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[lusciousdeath]

 I think it's easier for people to swallow a lot of the things in the game that require such a huge suspension of belief because... well it happened.  If the genophage had not been cured and people were clamoring for it there would have probably been people flipping out saying it was unreasonable.
 
That being said, I have no idea why people think it's such a huge stretch to cure him.  I could possibly understand if there was no references to it at all throughout the games, but there were easy paths already within ME2 (lung transplant, medigel for lungs, and hanar cure).  So it wouldn't have even required hardly any suspension of disbelief.  

As for the medical side of it, I was more confused with the description of the disease from ME2 to ME3.  I don't remotely claim to understand alien physiology, but the description of what Kepral's Syndrome seemed to change.  In ME2 he says that due to the change from such an dry world to one so humid caused an interference between the way oxygen is absorbed by his lungs.  Alright, I can understand that.  In a human, oxygen comes in and dissolves directly through the simple squamous cells of the alveoli into the capillaries on the outside of them carrying the deoxygenated blood.  This is how the oxygen gets to the hemoglobin in order to be carried around the body.  If anything is on the the surface, it is going to interfere with the amount of oxygen getting in to the blood stream and lower your oxygen saturation.  Ok, so all the extra moisture in the air builds up in his lungs and interferes with how oxygen is transfered from the lungs into the blood.  That makes sense, just in the same way that buildup from smoking or other things interferes with the body's ability to absorb the oxygen it breaths in which leads to things like emphysema.  But when he spoke about it again in ME3 he said the hemoglobin was forming incorrectly which was causing a problem with the way oxygen binds.  That sounds like something more like sickle cell, in which case I'm not even really sure what the humidity has to do with anything in that scenario.  Maybe I missed something in it, but I just remember sitting there being confused about what exactly was the problem.  

Modifié par lusciousdeath, 08 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[Cosmochyck]

lusciousdeath wrote...

 I think it's easier for people to swallow a lot of the things in the game that require such a huge suspension of belief because... well it happened.  If the genophage had not been cured and people were clamoring for it there would have probably been people flipping out saying it was unreasonable.
 
That being said, I have no idea why people think it's such a huge stretch to cure him.  I could possibly understand if there was no references to it at all throughout the games, but there were easy paths already within ME2 (lung transplant, medigel for lungs, and hanar cure).  So it wouldn't have even required hardly any suspension of disbelief.  

As for the medical side of it, I was more confused with the description of the disease from ME2 to ME3.  I don't remotely claim to understand alien physiology, but the description of what Kepral's Syndrome seemed to change.  In ME2 he says that due to the change from such an dry world to one so humid caused an interference between the way oxygen is absorbed by his lungs.  Alright, I can understand that.  In a human, oxygen comes in and dissolves directly through the simple squamous cells of the alveoli into the capillaries on the outside of them carrying the deoxygenated blood.  This is how the oxygen gets to the hemoglobin in order to be carried around the body.  If anything is on the the surface, it is going to interfere with the amount of oxygen getting in to the blood stream and lower your oxygen saturation.  Ok, so all the extra moisture in the air builds up in his lungs and interferes with how oxygen is transfered from the lungs into the blood.  That makes sense, just in the same way that buildup from smoking or other things interferes with the body's ability to absorb the oxygen it breaths in which leads to things like emphysema.  But when he spoke about it again in ME3 he said the hemoglobin was forming incorrectly which was causing a problem with the way oxygen binds.  That sounds like something more like sickle cell, in which case I'm not even really sure what the humidity has to do with anything in that scenario.  Maybe I missed something in it, but I just remember sitting there being confused about what exactly was the problem.  

Oh you didn't miss anything.  I think the writers were confused as well.  And we know it was easier to kill him.

"Hi, I'm Thane Krios - er, I mean, Mr. Kepr Al's Syndrome, nice to meet you!"
"And in case you didn't hear me, I'm dying."
"Did I mention I'm dying? "
"How about we talk about me dying?"

There is all kinds of continuity issues from ME2 to ME3, and this is only one of them.  I get the distinct impression that when the other writer left, the new one was at a loss as to what to do with Thane, hence the "we forgot him."  And hey, he's dying so killing him will be super easy!

