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Protesting the Poor Treatment of Thane Krios' Romance


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daigakuinsei

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Visii wrote...

From the moment you are born, you begin to die.

You age, you grow, you blossom, weaken and wither. Yet you still laugh and love and enjoy life.

There was nothing to enjoy in Thane's appearance in ME3. We had no time with him. No time to enjoy his character, to talk to him more, to go on one last mission with him.

Elaboration enough?


I think that's legit.  You basically get a makeout scene, right?

I don't think him living at the end makes sense, but I agree they could expand the interactions with him for  LIs.  I know a lot of people are pushing for a LI expansion DLC.

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I was fine with him dying. What I mind is getting 2 conversations with him, 1 of which is death dialogue, very few romanced lines (only 2 in the goodbye!) and afterwards, his death is forgotten in all but another 2 lines, 1 from Kai Leng taunting Shepard (Your friend Thane died like a coward!), and 1 from Shepard (That was for Thane, you son of a ****!).

He rewards no achievement, which means after his death, your team starts hitting on you. And no one, including Shepard, apparently notices he dies. No comments are made on his death by team Normandy, which seemed off for a friendly Shepard, let alone a Thanemancer.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 06 avril 2012 - 08:38 .


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daigakuinsei wrote...

I think that's legit.  You basically get a makeout scene, right?

I don't think him living at the end makes sense, but I agree they could expand the interactions with him for  LIs.  I know a lot of people are pushing for a LI expansion DLC.


Yeah. It's not so much that he dies. It's not like we're counting it down as a few months with Thane vs. 50+ years with Liara. We just don't get to use that time he does have in ME3, which is the heartbreaker.

And it could make sense, depending on how they were to cure him. Even if he doesn't live, I think it'd be best for them to make a DLC that has some kind of cure mission. Because otherwise all they can do it try to stick in some cutscenes and Shepard being sad, which wouldn't fix anything just as them shoehorning in his "siha" and makeout scene didn't help. And I still think the fight is nonsensical and only for cinematics at most points.

Modifié par Niemalna, 06 avril 2012 - 08:43 .


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We should have gotten a choice to save him, the same way you get  to choose whether other characters live or die...simple as that. 

Modifié par EvanesceKunoichi, 06 avril 2012 - 08:52 .


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I can't really add anything better than what has already been said.
We did go into the game knowing Thane had a higher probability of dying due to his terminal illness, we're not dense. But the romance was cut with no paramour achievement, there was no recognition from any squad mate that you had romanced Thane and no recognition from them that he had even died, we got only one dialogue with him before his death scene and that only had a single unique romance dialogue option which resulted in one kiss, his character does a complete 180 concerning the importance of the romance in his character arc, then we don't get any closure concerning the romance during his death scene.
The game took away our option to place any importance on romancing Thane. And retconning your whole romance arc was a big shock and extreme story detour for those that had Thane for a love interest and had planned on continuing that romance, dying or not. He didn't even get a codex entry for pete's sake!

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daigakuinsei wrote...

Thoughts:

1. I'm not afflicted with a terminal illness; Thane is. You were told your time would be short, so enjoy it while it lasts.

2. The "more than enough" argument is silly. Some people have bad lives, some have great, and others have truly tragic. Thane is probably in that last category. If the writers saw him that way, then that's how it should play out. How you respond in the middle is what matters.

3. The dossiers also say the disease had gone through metastasis, so lung medigel wouldn't be enough. You're making too many assumptions about immune systems and drell-specific antibiotics.

4. Re: Lung Transplant - Thane had a death wish. I know you can temporarily change that if you do a FemShep romance, but given his eidetic memory I could see that changing easily back to resignation.

I do feel for Thanemancers because ME2 romances generally got shafted unless they were Normandy crew in 3. Should have been a longer cutscene and maybe the Paramour achievement, but expecting him to live is excessive.


I don't think expecting him to live is excessive at all. Shepard died in space and  yet she was brought back to life.

Once you set a precedent like that in your story then a lot can happen. A cure for Kepral's syndrome has been in the works for years before Shepard even meets Thane. They could be close to a break-through for all we know. This is fiction. The writers could have done something with it but it's clear they didn't want to use many resources on any ME2 character.

The lung transplant was probably Thane's best bet. It's not a cure, but it could have extended his life.

Thane did have a death wish before meeting Shepard but that changes if you romance him. The fact that he went back to being resigned to his death with no explanation in ME3, is just plain bad writing. There's no way to question him about why he changed his mind. Instead his character development was trashed. For what? To railroad the character into a single outcome - forced death.

