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[Jack Mackerel]

Honestly, as someone who didn't romance him as Femshep and didn't talk to him all that much, I probably shouldn't talk, but it was rather fitting. I mean, he WAS dying slowly, not very subtly told to us several times through both games, and if you played your cards right, stopped Kai Leng. That's pretty great right there...

And the prayer at his deathbed made me shed a cold, tiny tear.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Jack Mackerel wrote...

Honestly, as someone who didn't romance him as Femshep and didn't talk to him all that much, I probably shouldn't talk, but it was rather fitting. I mean, he WAS dying slowly, not very subtly told to us several times through both games, and if you played your cards right, stopped Kai Leng. That's pretty great right there...

And the prayer at his deathbed made me shed a cold, tiny tear.

You speak BLASPHEMY

[sunnie7699]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Do you guys feel when Kai Leng stabbed Thane?
And how did you feel during his death scene and when he died?

I admit I cried, I wasn't expecting to but it got to me :crying:

I mostly just felt angry and numb.  Then I cried, because I realized I was robbed of any choice to do anything about it. Or be able to have my Shepard say anything to him.  It made me feel incredibly horrible.

When Kai Leng and Thane fought, I was literally yelling at my screen.  When Thane started getting the upper hand I thought maybe he'd chase that moron off, but... when they started running towards each other I knew it was going to end badly.  I think I may have screamed.  Luckily, I was home by myself when I played that part.  Anyone who witnessed my behavoir probably would have labeled me insane.



When I realized he was still alive, I had a little hope.  That all disappeared, of course, when I talked to the doctor in the hospital.  By that point I felt physically ill and turned the game off.  Didn't play for about a day, but forced myself to because I wanted to reach the end.  Unfortunately, that sucked too.

This is pretty much what I went through, I think I was in denial at first, I just remember thinking "bioware wouldn't do this to us..' and then as soon as the doctor said he was going to die, i started to try and convince myself that this was the way it should be, and that Shepard is meant to be all cold and distant, because I just didn't want to deal with the horrible feeling that I got from the whole thing. By the hospital scene I was sobbing in my chair though, good thing I was home alone too -__-.

It really felt horrible not being able to do anything about it, not being able to make shep say or do what she would have.. it was uncomfortable and totally ruined the game for me.. and on top of that no one mentioned him afterwards. It was too depressing and I didn't play the game for about 2 days as well. And as bad as it sounds, I was so upset to the point where I just sat and cried about it for while, and I just couldnt stop crying. I was just looking forward to this game SO MUCH 

[sunnie7699]

Jack Mackerel wrote...

Honestly, as someone who didn't romance him as Femshep and didn't talk to him all that much, I probably shouldn't talk, but it was rather fitting. I mean, he WAS dying slowly, not very subtly told to us several times through both games, and if you played your cards right, stopped Kai Leng. That's pretty great right there...

And the prayer at his deathbed made me shed a cold, tiny tear.

I definitely tried to convince myself that it was fitting, but to me it was just extremely forced. Thane wasn't the same slick badass he was in ME2, where he would neck-snap without a moments hesitation. I understand that he was sick and 'he would have kicked Leng's ass in his hey-day' but to me, thane wouldn't be in that situation especially if he was romanced. It just seemed like bioware thought 'ok, we need Thane to be doing something.. well it's easy if we just make him too sick to do anything genuinely cool, and lets not bother with a cure or treatment seeing as his fanbase isn't as huge as garrus's'.

There are people who seem to be happy with how he was handled, but not me, and not other Thanemancers. It just wasn't... right.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@sunnie7699
Shepard gets over the death of people in ME3 pretty quickly. I hate that.
Especially how Shepard acts like their death is an inconvience to his/her dinner plans.
Like "Damn Thane its sucks that you had to die right now, kind of ruined my appetite, I'll eat later I guess. "
Garrus: I'm so sorry about Thane
Shepard: Who?
Garrus: uhhhhh...

Modifié par Totally Not Swaggacide, 06 avril 2012 - 12:00 .