[Yermogi]

I finished Easter Church! NOW I can think about Thane and ridges and all that delightful stuff. Happy now!

[JECW]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Chris E'toile wrote Thane in ME2.  I'm not sure who did for ME3 - the coffee guy?  I feel like they didn't need anybody to "write" him, as his part was 9 seconds. 

I also think that if they weren't happy with the finished product, delay the launch - 2 years isn't that long in development and people would have waited for a better story.  Skryim was 5 YEARS after Oblivion, and that didn't seem to affect much!  ME2 has huge replayability and I know people who were just getting into it. 

It's just too bad they were rushed.  EA is just out to crush all the small studios - either buy and assimilate, or we destroy you!  Muahahahahahah:devil:

As for the book that Visii, Nick & Aryss put together, it had over 130 letters (our boy had the most!), and then the fan art.  It's really great and I can't thank them enough for all the hard work in 6 DAYS!
I can't wait to see the Thane Fanbook when it's done too!

I'm wondering if Thane did have a writer in ME3. Once they remembered he was an LI they probably just had some random person throw some things togeather on paper and that was it.

I would have had no problem waiting for that game.  I don't think anyone would have if it meant we could have gotten something better than what they gave us.

[Cyansomnia]

lusciousdeath wrote...

 I think it's easier for people to swallow a lot of the things in the game that require such a huge suspension of belief because... well it happened.  If the genophage had not been cured and people were clamoring for it there would have probably been people flipping out saying it was unreasonable.
 
That being said, I have no idea why people think it's such a huge stretch to cure him.  I could possibly understand if there was no references to it at all throughout the games, but there were easy paths already within ME2 (lung transplant, medigel for lungs, and hanar cure).  So it wouldn't have even required hardly any suspension of disbelief.  

As for the medical side of it, I was more confused with the description of the disease from ME2 to ME3.  I don't remotely claim to understand alien physiology, but the description of what Kepral's Syndrome seemed to change.  In ME2 he says that due to the change from such an dry world to one so humid caused an interference between the way oxygen is absorbed by his lungs.  Alright, I can understand that.  In a human, oxygen comes in and dissolves directly through the simple squamous cells of the alveoli into the capillaries on the outside of them carrying the deoxygenated blood.  This is how the oxygen gets to the hemoglobin in order to be carried around the body.  If anything is on the the surface, it is going to interfere with the amount of oxygen getting in to the blood stream and lower your oxygen saturation.  Ok, so all the extra moisture in the air builds up in his lungs and interferes with how oxygen is transfered from the lungs into the blood.  That makes sense, just in the same way that buildup from smoking or other things interferes with the body's ability to absorb the oxygen it breaths in which leads to things like emphysema.  But when he spoke about it again in ME3 he said the hemoglobin was forming incorrectly which was causing a problem with the way oxygen binds.  That sounds like something more like sickle cell, in which case I'm not even really sure what the humidity has to do with anything in that scenario.  Maybe I missed something in it, but I just remember sitting there being confused about what exactly was the problem.  

This is exactly what I thought, too.  Everything in ME3 was so contradictory to what was established in ME2...

The nature of his disease, his complete attitude shift, the resigned/flat/emotionless dialogue.

I felt like I was talking to a shadow of Thane.  Or a Thane imposter.  Not to mention my Shepard felt like an imposter, too.  All the emotion between them in ME2 had disappeared into something trivial and juvenile.

[Cosmochyck]

For those that would like to know, Michael Gamble just tweeted this on Twitter about "The Book" that was presented to them at PAX that Visii et al. worked so diligently on!!

Michael Gamble ‏on Twitter!!

@BioEvilChris @kotyhaidar I looked at it on the plane ride. Some great stuff. I'll talk about it with @CaseyDHudson on Monday.

[JECW]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

lusciousdeath wrote...

 I think it's easier for people to swallow a lot of the things in the game that require such a huge suspension of belief because... well it happened.  If the genophage had not been cured and people were clamoring for it there would have probably been people flipping out saying it was unreasonable.
 
