet some things never change.
just dont remind me of yesterday. i'm gonna hit my desk with my head after this "conversation"
It actually nearly gets to the point where I wonder if I am actually being stupid for wanting something more than what we got with Thane, because it's actually impossible to comprehend that people could be so horrible about it.. but of course I realise that they are being trolls and we have every right to be upset.
#3285
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:41
Visii wrote...
Hey guys, got a treat for you all!
http://sempaiko.devi...762170#/d4utwz7
Visii, what a wonderful piece of art to see upon entering the thread!
And just finished ME3 a few minutes ago, so officially depressed now!
#3286
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:50
utaker1988 wrote...
I'd also support Hold the Drell.
BioWare, you've changed Thane's character. Your writer's now have the attention of those infinitely your greater. That which you know as Thanemancers are your salvation through a Thane DLC. You have failed. We will find a way to save Thane. I'd like to pipe that into their PA all day until they fix this and in the Harbinger voice, let them listen to that all day. Make it stop!!! Make it stop!!!! When they cry I'd like to give them the troll Leng master comeback, "Shut up"
Another for Hold the Drell. Oh that line has me thinking of all kinds of way to Hold the Drell....
This would be fantastic. Perhaps someone can voice it like Harby and take it to PAX - just wander around and play it over and over and over...
I really still can't wrap my head around the whole "we forgot" thing. I find it an impossibility.
I tried to start another PT last night, but didn't have the heart. Might finish up my 2 ME2 PTs instead.
#3287
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:56
Cosmochyck wrote...
utaker1988 wrote...
I'd also support Hold the Drell.
BioWare, you've changed Thane's character. Your writer's now have the attention of those infinitely your greater. That which you know as Thanemancers are your salvation through a Thane DLC. You have failed. We will find a way to save Thane. I'd like to pipe that into their PA all day until they fix this and in the Harbinger voice, let them listen to that all day. Make it stop!!! Make it stop!!!! When they cry I'd like to give them the troll Leng master comeback, "Shut up"
Another for Hold the Drell. Oh that line has me thinking of all kinds of way to Hold the Drell....
This would be fantastic. Perhaps someone can voice it like Harby and take it to PAX - just wander around and play it over and over and over...
I really still can't wrap my head around the whole "we forgot" thing. I find it an impossibility.
I tried to start another PT last night, but didn't have the heart. Might finish up my 2 ME2 PTs instead.
i just have 2 of them...
first was my kaidan one (just to get the game now and than full concentrate on thane...well...bad idea) after thanes death, i tried my thane romance shep to see whats different...we're all know, how it ends
in nothing *sigh*
so i never go further than tuchanka
#3288
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 02:58
ME3's ending really hurt, sigh!
#3289
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 03:02
I found Mass effect a couple of years ago and eventually got both 1 and 2. I'm not a forum person and didn't really know any other gamers so i just played by myself in my own little bubble. I loved the games, did every little sidequest and really took my time with it but when i found Thane it got a whole lot more interesting and i loved it even more.
Fast forward to present day, waiting and anticipating mass effect 3 and how the storyline would proceed *with Thane*. I had not read the forums but had the same hope for a life extension / cure for him as i see a lot of you do and had read rumors etc online over the past year.
Well...I preordered the game, predownloaded when that was available and hit the play button at exactly 00:01 when it was released here in europe. I was super excited and anxiously waited to meet back up with him. When i got the letter i actually exclaimed out loud THANE *big massive grin on my face* and ran to the hospital.
I don't have any words for how that all made me feel except....eh heartbreak...and the game went downhill fast for me. After his death it just turned into a sad and hurried affair, didn't care about the side quests, didn't much care about any of it and just wanted to get to the end to see what happened.
All i could think of when my Shepard died was *at least she went to be with him*.
After a day or so of ingesting what exactly happened here in the game i had looked forward to so damn long and feeling utterly depressed, i went to the forums to see if it was just me being stupid or maybe someone else was unhappy too. Now to make a point of how much this actually has bothered me...i never post to forums, i never post anything online. I've had a facebook account for years and i never even updated my status on it once, just added a few pictures, and i have avoided twitter like the plague.