[sunnie7699]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@sunnie7699
Shepard gets over the death of people in ME3 pretty quickly. I hate that.
Especially how Shepard acts like their death is an inconvience to his/her dinner plans.
Like "Damn Thane its sucks that you had to die right now, kind of ruined my appetite, I'll eat later I guess. "
Garrus: I'm so sorry about Thane
Shepard: Who?
Garrus: uhhhhh...

Yeah, and then you get Shep at Kaiden's 'death' bed, which was actually not a death bed at ALL because the doctor even said he would be fine, saying **** like 'I need you kaiden, you have to make it through this'.

Um. Do we even get a choice to be cold/distant in that situation? No.

And yeah, that would probably be true if Garrus actually did mention him..

*rolls around on floor, sobbing*

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@sunnie7699
Its like BW had not planned on anyone liking the ME2 characters. Although not a Thanemancer myself I sympathize with you.
Ashley got screwed as well.

[utaker1988]

No, his romance was not handled well and while some like to think his role was fitting, I beg to differ. His role was fine for an acquaintance of Shepard's and nothing more. This is NOT the man who was crying in my Shep's cabin about his mortality and not being at peace with it. His whole role in ME3 was sloppily done and a disservice to his character progression and romance. I'm glad others are happy with it, we are not.

This right here burns at me.....from his letter.

"I once accepted my fate." Really? Shep gets this letter AFTER you die (really we all see it in LotSB but let's just say for giggles one is seeing it for the first time). He wrote this technically before the SM but BW is handing it to Shep now when he dies in ME3. So now it makes no damn sense and reeks of laziness. So, you are telling me in your final words to Shep that you ONCE accepted your fate, meaning you no longer accept it? I find that quite odd because in the first meeting on the Citadel, you are accepting it. BW, make up your mind. Does he accept dying or not?

"The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause."---Ok, once he joins Shep's cause his belief on dying quickly goes away. If one doesn't want to believe in dying quickly for whatever reason means there must be a reason for wanting to live longer. Didn't see this Thane in ME3. Where did he go? Oh yeah, into the black abyss of sloppy writing.

"You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am."--- Now this is just a slap in the face. Shep asked him to join the Normandy and he didn't want too because he felt he wouldn't be of any use to her and well, Kolyat. I can excuse the Kolyat reason but I don't see him real flippin' eager to protect her unless she is in danger of being mauled by medical equipment.

"I love you. "--- Oh the pain. Shep couldn't even muster the same to him. He was taking his last breath's and she couldn't even say those three words to him. /kamikaze faceplant. Sadism at it's finest folks. BW gives Thane a disease, a crappy past and then allows him to fall in love. Sprinkles in hopes of a treatment or cure, then comes ME3. Makes him happy to die, Shepard appearing like a horny teenager, and then he dies as a result of a wound obtained by the worst assassin I've ever seen. Even Zevran and his "Below the Belt" move is more impressive. Then we get stone face Shep at his death bed, not one tear, no I love you, and then everyone forgets about him (except troll Leng). What a hard kick in the balls to Thane. I feel for him I really do.

"Selfishly, however, I could not leave this world without leaving a piece of me behind that would never fade." (the letter) and "It seems there will be no one to mourn me when I die" from his conversation in ME2. The fact that he was forgotten and seeing those statements together makes me want to cry harder than I already have. Glad you left the letter Thane, otherwise my Shep was written to forget you immediately. This way, she could be forced to remember you and then you can be deemed not important again. I think I just died again...sigh.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@utaker1988
Ahh yes "fair character treatment" we have dismissed this claim

Oh and "making sense" we have dismissed that as well we only believe in Space Magic

Well explains the crappy ending & the majority of the cast getting boned like a new prison inmate

[utaker1988]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@utaker1988
Ahh yes "fair character treatment" we have dismissed this claim

Oh and "making sense" we have dismissed that as well we only believe in Space Magic

Well explains the crappy ending & the majority of the cast getting boned like a new prison inmate

No kidding, I honestly do not know what they were doing for 2 years but researching their characters was not one of them.  

There is a realm of bullsh*t so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Mass Effect 3.~~I'm sure Sovereign would be proud.  