That being said, I have no idea why people think it's such a huge stretch to cure him.  I could possibly understand if there was no references to it at all throughout the games, but there were easy paths already within ME2 (lung transplant, medigel for lungs, and hanar cure).  So it wouldn't have even required hardly any suspension of disbelief.  

As for the medical side of it, I was more confused with the description of the disease from ME2 to ME3.  I don't remotely claim to understand alien physiology, but the description of what Kepral's Syndrome seemed to change.  In ME2 he says that due to the change from such an dry world to one so humid caused an interference between the way oxygen is absorbed by his lungs.  Alright, I can understand that.  In a human, oxygen comes in and dissolves directly through the simple squamous cells of the alveoli into the capillaries on the outside of them carrying the deoxygenated blood.  This is how the oxygen gets to the hemoglobin in order to be carried around the body.  If anything is on the the surface, it is going to interfere with the amount of oxygen getting in to the blood stream and lower your oxygen saturation.  Ok, so all the extra moisture in the air builds up in his lungs and interferes with how oxygen is transfered from the lungs into the blood.  That makes sense, just in the same way that buildup from smoking or other things interferes with the body's ability to absorb the oxygen it breaths in which leads to things like emphysema.  But when he spoke about it again in ME3 he said the hemoglobin was forming incorrectly which was causing a problem with the way oxygen binds.  That sounds like something more like sickle cell, in which case I'm not even really sure what the humidity has to do with anything in that scenario.  Maybe I missed something in it, but I just remember sitting there being confused about what exactly was the problem.  

This is exactly what I thought, too.  Everything in ME3 was so contradictory to what was established in ME2...

The nature of his disease, his complete attitude shift, the resigned/flat/emotionless dialogue.

I felt like I was talking to a shadow of Thane.  Or a Thane imposter.  Not to mention my Shepard felt like an imposter, too.  All the emotion between them in ME2 had disappeared into something trivial and juvenile.

I think that was the thing for most of us.
It just didn't feel like this was the same Shepard or Thane from ME2. It's as if whoever did the writing for this romance no prior experience with this game or it's characters.

[Cosmochyck]

JECW wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

lusciousdeath wrote...

 *snips*
 

This is exactly what I thought, too.  Everything in ME3 was so contradictory to what was established in ME2...

The nature of his disease, his complete attitude shift, the resigned/flat/emotionless dialogue.

I felt like I was talking to a shadow of Thane.  Or a Thane imposter.  Not to mention my Shepard felt like an imposter, too.  All the emotion between them in ME2 had disappeared into something trivial and juvenile.

I think that was the thing for most of us.
It just didn't feel like this was the same Shepard or Thane from ME2. It's as if whoever did the writing for this romance no prior experience with this game or it's characters.

Thane was definitely out of character, but so was FemShep - most of her lines had me cringing.  I don't know what happened between ME2 & 3 for her. 

[JECW]

Cosmochyck wrote...

JECW wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

lusciousdeath wrote...

 *snips*
 

This is exactly what I thought, too.  Everything in ME3 was so contradictory to what was established in ME2...

The nature of his disease, his complete attitude shift, the resigned/flat/emotionless dialogue.

I felt like I was talking to a shadow of Thane.  Or a Thane imposter.  Not to mention my Shepard felt like an imposter, too.  All the emotion between them in ME2 had disappeared into something trivial and juvenile.

I think that was the thing for most of us.
It just didn't feel like this was the same Shepard or Thane from ME2. It's as if whoever did the writing for this romance no prior experience with this game or it's characters.

Thane was definitely out of character, but so was FemShep - most of her lines had me cringing.  I don't know what happened between ME2 & 3 for her. 

Maybe it's just me but sometimes Shepard sounded like she had a split personality. One minute she sounds sad, then she's happy, and then she has that porn voice. She seemed to be all over the place.

[IndigoWolfe]

Isn't it a little contradictory to use a direct quote from a scene that--from what I gather-- you all pretty much hate in the flagship signature for your cause?

Just asking.

