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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

Definitely that.  When I got the message, I had Joker hightail to the Citadel and it was NOT to see anyone other than Thane.  Ugh, once again, they are trying to state how important they think Kaidan is to my Shep when he was not.  I showed them how important Kaidan was, when I shot him.  


Did any of you save Ash rather than Kaidan in ME2?  Did it still place the same priority on the VS if you weren't able to romance that character, or did the game just assume you wanted to romance Kaidan?

I saved Ash as a FemShep and had no ME1 romance, so now I'm curious.


Yes, in my second playthrough (don't ask why I did this to myself twice), Ashley was alive and I had FemShep and she still says she was there to see Ashley.  He offers to protect her and that they are going to be in the same physical therapy group.  Poo, my Shep immediately thought, "Get on da Normandy and I will gives you free PT."  :devil:

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Thane even offers to watch over the VS in the hospital - why are they so damn important?

I don't think that bit was about how super important the VS was. Thane was just reasonably healthy for someone dying (and he can definitely still fight) and the VS was at first unconscious and even then in terrible shape so it's just a nice thing for Thane to do, offering to make sure no one killed them since he'd be at the hospital anyway.


I agree that that is why he offers.  I just don't like that I have to say that I'm there to see the VS, NOT him, which was actually why I was there.  It just doesn't sit right if the romance from ME2 meant anything. 


Agreed, I'd forgotten about that... do we HAVE to visit the VS to proceed?

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I think that he was always supposed to die from his terminal disease but that Bioware, for whatever reason, decided to **** with his fans by dangling a nonexistant cure option in front of them. 

As far as "realism" goes, though...Bringing Shepard back cost a ridiculous amount of money and was only done because they needed her. If someone with the Illusive Man's resources needed Thane to live for some reason then it might have been a different story so they didn't and he didn't. Similarly, the genophage had to be cured since that was the only way to get the krogans and turians to work together and there was no pressing galaxy-saving reason for Thane to be saved unless Shepard decided to let the galaxy go to hell if he didn't. Mordin also understand a lot about the genophage since it was undoing itself so he "fixed" it and Maelon seems to have just gotten lucky that one of his extreme experiments paid off. And once one person was cured of the genophage, it was much easier to replicate it than if Eve hadn't been there.

These just as miraculous if not more so medical treatments that were provided successfully while Thane's weren't were also born out of a really dire need which gets more resources and more dedication to the project which, naturally, increases the odds of success.

Of course, it would be nice to know why Thane chose not to get a transplant which was a medical procedure readily available to him.


First point, hits me pretty hard.  Dangling that in front of us was not cruel, it was sadistic.  As for a galaxy pressing issue, I suppose if they thought out his character more, I imagine they could have come up with a reason why he could be a war asset even if dying.  He states in 2, he still has contacts if you ask him about Normandy upgrades.  I imagine that he would be more than happy to help Shep with getting the support of some of these contacts.  My Shep was willing to step into bed (not literally, thank God, or I would have said No) with Aria for her mercenaries, I'm sure she would have taken whatever help from the contacts Thane had.  Not as galaxy pressing as getting Turians and Krogans but every little bit helps.  

I'm going to guess that Thane doesn't sign up for the lung transplant list because at the time he was considered candidate he had resigned himself to death.  Of course, the events and his feelings change over the course of 2, so why he still didn't want that option is still a mystery.  Maybe he did, and we just don't know it.  Maybe the Drell are so small in number compared to other species that the chances of actually getting one are non existent.  But since this is Mass Effect and my brain dead Shep was rebuilt, I'm sure a lung could have been coughed up for Thane.


Simply BW have forgotten about its fans:(

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utaker1988 wrote...

Yes, in my second playthrough (don't ask why I did this to myself twice), Ashley was alive and I had FemShep and she still says she was there to see Ashley.  He offers to protect her and that they are going to be in the same physical therapy group.  Poo, my Shep immediately thought, "Get on da Normandy and I will gives you free PT."  :devil:


LOL, that's so what I'll be thinking now when I play my Shepane file! Sad that Thane gets such poor treatment in this one. ;(

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Oh yeah, there's TONS more that we want. A quest, some more interactions, dialogue, achievement, conclusion and resolution.
But okay thanks Bioware we know we're not getting any of that.
So let's just have a few more lines from Hale, some slapped together animations, OH YEAH AND SHOW THANE IN THE FINAL FLASHBACK INSTEAD OF LIARA.