Being the introvert / shy lurker i am, it has taken a lot for me to even post anything here but that's how upset i am by Thanes threatment. This wall of text is very much not the normal me lol, and i only post in this thread. But i do vote on any poll i possibly can to support, and i've been reading this thread and others involving Thane every day. Also signed the petition with a few lines of thoughts and liked the facebook page. Also thank you to who it was that linked the fanfic The Thirty-Six Stratagems. I read it and it was awesome.
I know i've said something similar before in the couple of other posts i have in this thread, but it means so much that you guys are here. I may not interact much at all, but i read, i tear up, i laugh, i swoon over the lovely pics, and at the end of the day i feel better for reading all of your posts and a little more hopeful that things may get fixed so thank you for being what i can not.
Oh and by the way, I saw someone mention being an antique, you're definately not alone *raises hand* 44 here.
#3290
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 03:11
Bronagh wrote...
I've been contemplating putting this down in words for a while now so here goes (sorry for the wall of text and any grammatical errors or such, my first language isn't english).
I found Mass effect a couple of years ago and eventually got both 1 and 2. I'm not a forum person and didn't really know any other gamers so i just played by myself in my own little bubble. I loved the games, did every little sidequest and really took my time with it but when i found Thane it got a whole lot more interesting and i loved it even more.
Fast forward to present day, waiting and anticipating mass effect 3 and how the storyline would proceed *with Thane*. I had not read the forums but had the same hope for a life extension / cure for him as i see a lot of you do and had read rumors etc online over the past year.
Well...I preordered the game, predownloaded when that was available and hit the play button at exactly 00:01 when it was released here in europe. I was super excited and anxiously waited to meet back up with him. When i got the letter i actually exclaimed out loud THANE *big massive grin on my face* and ran to the hospital.
I don't have any words for how that all made me feel except....eh heartbreak...and the game went downhill fast for me. After his death it just turned into a sad and hurried affair, didn't care about the side quests, didn't much care about any of it and just wanted to get to the end to see what happened.
All i could think of when my Shepard died was *at least she went to be with him*.
After a day or so of ingesting what exactly happened here in the game i had looked forward to so damn long and feeling utterly depressed, i went to the forums to see if it was just me being stupid or maybe someone else was unhappy too. Now to make a point of how much this actually has bothered me...i never post to forums, i never post anything online. I've had a facebook account for years and i never even updated my status on it once, just added a few pictures, and i have avoided twitter like the plague.
Being the introvert / shy lurker i am, it has taken a lot for me to even post anything here but that's how upset i am by Thanes threatment. This wall of text is very much not the normal me lol, and i only post in this thread. But i do vote on any poll i possibly can to support, and i've been reading this thread and others involving Thane every day. Also signed the petition with a few lines of thoughts and liked the facebook page. Also thank you to who it was that linked the fanfic The Thirty-Six Stratagems. I read it and it was awesome.
I know i've said something similar before in the couple of other posts i have in this thread, but it means so much that you guys are here. I may not interact much at all, but i read, i tear up, i laugh, i swoon over the lovely pics, and at the end of the day i feel better for reading all of your posts and a little more hopeful that things may get fixed so thank you for being what i can not.
Oh and by the way, I saw someone mention being an antique, you're definately not alone *raises hand* 44 here.
this is excactly how i felt about me3. i was excited how to save the world, but the most important thing was thane.
#3291
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 03:17
If you like, we're sending feedback to the Bioware Table at PAX. So if you have a few things to say to them about Thane, what he meant to your Shep, what you had hoped to see, what you liked and didn't like about his appearance in ME3- PM it to me and I'll make sure it gets put in!
#3292
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 03:19
Bronagh wrote...
*snips*
I know i've said something similar before in the couple of other posts i have in this thread, but it means so much that you guys are here. I may not interact much at all, but i read, i tear up, i laugh, i swoon over the lovely pics, and at the end of the day i feel better for reading all of your posts and a little more hopeful that things may get fixed so thank you for being what i can not.
