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[RShara]

What I also don't understand is the whole rushing thing. It was a good 2 yrs between ME2 and ME3. The game engine is already built, so all they needed to do was refine it for ME3, then actually build the game. A LOT of dev time goes into getting the game engine right...with that cut out they really should have had plenty of time to get the story and everything right.

But the lack of resources would definitely make a huge difference

[sunnie7699]

RShara wrote...

What I also don't understand is the whole rushing thing. It was a good 2 yrs between ME2 and ME3. The game engine is already built, so all they needed to do was refine it for ME3, then actually build the game. A LOT of dev time goes into getting the game engine right...with that cut out they really should have had plenty of time to get the story and everything right.

But the lack of resources would definitely make a huge difference

It's just really sad.. I probably wouldn't care so much if Thane's romance was done well...but that would never have happened considering it was probably one of the last things on their list from looking at how much actual plot related things they had to cut out just to save money/time.

[JECW]

RShara wrote...

What I also don't understand is the whole rushing thing. It was a good 2 yrs between ME2 and ME3. The game engine is already built, so all they needed to do was refine it for ME3, then actually build the game. A LOT of dev time goes into getting the game engine right...with that cut out they really should have had plenty of time to get the story and everything right.

But the lack of resources would definitely make a huge difference

They just decided to put there focus elsewhere.
Other characters. Some important and some not so important.
I'm sure they focused more on MP. This game probably could have used another six months to a year.

[Saodade]

RShara wrote...

Shameless bump because this shouldn't be on the second page

Saodade: We're keeping faith and continuing to work toward better treatment!

HOLD THE DRELL!

Oh yeah baby  I  would hold the drell for dear life lol

[Yermogi]

I would totally love to get into the Holding the Drell with Ridges conversation... but it's Easter. Which means that I need to try to be good today. Or at LEAST try to last out until Easter Mass is finished.

No promises for afterwards though. I'm sure God understands.

Modifié par Yermogi, 08 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[Cosmochyck]

Chris E'toile wrote Thane in ME2.  I'm not sure who did for ME3 - the coffee guy?  I feel like they didn't need anybody to "write" him, as his part was 9 seconds. 

I also think that if they weren't happy with the finished product, delay the launch - 2 years isn't that long in development and people would have waited for a better story.  Skryim was 5 YEARS after Oblivion, and that didn't seem to affect much!  ME2 has huge replayability and I know people who were just getting into it. 

It's just too bad they were rushed.  EA is just out to crush all the small studios - either buy and assimilate, or we destroy you!  Muahahahahahah:devil:

As for the book that Visii, Nick & Aryss put together, it had over 130 letters (our boy had the most!), and then the fan art.  It's really great and I can't thank them enough for all the hard work in 6 DAYS!
I can't wait to see the Thane Fanbook when it's done too!

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 08 avril 2012 - 11:51 .

[utaker1988]

Yermogi wrote...

I would totally love to get into the Holding the Drell with Ridges conversation... but it's Easter. Which means that I need to try to be good today. Or at LEAST try to last out until Easter Mass is finished.

No promises for afterwards though. I'm sure God understands.

Awwww...see that is where I do not fail.  With the exception of being a bit more vocal, I have always been as I am. I think whatever it is that I believe in (I still have no clue really) would be disappointed if I changed.

[Yermogi]

utaker1988 wrote...

Yermogi wrote...

I would totally love to get into the Holding the Drell with Ridges conversation... but it's Easter. Which means that I need to try to be good today. Or at LEAST try to last out until Easter Mass is finished.

No promises for afterwards though. I'm sure God understands.

Awwww...see that is where I do not fail.  With the exception of being a bit more vocal, I have always been as I am. I think whatever it is that I believe in (I still have no clue really) would be disappointed if I changed.

Oh, I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm sure God is fine with my interests since He made me as I am, but He might be a little dissapointed if I'm focusing on a video game on the day when His son rose from the dead.

Sorry about the minor religious commentary... I'll, uh, shut up now...

But really that's something I enjoyed about Thane. He was the only character I know of who was religious. The others may have been spiritual, but he was the only one who seemed activly involved in his religion. I thought that added a great aspect to his personality.

[utaker1988]

Yermogi wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

Yermogi wrote...

I would totally love to get into the Holding the Drell with Ridges conversation... but it's Easter. Which means that I need to try to be good today. Or at LEAST try to last out until Easter Mass is finished.

No promises for afterwards though. I'm sure God understands.

Awwww...see that is where I do not fail.  With the exception of being a bit more vocal, I have always been as I am. I think whatever it is that I believe in (I still have no clue really) would be disappointed if I changed.