Minimum fallback point :(

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I think one of the main problems is the lack of difference between a ME2 character being romanced or not, their dialogues tend to turn out similar with minor (which is the problem) differences. This ties in towards that certain depth people were expecting with the characters, I don't even mind them being on the Normandy or not, you can still achieve character progression within the game, which Bioware didn't seem to express well. I bet if we had one more year with the game, this would look a lot different, but that's a whole other issue.

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wildannie wrote...

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Thane even offers to watch over the VS in the hospital - why are they so damn important?

I don't think that bit was about how super important the VS was. Thane was just reasonably healthy for someone dying (and he can definitely still fight) and the VS was at first unconscious and even then in terrible shape so it's just a nice thing for Thane to do, offering to make sure no one killed them since he'd be at the hospital anyway.


I agree that that is why he offers.  I just don't like that I have to say that I'm there to see the VS, NOT him, which was actually why I was there.  It just doesn't sit right if the romance from ME2 meant anything. 


Agreed, I'd forgotten about that... do we HAVE to visit the VS to proceed?


I think you do have to visit them to porceed.
I also wasn't to crazy about how shepard seemed to be more concerned with the VS than she was with Thane.
Even while doing my Garrus romance I thought she seemed just a little to emotional over Kaidan. I almost forgot who she was actually involved with.

Modifié par JECW, 13 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

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utaker1988 wrote...

Yes, in my second playthrough (don't ask why I did this to myself twice), Ashley was alive and I had FemShep and she still says she was there to see Ashley.  He offers to protect her and that they are going to be in the same physical therapy group.  Poo, my Shep immediately thought, "Get on da Normandy and I will gives you free PT."  :devil:


*sigh*  So the VS is just considered more important.  Again, I know characters are never treated equally, but Ash/Kaidan isn't seriously that important to the plot if you can off them during Udina's coup.
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JECW wrote...


I think you do have to visit them to porceed.
I also wasn't to crazy about how shepard seemed to be more concerned with the VS than she was with Thane.
Even while doing my Garrus romance I thought she seemed just a little to emotional over Kaidan. I almost forgot who she was actually involved with.


When I was playing ME3 I was regularly telling the game to f off due to all the ridiculous assupmtions being made about Femshep
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wildannie wrote...

JECW wrote...


I think you do have to visit them to porceed.
I also wasn't to crazy about how shepard seemed to be more concerned with the VS than she was with Thane.
Even while doing my Garrus romance I thought she seemed just a little to emotional over Kaidan. I almost forgot who she was actually involved with.


When I was playing ME3 I was regularly telling the game to f off due to all the ridiculous assupmtions being made about Femshep


BIG issues with this - there were so many convos that we had no control/choice over!  Like telling Thane I was there to see the VS!  Hell no! 

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 I'm glad you called out the fact that NO ONE asks Shep if she's okay afterwards. That really bothered me. After all the effort to show that Kaiden & Thane were talking, I at least expected some brief mention of it. Or Liara, who commented on our relationship during Shadow Broker. Hell, Garrus was waiting right there by the wall, and instead of talking about Thane, he mentions Ashley. ASHLEY!! If "everyone knows" that I was with Thane, as per dramatic argument with Kaiden, you think at least one person would mention it. Even just a small scene with her composing herself or putting up a photo of him or SOMETHING. That felt like a real lack of impact and made me sad.
Other than that, though, I loved the entire story arc, as tragic as it was. He went out with a bang, not a whimper. I noticed Thane's flip-flopping about whether or not he was at peace with death, too, but as someone who used to work with the dying, it seemed realistic to me. A cure would have lessened the drama. I liked that we got some flirting and some intimacy. I would have liked more dialogue, sure, but that would be the case no matter what I was given. :D
The post-death treatment does make me sad, though.