Oh and by the way, I saw someone mention being an antique, you're definately not alone *raises hand* 44 here.
We're all in the same boat. So come on here for support! And drinks!
We'll keep fighting for Thane - and all the ME2 LIs that got ignored and discarded. We deserved more. They deserved more.
#3293
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 03:22
this pax thread, i'm going to be mad about it. let's get ready to rumble again <.<
gosh!
why did they just watch the romance to see what we're talking about.
[Edit]
me2 reaction:
thanks for all of you're great comments, keep it going"
i really become mad about this empty phrases.
Modifié par Moira-chan, 02 avril 2012 - 03:25 .
#3294
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 04:39
I just wanted to add my support. I think that my experience with the romance was a little different from most of the people here. I went into ME3 fully expecting Thane to die at some point, though I was holding out hope for a cure after I had seen some talk about it on Facebook and elsewhere. And though I found the romance content to be severely lacking when I went to go talk to him (repeatedly, every time I went to the Citadel, just to see if there was anything new), I was disappointed, but didn't think too much of it. With Thane's battle with Kai Leng, I was SO worried about him, but thought that it was fitting that - if he had to die - he go out as a warrior. I also thought it was stupid that you don't get to leave anybody with him to help him. And then when he died in the hospital, though I felt it would be out of character for Shepard to start crying her eyes out, I wished there was more you could say to him - "I love you" at the very least. But, overall, while I was playing it, I felt it was a very touching send-off for his character.
But then, the aftermath, with NO ONE mentioning his death or sacrifice, much less that he was Shepard's lover. Garrus, in front of the memorial - who when I saw him there, I was sure he'd say something - talking about Ashley, of all people.Then Kaidan, seriously minutes after leaving the hospital to say goodbye to Thane, sitting there and being like "Hey, let's get back together!" Though, I admit that killing Kai Leng was probably THE MOST satisfying kill I've ever had in my gaming life.
And with my Shepard going into the final battles with no one to comfort her after her nightmares and heading to her death, it just seemed like my Shepard's death had taken a turn for the tragic ever since Thane's death. Her friends essentially abandoned her when she needed them most, and she went to her own death with what I felt would be a sense of relief. That she didn't have to be without him, or live in a universe that had disappointed her so.
But even then, I was willing to let it go. Until I found out that you get essentially the same dialogue with Thane whether you romanced him or not, effectively nullifying the meaning in my Shepard's scenes with him. What was once a beautiful prayer for the woman he loved was now just a friendly gesture. Still a wonderful thing for Thane's character to do, and very much in-character, but the romantic impact was totally lost. And then I saw how much content the other LI's got - leaps and bounds over the paltry single conversation Thane-romancers got: dates, banter, final words. And the fact that straight FemSheps basically get the choice of Kaidan or none at all was pretty much the last straw. I like Kaidan well enough, but I shouldn't have my character thrown at him.
So, yeah, I'm a bit pissed. It hasn't ruined the series for me, but this coupled with the endings have certainly soured it. I still had fun with the game, and I'm still willing to replay it. And I'm more than willing to play the first two games again. But I'm not gonna just let Bioware pretend they didn't totally drop the ball here. I still love the company for the games before this one (I even kinda liked DA2), but they should know we're holding them accountable for these characters we love.
#3295
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 04:47
Bronagh wrote...
I've been contemplating putting this down in words for a while now so here goes (sorry for the wall of text and any grammatical errors or such, my first language isn't english).
I found Mass effect a couple of years ago and eventually got both 1 and 2. I'm not a forum person and didn't really know any other gamers so i just played by myself in my own little bubble. I loved the games, did every little sidequest and really took my time with it but when i found Thane it got a whole lot more interesting and i loved it even more.
Fast forward to present day, waiting and anticipating mass effect 3 and how the storyline would proceed *with Thane*. I had not read the forums but had the same hope for a life extension / cure for him as i see a lot of you do and had read rumors etc online over the past year.