Oh, I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm sure God is fine with my interests since He made me as I am, but He might be a little dissapointed if I'm focusing on a video game on the day when His son rose from the dead.

Sorry about the minor religious commentary... I'll, uh, shut up now...

But really that's something I enjoyed about Thane. He was the only character I know of who was religious. The others may have been spiritual, but he was the only one who seemed activly involved in his religion. I thought that added a great aspect to his personality.

No you didn't give the wrong impression and I understand.  Trust me, I'm just a confused person.  My parents are Roman Catholic, my dad's mother was a Jehovah's Witness (even though she swore, drank, smoked, and gambled...apparently they don't like that since they kicked her out when they caught wind of her Saturday night family poker games), my brother is Baptist, my husband is Catholic, his family Christian, my daughter is really into religion and with all this around me, I still stumble in the dark.

Yes, I do understand your wanting to behave at least until Mass is over, I heard it from my Mom a lot.  She'd be doing something and I'd hear her say to my father, "Well, I'll keep my thoughts at bay and what I plan to do to you until after Church."    Not what you want to hear from your Mom...EVER.  

As for Thane, I did enjoy his talks about his beliefs as there weren't many who did talk about theirs.  

[Cosmochyck]

I liked Thane's spiritual side as well. He was never justifying it or trying to force it on anyone, it's just what he believed. Part of me thinks it's because he's trying to help his people hold on to the "old ways" instead of all the drell believing what the hanar believe.
And that scene where he prays to Amonkira (during his LM) - I just love it. He's smart and sexy all at the same time!

[Yermogi]

utaker1988 wrote...
Yes, I do understand your wanting to behave at least until Mass is over, I heard it from my Mom a lot.  She'd be doing something and I'd hear her say to my father, "Well, I'll keep my thoughts at bay and what I plan to do to you until after Church."    Not what you want to hear from your Mom...EVER.  

Oh dear Lord... That's what I think they call emotionally scarring right there. Uuugh... No offense to your parents, of course. Just the idea of MY mom saying that to MY dad... I don't even want to imagine.

[sunnie7699]

I am SHAKING with Thanemancing RAGGEE right now >

I'm having a discussion on facebook with a friend of mine who finished ME3 last week about Thane, and he has the typical response consisting of:
1. He was going to die from the start
2. A 'miracle cure' would have been a cop out
3. His illness defined him

At least he admitted that the way he died was stupid (Kai Leng stabbing him) but I proceeded to shove his points back up his ass with my reply. At least his girlfriend loved Thane too and agrees with me

[sunnie7699]

Oh, I also have to point out that he's studying medicine.

He believes Thane is defined by his illness, and he is studying med.

[utaker1988]

Yeah I've told my Mother over and over that she is the very reason I am as I am. And nobody ever believed me. I finally got my husband to believe when we spent that one week at Hampton Beach in a cottage together. Ha! Vindication....LOL. And no offense taken, I know what you mean. Trust me, I know.

[Cosmochyck]

sunnie7699 wrote...

Oh, I also have to point out that he's studying medicine.

He believes Thane is defined by his illness, and he is studying med.

Ok I have a thought - is it a GUY thing?  Most guys seem to throw this around as a valid reason for killing him off.  Most girls I know might not have romanced him but thought that it's lame to kill him just because he was dying, given all the hints dropped at potentially extending his life.  Or curing him. 

And most guys I know still play video games for the action, not the stories.  The stories are just a bonus.

And before some guy gets on here raging, I said "most", not ALL. 

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 08 avril 2012 - 01:05 .

[Jenlocks]

Cosmochyck wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...

Oh, I also have to point out that he's studying medicine.

He believes Thane is defined by his illness, and he is studying med.

Ok I have a thought - is it a GUY thing?  Most guys seem to throw this around as a valid reason for killing him off.  Most girls I know might not have romanced him but thought that it's lame to kill him just because he was dying, given all the hints dropped at potentially extending his life.  Or curing him. 

And most guys I know still play video games for the action, not the stories.  The stories are just a bonus.

And before some guy gets on here raging, I said "most", not ALL. 

maybe they're just jealous because Thane's way cooler than them..uh their shepard..they feel threatened by the sexy @sskicking drell

[utaker1988]

I go with the jealousy thing too. Thane is such a badass and look at the body...who wouldn't want to be built like that? Here is a conversation between my husband and I. I can't remember the exact words but it went something like this: If Thane were real... (me, mmmmmm), just listen if he were real would you leave me for him? I said, "well he's a badass and he just looks like he needs hugs and kisses." Then I get, "you would leave me for a lizard?" The only way I could see myself getting out of that was to say, "well, you could try and kill him, then he'd take you out and I wouldn't have to choose." Yeah, luckily he knows me and knew I was pulling his chain. But those thighs, lips, the zipper.... I don't think I'd ever have enough willpower to say No. Sad but true.