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What's worse is that I went into where Allers is on my ship and looked at all the photos on the wall. There is a drell there, I said it was Thane, whether it is or not is up for speculation. Well, it looks exactly like him, so when I wasn't weeping in Life Support I was up in Allers room weeping in front of that board. Same pics are also on the Memorial Wall on the Citadel. I wanted to tear the pic off the wall, go running back to my cabin and fall asleep crying while holding it. Sad, sad, sad.

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utaker1988 wrote...

What's worse is that I went into where Allers is on my ship and looked at all the photos on the wall. There is a drell there, I said it was Thane, whether it is or not is up for speculation. Well, it looks exactly like him, so when I wasn't weeping in Life Support I was up in Allers room weeping in front of that board. Same pics are also on the Memorial Wall on the Citadel. I wanted to tear the pic off the wall, go running back to my cabin and fall asleep crying while holding it. Sad, sad, sad.



Ok totally never noticed those!  Checking that out for sure.  And next PT, I think I'm leaving her behind - she just annoys my Shep.Posted Image

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So basically...Allers is the only one on the ship who even cares enough to put a picture up?

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Cosmochyck wrote...


BIG issues with this - there were so many convos that we had no control/choice over!  Like telling Thane I was there to see the VS!  Hell no! 


Indeed. Thane even asks, "you grew apart, I gather?" and I wanted my Shep to say "YES!" very loudly. If I remember correctly, she just looks all guilty as if insinuating they hadn't, in fact, grown apart.

I don't even think it's possible to completely shut Kaidan down during the hospital visits, is there? Seemed to me even the angry responses circled back to "we'll be okay eventually."

Which, it turns out, we were not. Kaidan asked to come aboard the Normandy, Shepard replied with "LOLNO." Never saw him again in the game, except as a war asset.

Edit re: Thane pictures on memorial wall - they're everywhere, I'm guessing it's "random drell" as they're up before Thane dies.

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I agree with many of your points, JECW.  There is much about this game that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, whether that is a good sign of writing, or not is for someone else to decide/  

I am the kind of person who prefers happy endings, not sad ones.  Yes, we know from the first meeting with Thane that his time is short, but he is still one of the best Li's in the game (personal  preference).

To add to some of your points:

JECW wrote...
All that foreshadowing, dismissed. There was hope; not hope from desperate fans reaching for any half-baked scrap of information. There seemed to be a calculated amount of information released, that no hoops were required to jump through to put together. his was a slap in the face. If Thane was always slated to die, why give any information at all? Why have Thane mention that the Hanar were working on a cure? Why put in Thane's Shadow Broker Dossier that he was an eligible transplant candidate? Why release on the CDN information about a medigel for the lungs, when that information would only be of interest to a select group of the fan base? Why recognize the "Cure Thane in ME3" banner, giving more hope to fans? If this isn't trolling, I don't know any other name for it. 


I honestly didn't expect a cure, despite all the attention the devs took in slipping in these hints,from the new treatments to featuring the cure thane banner on the facebook page. It's great that they acknowledge fans like this, but I don't hink they meant to give us false hope.  Unfortunately, most of us took it as hope, and it leaves us incredibly disappointed.  Then, of course I remember Tali's photo, and it makes me wonder if they are screwing with us.

 
 If in ME3 Thane's romance was "bittersweet" someone, or a lot of someones, forgot the "sweet" part. This was not "satisfying", and anyone who even tries to claim it was has no clue what they're talking about.

It certainly was not sweet. I couldn't stand the reunion scene.  Making out in public like that, made me feel awkward. Also, one scene only felt like an insult.  You have at least two scenes for every other li, as well as some sense of closure, since it's made clear Shepard and ME2 Li have different plans for the game. This whole thing through me for a loop, tbh.

Thane's death scene did not bother me as much as it seems to for most fans.  At one point, I was a NSAS member (my user name being Shavon at the time) and I metioned what it an incredibly unpopular opinion.  I thought Thane should go out in a blaze of glory, rather than an undignified death, drowning in his own body in a hospital bed. If any character in this series is worthy of this kind of ending, it's Thane. I was ticked off that right after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel ahppened, Garrus was by the wall, and commented about Mordin's death, and not Thane's.  Yes, Mordin's death was gut-wrenching, but Thane was my Shepard's lover you insensitive bird!  At least Kai Leng's death gave a semi-satisfying feeling to avenging Thane's death, but none of it matters anyway.