Well...I preordered the game, predownloaded when that was available and hit the play button at exactly 00:01 when it was released here in europe. I was super excited and anxiously waited to meet back up with him. When i got the letter i actually exclaimed out loud THANE *big massive grin on my face* and ran to the hospital.
I don't have any words for how that all made me feel except....eh heartbreak...and the game went downhill fast for me. After his death it just turned into a sad and hurried affair, didn't care about the side quests, didn't much care about any of it and just wanted to get to the end to see what happened.
All i could think of when my Shepard died was *at least she went to be with him*.
After a day or so of ingesting what exactly happened here in the game i had looked forward to so damn long and feeling utterly depressed, i went to the forums to see if it was just me being stupid or maybe someone else was unhappy too. Now to make a point of how much this actually has bothered me...i never post to forums, i never post anything online. I've had a facebook account for years and i never even updated my status on it once, just added a few pictures, and i have avoided twitter like the plague.
Being the introvert / shy lurker i am, it has taken a lot for me to even post anything here but that's how upset i am by Thanes threatment. This wall of text is very much not the normal me lol, and i only post in this thread. But i do vote on any poll i possibly can to support, and i've been reading this thread and others involving Thane every day. Also signed the petition with a few lines of thoughts and liked the facebook page. Also thank you to who it was that linked the fanfic The Thirty-Six Stratagems. I read it and it was awesome.
I know i've said something similar before in the couple of other posts i have in this thread, but it means so much that you guys are here. I may not interact much at all, but i read, i tear up, i laugh, i swoon over the lovely pics, and at the end of the day i feel better for reading all of your posts and a little more hopeful that things may get fixed so thank you for being what i can not.
Oh and by the way, I saw someone mention being an antique, you're definately not alone *raises hand* 44 here.
Welcome and it's great to see you finally come out and post. We feel the same, I'm still heartbroken. I think I got over my first love faster than I'll get over this..but then again, he wasn't Thane.
#3296
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 04:58
coldwetn0se wrote...
JECW wrote...
coldwetn0se wrote...
Julia_xo wrote...
In addition to all the other things we've discussed, I still can't understand why Thane doesn't count toward the achievement. It should have popped during the make-out scene. I was watching Jack's romance on youtube and the achievement popped up when she and Shepard were dancing. No sex required.
It upsets me because Thane was a full-fledged romance in ME2 and to see him so sidelined in ME3 breaks my heart. Like Lucky Thirteen said earlier in the other Thane thread, they took our favorite character and reduced him to nothing at all. BioWare did not even consider him worth a codex entry, much less an achievement. The lack of love THEY showed his character is really saddening.
I read that post from her earlier, and I was stunned at what she revealed. I knew he wasn't even added to the codex, but to learn that some random woman from the books I never read,nor wished to, was listed as "persons of interest", and Thane wasn't..........blood boiling!
I couldn't even find him in the guide as a romance. Even Jacob is their but I didn't see Thane.
Interesting that Jacob is in there, considering you don't get the Paramour Achievement from his romance either......this is really sad and telling to me. It makes me believe what a few of us have speculated; that they just threw a few siha's, the interrupt and the make out scene at the last minute. Those guides are made before the game is actually released, and if they had any indication from what they were given (by bw/ea) that Thane was a fullfledged LI from ME2 leading into me3, then they would have still listed him as such. Just like they listed Jacob.
Want to cry.
You guys are so right. As if there was ever any doubt, Patrick Weekes really didn't exaggerate when he said they forgot Thane was a LI, It's like they wrote his character completely from an unromanced perspective and only later remembered he was a possible romance option.
The few romance referenes we got were added as an afterthought. It's painfully obvious.. The neglect, the dismissiveness, the lack of emotions, the out of character moments for both Thane and Shepard. God, this is depressing.
I feel like I keep cycling through the stages of grief. I've long moved past denial. Now I'm stuck somewhere between anger and depression with the occasional trip into bargaining territory (BW, I will give you money for DLC to fix this). UGH. If I didn't care about Thane so much and if it weren't for the awesome Thane fans on this forum, I feel like I would have cut my losses and just moved on from the trainwreck known as ME3 at this point.