[sunnie7699]

Jenlocks wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...

Oh, I also have to point out that he's studying medicine.

He believes Thane is defined by his illness, and he is studying med.

Ok I have a thought - is it a GUY thing?  Most guys seem to throw this around as a valid reason for killing him off.  Most girls I know might not have romanced him but thought that it's lame to kill him just because he was dying, given all the hints dropped at potentially extending his life.  Or curing him. 

And most guys I know still play video games for the action, not the stories.  The stories are just a bonus.

And before some guy gets on here raging, I said "most", not ALL. 

maybe they're just jealous because Thane's way cooler than them..uh their shepard..they feel threatened by the sexy @sskicking drell

Ugh I don't know, but he still seems to think he's right. I said that there should have been an option to save him if he was romanced. And then he said 'well if there was a large piece of content like that ONLY for people that romanced him, people would be pissed off'..
WHAT. YOU JUST SAID that it would be a cop out if he LIVED. Why do you care if you could have saved him then!?!? It couldn't be THAT hard to integrate his story in with everyone's game and then only have paragon Sheps/Sheps who romanced him be able to save him. But that would require resources/effort which apparently should all be shunted into the Liara/VS romances -__- And bloody Diana Allers *shakes fist*.

[Moira-chan]

Cosmochyck wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...

Oh, I also have to point out that he's studying medicine.

He believes Thane is defined by his illness, and he is studying med.

Ok I have a thought - is it a GUY thing?  Most guys seem to throw this around as a valid reason for killing him off.  Most girls I know might not have romanced him but thought that it's lame to kill him just because he was dying, given all the hints dropped at potentially extending his life.  Or curing him. 

And most guys I know still play video games for the action, not the stories.  The stories are just a bonus.

And before some guy gets on here raging, I said "most", not ALL. 

maybe it is. maybe they don't come soo deep into the character (just because they usually play male shepards???) but i also talked to a friend of mine, who also dont understand why i'm so in love with thane.

but i'm also studying biology and cannot combine why thane is just a character because of his illness. i don't get it. well his kind of hemoglobin does not work, which is quite bad, but with a lot of fresh blood (wich CAN transport blood because of functional proteins) will bring him the time to reproduce his own blood, which was well enough before the fight to make his metabolism quite stabil.
normally every 4-5 days our whole blood is recovered from cells out of our spinal cord, so if kollyat donate blood for thane (even if it's not a lot, we don't know how much liter blood a drell body has) it would bring time to collect enough.
of course, there can be a shock and thane is debilitated, but with a strong will, everything is possible

[Cosmochyck]

Yes people seem to think if there was an OPTION to cure/save him you HAVE to do it. No you don't. It could have still played out the same if you didn't choose any of those quests/options etc.

It's a game about choice (ok it USED to be a game about choice), so just choose what works best for you and your Shep!

[utaker1988]

sunnie7699 wrote...


Ugh I don't know, but he still seems to think he's right. I said that there should have been an option to save him if he was romanced. And then he said 'well if there was a large piece of content like that ONLY for people that romanced him, people would be pissed off'..
WHAT. YOU JUST SAID that it would be a cop out if he LIVED. Why do you care if you could have saved him then!?!? It couldn't be THAT hard to integrate his story in with everyone's game and then only have paragon Sheps/Sheps who romanced him be able to save him. But that would require resources/effort which apparently should all be shunted into the Liara/VS romances -__- And bloody Diana Allers *shakes fist*.

I don't get that logic he's spewing.  People who didn't want Thane to live should not care if he gets to live nor be pissed off if they miss something on a character they want dead.  Again, it's all about their own game and no one else's.  Are people pissed off if he's already dead from ME2 and they miss out on his one convo, fight with Leng, and death scene?  Probably not.  Same concept. They would be missing content in that sense too and you ONLY get those things if he was alive.  His reasoning has failed.  He must find another way.

Modifié par utaker1988, 08 avril 2012 - 01:35 .

[Moira-chan]

le'ts see what comes out from all of this. this ist just not the end and we have to be patient. waiting for "peace" or a new storm

[Cyansomnia]

sunnie7699 wrote...

Ugh I don't know, but he still seems to think he's right. I said that there should have been an option to save him if he was romanced. And then he said 'well if there was a large piece of content like that ONLY for people that romanced him, people would be pissed off'..
WHAT. YOU JUST SAID that it would be a cop out if he LIVED. Why do you care if you could have saved him then!?!? It couldn't be THAT hard to integrate his story in with everyone's game and then only have paragon Sheps/Sheps who romanced him be able to save him. But that would require resources/effort which apparently should all be shunted into the Liara/VS romances -__- And bloody Diana Allers *shakes fist*.