Ultimately, every romantic sub-plot was trolle by Bioware, as well as SHepard's end.  What a waste of $80

Edit:  I frogot to mention the difference between romanced and non-romanced Thane's conversations really bugged me. Thane will talk about Kolyat, and several other details that don't come up in a romanced situation.   This felt unnatural.  Surely a Shepard who romanced Thane would want to know about Kolyat just as much as a non-romanced Shepard.  That was really frustrating.

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i'm so happy i didn't buy the CE

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I don't even think it's possible to completely shut Kaidan down during the hospital visits, is there? Seemed to me even the angry responses circled back to "we'll be okay eventually."

Which, it turns out, we were not. Kaidan asked to come aboard the Normandy, Shepard replied with "LOLNO." Never saw him again in the game, except as a war asset.


The ME1 LIs, if you dump them for other LIs, are like very grabby octopi.  Except Liara, I suppose, she's fairly reasonable about ending it in Shadow Broker if you both move on.

...am I a bad person for wanting to dump Ash/Kaidan for Garrus/Tali in a playthrough just to stick it to them?

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Sarah1281 wrote...

So basically...Allers is the only one on the ship who even cares enough to put a picture up?


I'm pretty sure it's just a random drell, since Thane is the only prominent member of their species. That, and I think I'd almost rather believe that no one realized Thane died than know that Allers was the only one who cared.

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lyssalu wrote...

i'm so happy i didn't buy the CE


This was the first time i bought a collectors edition game (I am also not a person that tends to rush to get a game the moment it is released, which I did with ME3) and it will likely be the last time.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Shepenwepet wrote...
I don't even think it's possible to completely shut Kaidan down during the hospital visits, is there? Seemed to me even the angry responses circled back to "we'll be okay eventually."

Which, it turns out, we were not. Kaidan asked to come aboard the Normandy, Shepard replied with "LOLNO." Never saw him again in the game, except as a war asset.


The ME1 LIs, if you dump them for other LIs, are like very grabby octopi.  Except Liara, I suppose, she's fairly reasonable about ending it in Shadow Broker if you both move on.

...am I a bad person for wanting to dump Ash/Kaidan for Garrus/Tali in a playthrough just to stick it to them?


hahahahaha oh my gosh no

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utaker1988 wrote...

What's worse is that I went into where Allers is on my ship and looked at all the photos on the wall. There is a drell there, I said it was Thane, whether it is or not is up for speculation. Well, it looks exactly like him, so when I wasn't weeping in Life Support I was up in Allers room weeping in front of that board. Same pics are also on the Memorial Wall on the Citadel. I wanted to tear the pic off the wall, go running back to my cabin and fall asleep crying while holding it. Sad, sad, sad.


I saw that picture. That same picture is in the refugee camp on the citadel. It looks like Thane, but I'm not sure it's suppose to be him. I also think it was on the wall in the camp before he died, but I'm not sure. I do know it is on the wall in the refugee camp though.

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CheeseEnchilada wrote...

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So basically...Allers is the only one on the ship who even cares enough to put a picture up?


I'm pretty sure it's just a random drell, since Thane is the only prominent member of their species. That, and I think I'd almost rather believe that no one realized Thane died than know that Allers was the only one who cared.


i cant

maybe she has a thing for shepard's man

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CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

So basically...Allers is the only one on the ship who even cares enough to put a picture up?


I'm pretty sure it's just a random drell, since Thane is the only prominent member of their species. That, and I think I'd almost rather believe that no one realized Thane died than know that Allers was the only one who cared.


She didn't care. She took those pictures from the refugee camp.
I think you are right about it being some random drell.

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JECW wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

So basically...Allers is the only one on the ship who even cares enough to put a picture up?


I'm pretty sure it's just a random drell, since Thane is the only prominent member of their species. That, and I think I'd almost rather believe that no one realized Thane died than know that Allers was the only one who cared.


She didn't care. She took those pictures from the refugee camp.
I think you are right about it being some random drell.


i wish we knew the meaning of this drell

who do you think he is

why isn't he romanceable