#3297
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 04:59
cielosorasky wrote...
Hello, everyone! I'm a newbie to the forums. I was heartbroken (along with my twin) when Thane died, and I'm so glad to see such a supportive group of people fighting so strongly for the injustice of Thane's character in ME3. I've signed the petition, joined the facebook group, and would love to draw or write something for the fanbook.Now for the RAGE (sorry in advance for the book of text but it's always good to vent).
*snip lovely rant for space*
Sorry, just catching up! Please feel free to rant/rage/(ridges?), any time you wish, @cielosorasky! We welcome all........
@Bronagh - Beautiful post, and speak up whenever the urge takes ya!
@RShara - LOVE your flow chart! I would have assumed.....(silly ole' me) that the writers den at bw would have had one of these for Thane (and all the other beloved squaddies, past and present). Are you adding this to the Fanbook?
And as for "antiques".......they can be QUITE valuable!
#3298
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 05:02
*shakes you*
@_@. There's Pax letters and reminder prompts and links and Thanks for contributing notes all over my desktop. It's covering up that lovely Thane pic my friend finished for me last night...
#3299
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 05:06
I'd somehow revised it in my brain that she runs off down the corridor in hot pusuit of Leng and that's why there's no time for goodbyes. But nope, apparently that's something I'd invented in my own imagination to make it more acceptable. Nope, she just turns away and carries a fairly leisurely (in the circumstances) conversation with Bailey, climbs into a car and leaves. There's nothing. She doesn't say goodbye. She doesn't say she'll come back for him. She doesn't tell him to hold on. She doesn't put a hand on his shoulder (and frankly, I'm not even talking about the romanced version here - who would just ignore a dying friend like that?). She just leaves, and any party members you happen to have who know him (I had Garrus and EDI, and while EDI's got an excuse, Garrus hasn't) just walk along next to you silently while you talk to Bailey. Nobody cares.
It's just so horrible. :C
Edited for terrible spelling.
Modifié par cogsandcurls, 02 avril 2012 - 05:08 .
#3300
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 05:06
Then the citidal coup happened. Once again I was confused and shaking my Shepard wondering "what the hell" about so much of that scenario. I couldn't believe she just left him there bleeding and stabbed. When he said he had time my heart sank because I was sure he only said that to make me leave, but when I heard he was in the hospital I thought there was hope. Which was reinforced by the docto and Kolyat's presence. Then his death, the strange emotionlessness of it all and the recycled letter and I just sat there frustrated and confused and unsatisfied.
I went to my sister and asked how the whole interaction with Thane had gone for her. She romanced Garrus, so I figured that it must have been a really short and crappy interaction with her since I had such an unsatisfying interaction with him as a lover. What I heard from her was virtually identical to what I had experienced. I was dumbfounded. Once again, I thought I had done something wrong. I went back to the ship with a heavy heart and found no one on the ship seemed to care. Not only that, but then I had all these people on my ship trying to express romantic interests. No I do not want to shower with you, I just lost a really important person in my life. No I don't want to have some little dinner with you, I am mourning.
I thought maybe I would give it a second playthrough to see if I had missed something. I went searching around trying to find anything to tell me how to change the way things went. Meanwhile I struck up another conversation with my sister and her boyfriend who both said what a lot of the people coming into this thread have said, "What did you expect? You knew he was dying." Her boyfriend even said, "I thought that was part of his appeal." I understand a little that maybe because they didn't romance him they never saw the drastic change he went through after coming on the ship. I explained to them why I was caught off guard by the death and the (in my opinion) huge disservice they did to the relationship even before that. After explaining it and then finally showing them a video of the dialogues between Shep and Thane when romanced they finally got it.
I am afraid that since his death occurs so early in the game they may consider it to be a done deal. Most DLC is the sort that can be played whenever you feel like it, and unless they had some sort of scenario where his death wasn't really his death or they think people would start the game over to have their romance (I definately would) I don't know how that would pan out. It was a cruel yo-yo game they played with us. I hope they do something to make it more satisfying.





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