[coldwetn0se]

JECW wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

JECW wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

lusciousdeath wrote...

 *snips*
 

This is exactly what I thought, too.  Everything in ME3 was so contradictory to what was established in ME2...

The nature of his disease, his complete attitude shift, the resigned/flat/emotionless dialogue.

I felt like I was talking to a shadow of Thane.  Or a Thane imposter.  Not to mention my Shepard felt like an imposter, too.  All the emotion between them in ME2 had disappeared into something trivial and juvenile.

I think that was the thing for most of us.
It just didn't feel like this was the same Shepard or Thane from ME2. It's as if whoever did the writing for this romance no prior experience with this game or it's characters.

Thane was definitely out of character, but so was FemShep - most of her lines had me cringing.  I don't know what happened between ME2 & 3 for her. 

Maybe it's just me but sometimes Shepard sounded like she had a split personality. One minute she sounds sad, then she's happy, and then she has that porn voice. She seemed to be all over the place.

BAH!!  This was actually something that was noticable from the start, for me!  The actual "personality" shift in my imported Shep.....WTF?!?!?!  I honestly wanted to grab her by the shoulders and give her a serious shake.....and I literally went up to my T.V. at one point , and "tweaked" her nose.....ok...that would actually be the TV I tweaked, but ya get da point!!  Then once I ran to that stupid place with stupid people doing stupid things (ya know....Huerta), I was stunned!  Everything was cringe worthy, and I had NO REAL CHOICES!  - neither did any of you as well.....it's not all about me....mememememememememe!  ahem....'scuse me.

After the last dialogue option you get.....EVER.....I just sat there gawking at the screen.....then the waterworks hit.  FFUUUUUUUUUU..............................................i need a nap....n' sugar.









<ridges> *for Yermogi*

[Cyansomnia]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Isn't it a little contradictory to use a direct quote from a scene that--from what I gather-- you all pretty much hate in the flagship signature for your cause?

Just asking.

 

Actually, I really liked the prayer. It was GOOD stuff in an otherwise poorly executed scene. A lot of elements in the scene were terrible, but not all of them.

It stood out and reminded me of one of the things that made his character so intriguing in the first place.  His religion.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 08 avril 2012 - 08:26 .

[Hadeedak]

There's some pretty good stuff in the Thane we got.... Which makes the bad stuff look that much worse. I liked the fight, even if my Shepard, Garrus and Javik were derping it up. "OVERLOAD HIS SHIELDS YOU FOOLS!" And some good lines.

One of my favorite moments is Shepard's "CAN I FIX IT WITH A FETCH QUEST? I WILL GET SOME DRELL BLOOD!" It's totally heartbreaking, a bit meta, and ... well, sad that for once in her life, Shepard can't fix a problem by going to do a quest. It's one of those moments that made me want to hug my Shepards through the screen. There's potential there, for sure. And then there's some tragic balldropping from the writing end that looks so much worse because of the good moments.

[Cosmochyck]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Isn't it a little contradictory to use a direct quote from a scene that--from what I gather-- you all pretty much hate in the flagship signature for your cause?

Just asking.

I agree that the prayer isn't terrible, there is just some other fundamental issues with Thane's portrayal and dialogue - or lack thereof. 

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 08 avril 2012 - 08:34 .

[Yermogi]

coldwetn0se wrote...
<ridges> *for Yermogi*

 Thank you! <3

[coldwetn0se]

Yermogi wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...
<ridges> *for Yermogi*

 Thank you! <3

Any time, my dear!

BTW; kind of a fun thread to add your .02 on, if anyone is interested.  Linkypoo!

I of course chose Thane.....wut......too obvious??

[JECW]

I voted for Thane too, but he needs more votes.

[Yermogi]

I'm reading through The Book now... It's beautiful. Really, really beautiful.

[blueshepard]

Cosmochyck wrote...

For those that would like to know, Michael Gamble just tweeted this on Twitter about "The Book" that was presented to them at PAX that Visii et al. worked so diligently on!!

Michael Gamble ‏on Twitter!!