[sunnie7699]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@utaker1988
Ahh yes "fair character treatment" we have dismissed this claim

Oh and "making sense" we have dismissed that as well we only believe in Space Magic

Well explains the crappy ending & the majority of the cast getting boned like a new prison inmate

Oh their new 'artistic integrity' shield they seem to hide behind a lot. No bioware, ME1 and 2 were works of art.. this? I don't know what this is. It's rushed, that's what it is. The occassional awesome scene and cool dialogue is not going to save it from it's horridly ambiguous nonsensical ending (and if this new ending expansion thing doesn't support the indoctrination theory, they are going to lose a LOT of fans) or the shafting of beloved ME2 characters.

It just makes no sense, it's like EA indoctrinated bioware to into thinking that the fans would eat it all up without questioning anything..

I just have an issue.. if bioware did intend for the indoctrination theory to be true, wouldn't they have said something by now? instead of claiming all this 'artistic integrity' bullsh*t? Because if indoc. is true, then it WOULD be awesome.. it's just that a lot of evidence points to it, and the way bioware is handling this isn't particularly reassuring..

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Artistic Intergrity?
That's funny

[Laser-Eyes]

I wish all LI's got equal treatment. Everyone deserved what Liara's romance got. It certainly would be nice

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Laser-Eyes wrote...

I wish all LI's got equal treatment. Everyone deserved what Liara's romance got. It certainly would be nice

Yeah I could only imagine

[wildannie]

utaker1988 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@utaker1988
Ahh yes "fair character treatment" we have dismissed this claim

Oh and "making sense" we have dismissed that as well we only believe in Space Magic

Well explains the crappy ending & the majority of the cast getting boned like a new prison inmate

No kidding, I honestly do not know what they were doing for 2 years but researching their characters was not one of them.  

There is a realm of bullsh*t so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Mass Effect 3.~~I'm sure Sovereign would be proud.  

:lol: so true, I really cannot comprehend how they messed up so badly, it is beyond me.

I am all for 'artistic integrity' where its warranted the problem I have with 'artistic integrity' and mass effect 3 is that I don't believe that the choices that were made re: ME2 characters were driven by an artistic vision, they were driven by issues of resource allocation and reeked of compromised artistic integrity as a result.  I'm not so sure about the ending (obviously it was crappy)  but its hard to imagine that the resources for the culmination of the series would have been compromised.  It is scary to think that they may have believed that was actually a good an fitting ending to ME.

[Laser-Eyes]

sunnie7699 wrote...

I just have an issue.. if bioware did intend for the indoctrination theory to be true, wouldn't they have said something by now? instead of claiming all this 'artistic integrity' bullsh*t? Because if indoc. is true, then it WOULD be awesome.. it's just that a lot of evidence points to it, and the way bioware is handling this isn't particularly reassuring..

Agreed. I have no idea what the ending was meant to be if not indoctrination theory. Absolutely nothing about it makes sense lol. I don't know how they would expect anyone to understand it especially when something like 6 months ago they release The Arrival DLC showing exactly what happens when you blow up a mass relay. Indoctrination is still a possiblity I suppose, but the way they are talking about the extended cut  makes me wonder otherwise.... or they had planned to release a DLC about explaining indoc. the whole time. I don't know. I just don't know wtf is going on with the ending lol. D: 

[Jenlocks]

 Shameful!!! Shameful how they forgot him!! Booo!
Shepard was running around that ****ing ship searching for someone who would say something about him, acknowledge him in some way that he exsisted but no..not a single person. I kept going up to people thinking, "maybe this one" "no, what about you" "someone say something!!" :crying:"Garrus? Liara?" Then i died more inside.

[sunnie7699]

Laser-Eyes wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...

I just have an issue.. if bioware did intend for the indoctrination theory to be true, wouldn't they have said something by now? instead of claiming all this 'artistic integrity' bullsh*t? Because if indoc. is true, then it WOULD be awesome.. it's just that a lot of evidence points to it, and the way bioware is handling this isn't particularly reassuring..