I still wonder why the lung transplant was mentioned at all in LotSB if nothing ever comes of it. You can't even ask Thane about it. Why did he choose not to do it? It just never comes up.

It just makes me angry that we know he had an option but it was ignored with no rhyme or reason. Just to force his death scene on us.

#3732
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At PAX:

polling audience: which ME is your favorite? very few hands for ME1. TONS for ME2. Not so many for ME3. "So. You guys just want to talk about ME2..."

Ohyeabby.

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Niemalna wrote...

At PAX:

polling audience: which ME is your favorite? very few hands for ME1. TONS for ME2. Not so many for ME3. "So. You guys just want to talk about ME2..."

Ohyeabby.


I am screaming like a teenager on the inside!!!! AHHHHH!!

#3734
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"So Tali and Garrus were my favorites. Not that we have favorites. We're completely impartial. Um."
booo!!!

blasted PAX man!

Modifié par Jenlocks, 06 avril 2012 - 09:45 .


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Niemalna

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I think the game itself made it pretty clear that they have, and play to, favorites. lol

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Heey Q & A time at PAX and this guy is tweeting:
https://twitter.com/#!/jsunakasully


And this is just in: "even if the citadel is destroyed, it doesn't mean the whole thing is destroyed. Not everyone is dead."
Could it have some meaning for Kolyat?

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Following this right now, regarding PAX; wonder if someone will ask after the LIs!

http://kotaku.com/58...ss-effect-panel

Thanks, Nerana, for the linkie!!:)

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Yermogi

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Are they taking questions just from the audience or from Twitter, or both?

#3739
Niemalna

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They took all the ones from the audience, but they're setting up a booth if people wanna come by. And they say they're reading feedback online, so you can Tweet them. That one guy is just quote the Q&A happening live at PAX, not answering new questions. :)

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no one asked anything about LI's all the questions were super lame!!!

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Emeraldfern wrote...

Heey Q & A time at PAX and this guy is tweeting:
https://twitter.com/#!/jsunakasully


And this is just in: "even if the citadel is destroyed, it doesn't mean the whole thing is destroyed. Not everyone is dead."
Could it have some meaning for Kolyat?


I hope so!

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Emeraldfern wrote...

Heey Q & A time at PAX and this guy is tweeting:
https://twitter.com/#!/jsunakasully


And this is just in: "even if the citadel is destroyed, it doesn't mean the whole thing is destroyed. Not everyone is dead."
Could it have some meaning for Kolyat?


Well I can rest easy now in knowing that whether he got off the Citadel or not, he is possibly alive.  Since it's open for speculation, I'm going for the one bright spot I can find, I did not just kill Thane's son.  I felt like crap thinking I very well may have.  

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Yermogi wrote...

Are they taking questions just from the audience or from Twitter, or both?


No clue, got to admit! :blink:Wish they had taken more questions, though!

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utaker1988 wrote...

Well I can rest easy now in knowing that whether he got off the Citadel or not, he is possibly alive.  Since it's open for speculation, I'm going for the one bright spot I can find, I did not just kill Thane's son.  I felt like crap thinking I very well may have.  


Oh yeah. If they ever say otherwise, I'm just denying everything.
Hope dies last! :P

And 5-10 minutes of questions? I could have made my LI  treatment question alone take up those 5-10 minutes. lol

Modifié par Niemalna, 06 avril 2012 - 10:06 .


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I gathered that it was just the audience who asked questions, however they are going to have a booth where attendees can visit and ask questions. I think they'll be looking at twitter as well.

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Jenlocks wrote...

no one asked anything about LI's all the questions were super lame!!!

But... but surely they'll talk about it! People have been protesting it for ages! And we gave them the book too!

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No one asked about the LI's. Or I should say, the people who were selected to ask questions didn't ask about the LI's. There could have been tons of angry ME2 LI fans there- they just didn't get picked.

Hopefully we'll get some info from our friends that are there.

Modifié par Visii, 06 avril 2012 - 10:16 .


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D: That's either really bad luck, or they purposely found out who didn't care about the LI's and asked them. One of the two.

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Visii
I have such hope right now
PLEASE BIOWARE JUST GIVE US THIS ONE THING PLEASE

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Visii wrote...

No one asked about the LI's. Or I should say, the people who were selected to ask questions didn't ask about the LI's. There could have been tons of angry ME2 LI fans there- they jsut didn't get picked.

Hopefully we'll get some info from our friends that are there.


Hopefully! Put our faith in the BOOK!!! :) The book will get the job done!!