I think the problem is people lack perspective.  In order to get someone who likes Kaidan to understand, I'd say 'well what if Kaidan had died on Mars?'

I know it's kinda dirty fighting, but people don't honestly care about something until it effects them or their game. I find it helps to draw them in, if you can appeal to them with something they find important.

I'm honestly getting tired of people using his disease as an excuse.  Thane is not KEPRALS.  Thane is Thane.  If he hadn't been terminally ill, he would still be an amazing and interesting character.  He would still by my favorite character.  His religion, his philosophies, his looks, his bad-assery.  None of these are changed by his illness.

None of it justifies being robbed of interacting with his character in Mass Effect 3.  If you KNEW Liara had to die, and she was your romance... wouldn't you be pissed as hell if you had no choice in the matter whatsoever, let alone sufficient time to say goodbye?

It's just.... arrrrgh.  It gets so incredibly old when you have to explain it to people over and over.  /facepalm

*hugs to Sunnie*

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 08 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[sunnie7699]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...

Ugh I don't know, but he still seems to think he's right. I said that there should have been an option to save him if he was romanced. And then he said 'well if there was a large piece of content like that ONLY for people that romanced him, people would be pissed off'..
WHAT. YOU JUST SAID that it would be a cop out if he LIVED. Why do you care if you could have saved him then!?!? It couldn't be THAT hard to integrate his story in with everyone's game and then only have paragon Sheps/Sheps who romanced him be able to save him. But that would require resources/effort which apparently should all be shunted into the Liara/VS romances -__- And bloody Diana Allers *shakes fist*.

I think the problem is people lack perspective.  In order to get someone who likes Kaidan to understand, I'd say 'well what if Kaidan had died on Mars?'

I know it's kinda dirty fighting, but people don't honestly care about something until it effects them or their game. I find it helps to draw them in, if you can appeal to them with something they find important.

I'm honestly getting tired of people using his disease as an excuse.  Thane is not KEPRALS.  Thane is Thane.  If he hadn't been terminally ill, he would still be an amazing and interesting character.  He would still by my favorite character.  His religion, his philosophies, his looks, his bad-assery.  None of these are changed by his illness.

None of it justifies being robbed of interacting with his character in Mass Effect 3.  If you KNEW Liara had to die, and she was your romance... wouldn't you be pissed as hell if you had no choice in the matter whatsoever, let alone sufficient time to say goodbye?

It's just.... arrrrgh.  It's gets so incredibly old when you have to explain it to people over and over.  /facepalm

*hugs to Sunnie*

*Hugs back tightly* I miss my Thane:'(

I think he was more concerned with the use of resources on a piece of content that only a few people could access - well that's the only way what he said would make any sense.

Now he's talking about cystic fibrosis. It's interesting that Thane's illness is always compared to cystic fibrosis when Thane has only ever talked about his body's ability to carry oxygen. Thane's illness is more like sickle-cell disease, which already has quite a significant treatment system that extends life by many years, it wouldn't make sense in the time ME is set if they DIDN'T have any sort of viable treatment for Kepral's! But then I suppose you could argue that he probably received all possible treatment already, but screw that! Bioware could have come up with something for the many fans that wanted him to live, it wouldn't have been that much of a stretch *pouts*.

I know we've been through this already many times, but it's people like him that make Bioware think everyone wanted Thane to die..

[utaker1988]

Killing him is lazy writing, finding a way to extend his life with something that makes sense is a bit more difficult but not hard. When I see stuff like this in a Mass Effect book, "The traditional health risks associated with smoking were no longer a concern in the twenty-second century; advances in the fields of chemistry and medical science had eradicated diseases like emphysema and cancer." that pretty much tells me that if they can wipe out cancer and emphysema and make it known by a simple statement with no explanation how then they can fix Thane.

People seem to be fine when they put stuff like that in the books, cloning organs for example, bringing Shep back from the dead, Miranda's dad making a genetic copy of her (Oriana) he "grew" her let's remember that, and curing the genophage. But oh no...talk about curing Thane and all hell breaks loose and it wouldn't make sense or be realistic. When has anything in Mass Effect really made sense or be realistic? It's sci-fi, it's supposed to be a bit unrealistic compared to what we are capable of now.

Sometimes I wonder if Thane is really in the Mass Effect universe because all suspension of belief and hope do not apply to him. Sounds like he is one of the few who have been dropped back a few centuries as to what can and cannot be done with his body. Just like Joker, there is no way to fix his problem either. I think once you decide that one can be rebuilt and brought back from the kind of death that occurred with Shepard, then you cannot make anything incurable. That alone does not make sense.