Agreed. I have no idea what the ending was meant to be if not indoctrination theory. Absolutely nothing about it makes sense lol. I don't know how they would expect anyone to understand it especially when something like 6 months ago they release The Arrival DLC showing exactly what happens when you blow up a mass relay. Indoctrination is still a possiblity I suppose, but the way they are talking about the extended cut  makes me wonder otherwise.... or they had planned to release a DLC about explaining indoc. the whole time. I don't know. I just don't know wtf is going on with the ending lol. D: 

Ha! I know, I just can't even begin to understand why they seem to think their endings are amazing.. seriously.. it just doesn't make sense. Not after bioware have delivered so well before.. even though DAII was disappointing, at least the endings weren't completely messed up. The ME3 endings just seems too.. dream-like not to be a dream. So if they end up releasing a DLC with a few cut scenes that suggest everything that happened at the end actually wasn't a hallucination and actually DID happen, it's just going to be a big WTF and they are gonna lose tonnes of fans..

But even if they fix the endings, I can't play the game unless they fix Thane's romance Nothing can make me play it until that happens

Modifié par sunnie7699, 06 avril 2012 - 02:07 .

[sunnie7699]

Jenlocks wrote...

 Shameful!!! Shameful how they forgot him!! Booo!
Shepard was running around that ****ing ship searching for someone who would say something about him, acknowledge him in some way that he exsisted but no..not a single person. I kept going up to people thinking, "maybe this one" "no, what about you" "someone say something!!" :crying:"Garrus? Liara?" Then i died more inside.

This is EXACTLY what i was thinking, even at the memorial wall i was like 'garrus is DEFINITELY going to mention Thane'.

Nope. I was like maybe it's a bug? Nope.

*cries*

Oh yeah, and then Garrus mentions that we 'nearly' had to put down a friend (Kaiden). What about the friend and lover who WAS 'put down' by a stupid, useless anime villian who evoked absolutely no interest from me whatsoever?!

Modifié par sunnie7699, 06 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[Jenlocks]

definition of Intergrity

1: firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility
2: an unimpairted condition: soundness
3: the quality or state of being complete or undivided: completeness

personally I haven't seen anything in the game that screams artistic intergrity...where is it?
Did I miss it? I see backtracked characters, things that are not continuous from the previous games and 
to stand behind something that isn't even present is a crock of poo..
just fix it, fix our characters..they don't even have to admit to being wrong..i don't care just fix it.

[sunnie7699]

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[utaker1988]

When Shep realized no one was going to say anything, she stuck up her middle finger and ignored everyone. She camped in Life Support and didn't bother heading up to her room unless cut scenes forced her too. I think the nightmare truly started the moment I put that game in my xbox. But because I love Thane and at one time I had faith in BioWare, I will hope they can fix this. If not, well Cameron Shepard the Pirate Queen will be forever in the Cerberus Normandy evading the Alliance. All the while doing nefarious acts scraping for money and cranking out little Thane's.

[sunnie7699]

utaker1988 wrote...

When Shep realized no one was going to say anything, she stuck up her middle finger and ignored everyone. She camped in Life Support and didn't bother heading up to her room unless cut scenes forced her too. I think the nightmare truly started the moment I put that game in my xbox. But because I love Thane and at one time I had faith in BioWare, I will hope they can fix this. If not, well Cameron Shepard the Pirate Queen will be forever in the Cerberus Normandy evading the Alliance. All the while doing nefarious acts scraping for money and cranking out little Thane's.

Human/drell babies.. if only <3

But I suppose I'm getting ahead of myself, considering we barely get a proper interaction with Thane in the first place.. but from the way Shep dry-humped him in the hospital, i wouldn't be suprised if she got preggers! Seriously.. what was that.. I was shifting in my seat, so uncomfortable lol. NOT what Thane and Shep were about, at least not in public

[Yermogi]

Jack Mackerel wrote...

Honestly, as someone who didn't romance him as Femshep and didn't talk to him all that much, I probably shouldn't talk, but it was rather fitting. I mean, he WAS dying slowly, not very subtly told to us several times through both games, and if you played your cards right, stopped Kai Leng. That's pretty great right there...

And the prayer at his deathbed made me shed a cold, tiny tear.

READ. THE FIRST. FREAKING. PAGE- Oh, for God's Sake! No one listens when I say that anyway. I'm going to go get a margarita before I shout spouting nonsensities and threats at everyone who comes in here. And hide my shotgun.