@BioEvilChris @kotyhaidar I looked at it on the plane ride. Some great stuff. I'll talk about it with @CaseyDHudson on Monday.

Love this :happy: And I think at least one more comment for Visii, Aryss and Nick to be proud at (like all the other stuff before) Once more: the 3 of you done an amazing job (<- cheerleading smiley; NOT Harry Potter!!!! - we definately need a Thane smiley here.... xD)

Well some advertisment for the Thane Fanbook again before I am crawling to bed: I would be really happy to get some help with the introduction pages these days, so if anyone has any ideas/proposals/whatever feel free to go there:

Introduction Discussion

and share your thoughts

More spam tomorrow - too tired right now.... Have a great day/evening all of you, enjoy your (hopefully) free monday!

Ah yes one nice thought before going to bed

<ridges> One of those english words I wasn't aware of before I came here. Now my last thought in bed is:

<ridges>

for all of us! We will win this fight! We will beat the odds, because we HOLD THE DRELL!!!! Ha!

And especially for Yermogi again: <ridges>!

Modifié par yamainu1984, 08 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[Cyansomnia]

Hadeedak wrote...

There's some pretty good stuff in the Thane we got.... Which makes the bad stuff look that much worse. I liked the fight, even if my Shepard, Garrus and Javik were derping it up. "OVERLOAD HIS SHIELDS YOU FOOLS!" And some good lines.

One of my favorite moments is Shepard's "CAN I FIX IT WITH A FETCH QUEST? I WILL GET SOME DRELL BLOOD!" It's totally heartbreaking, a bit meta, and ... well, sad that for once in her life, Shepard can't fix a problem by going to do a quest. It's one of those moments that made me want to hug my Shepards through the screen. There's potential there, for sure. And then there's some tragic balldropping from the writing end that looks so much worse because of the good moments.

What's funny is I was going through the ME3 dialogue and found a line I've never heard.  I think it might be cut:

Thane:  "Siha, I had hoped we would see one another again... in less perforated circumstances."

This is on his deathbed after he's been stabbed by Kai Leng.  So, I think he was making a dry joke to try and cheer her up or something.

I kinda laughed, cause it seems in line with his brand of humor.  

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 08 avril 2012 - 11:38 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Aislinn Trista wrote...
What's funny is I was going through the ME3 dialogue and found a line I've never heard.  I think it might be cut:

Thane:  "Siha, I had hoped we would see one another again... in less perforated circumstances."

This is on his deathbed after he's been stabbed by Kai Leng.  So, I think he was making a dry joke to try and cheer her up or something.

I kinda laughed, cause it seems in line with his brand of humor.  

I can't decide if I want that to be in the game or not.  I would've laughed, then bawled 

[Yermogi]

yamainu1984 wrote...

<ridges> One of those english words I wasn't aware of before I came here. Now my last thought in bed is:

<ridges>

for all of us! We will win this fight! We will beat the odds, because we HOLD THE DRELL!!!! Ha!

And especially for Yermogi again: <ridges>!

 I will never, ever, ever be able to see that word ever again without thinking of Thane and his... uh... uhm... Yeah. Just gonna let that be. 

[coldwetn0se]

no, no,no.........NOT on second page.....yes! obnoxious bump.....bah! so sue me!

HOLD THE DRELL!!!













<ridges, bastarts>

[sunnie7699]

<ridges, ridges, ridges, ridges>








<ridges>

[coldwetn0se]

sunnie7699 wrote...

<ridges, ridges, ridges, ridges>








<ridges>

SunnieBunnie!!!!!!!!!!!!!  your naughty............................

Damn I wish I could play ME.....everytime I start up ME2 (now that Mace has Thane) I kinda just wanna cry <whine>.  So, I thought about starting up ME1.....I have Evan and Rom sitting in ME1 waiting to move forward (just before Virmire), but alas......I just don't have the heart.  I even ran the me3 demo yesterday (decided to try out Mace's facecode, and see if I could recreate Evan) it kept me occupied, but eventually it saddened me....can't play me3.  BAH!

Guess this week I will (once again) go back to DAO and DA2.........