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[Aryss0410]

Hey you guys!

Just dropping in to remind you of the new community project, The Tribute. We definitely need more contributions from Thanemancers. Please, please show your love for Thane and send in your lovely contributions!

http://social.biowar.../index/11315889

[Cosmochyck]

Your videos are always awesome Aislinn!! Can't wait! And what a great contribution!!

[Most Definitely Sane]

 Uh, hi there.
I've been lurking here since this thread started...and I finally got my game registered...So...hi.
I hate what happened to Thane's romance...And yeah...
Can I join this merry band of Thane lovers?

[JECW]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

 Uh, hi there.
I've been lurking here since this thread started...and I finally got my game registered...So...hi.
I hate what happened to Thane's romance...And yeah...
Can I join this merry band of Thane lovers?

Of course
Alwasys happy to see more Thane fans and welcome to the thread.

Modifié par JECW, 14 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[Most Definitely Sane]

JECW wrote...

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

 Uh, hi there.
I've been lurking here since this thread started...and I finally got my game registered...So...hi.
I hate what happened to Thane's romance...And yeah...
Can I join this merry band of Thane lovers?

Of course
Alwasys happy to see more Thane fans and welcome to the thread.

Great! Thank you for having me!

[ArcticNova]

Yeah I feel really bad for anyone who romanced Thane. His death was the hardest for me even though he wasn't my LI.

And at least you got a little closure with Thane dying... People who romanced Jacob find out he's with some other girl and they're having a baby! Now THAT is a slap in the face.

[sirisaacx]

Hey guys. So I've never romanced Thane, though I plan to on my next runthrough of the series. That having been said, I LOVED his character arc if you were his bro. There are layers of depth there. He went out putting himself between an assassin and a target, much like his wife who "woke him from his battle sleep." Fitting that not only would he go out this way, but also pray for Shepard in his dying breaths, trying to salvage a killer's soul as his wife once did for him. Additionally, he goes out heroically, his body and soul as one, fighting with his body for his own ideals, something he has always struggled with.

That being said, is curing his disease really the best way to go? I think it would be much more fitting for him to want to make the most out of his last moments rather than resigning himself to his fate. I think he should get more screentime and a better romance. I think his death scene should be slightly different (although still retain a lot of the original for reasons I stated above) but one interesting aspect of his character was his ticking clock. Do you guys really want to remove that?

I think it would be better to give him more content, but work around him thwarting kai leng's assassination attempt. Keep that in. Let him die. I think that his death should always be an integral part of his arc.

[RShara]

Hi SirIsaacx! Now that you're here, please read the very first post of this thread for the details of why we're dissatisfied It puts everything very clearly

[sirisaacx]

RShara wrote...

Hi SirIsaacx! Now that you're here, please read the very first post of this thread for the details of why we're dissatisfied It puts everything very clearly

I read it all before I posted, and I agree with almost all the points presented, save the idea that a cure should be given to Thane. If there was ever a character who deserved an incredibly well done bittersweet conclusion, it was him. And the change in tone of his ME2 self to his ME3 self is worrysome, but I feel like they could have him embrace life and still go out heroically in the end, no? Modifications to his death would have to be made for the continuity of the romance, but I still think Thane should die. And while the OP views events of ME2 as foreshadowing, I saw it as a message of the futility of staving off the inevitable. I think ME2 foreshadows Thane will die more than that he will survive. 


I could go on, but my core point is this: Thane being essentially on borrowed time for ME2 and ME3 presents a unique chance to have a romance arc that ends in the death of your LI. This could be incredibly bittersweet and poignant, or, as it is now, flat and horrible. Bioware botched the execution, but I think there remains something in the concept.

[RShara]

Some people want a bittersweet ending to Thane's romance, and others want the option to prolong it. I personally want to be able to cure, or at least prolong his life. But the choice should have been there either way. It would have been like, one cutscene of him living, and maybe two conversations (one with him living, then the last one before the Conduit run) to give us what we want.

Just the CHOICE so that we can play the way we want Shepard to go, that's all!

[sirisaacx]

RShara wrote...

Some people want a bittersweet ending to Thane's romance, and others want the option to prolong it. I personally want to be able to cure, or at least prolong his life. But the choice should have been there either way. It would have been like, one cutscene of him living, and maybe two conversations (one with him living, then the last one before the Conduit run) to give us what we want.

Just the CHOICE so that we can play the way we want Shepard to go, that's all!

Fair enough. How would this choice work, though? For instance, I want a bittersweet ending, lets say. If offered the ability to cure him though, the credibility of that choice goes out the window. It's bittersweet because there's nothing you can do for Thane. I'm definitely open to the option of Thane surviving, and there are a lot of people who want that as an option. But I feel like intentionally not curing Thane would make Shepard just seem like a jerk, instead of someone who cared deeply for Thane but was futile to help him. Again, I'd love the choice! I But I hope Bioware finds a way to write around this so both endings to the romance are viable and satisfying. 

EDIT: I'm off to bed for tonight, but I'll check back here tomorrow. I'm especially interested to see if you have any ways around my conundrum. I haven't been able to solve it myself.

Modifié par sirisaacx, 14 avril 2012 - 10:13 .

[RShara]

Here ya go
Thane Progression Flowchart

Not easy, and not cheap, but possible.

[sirisaacx]

RShara wrote...

Here ya go
Thane Progression Flowchart

Not easy, and not cheap, but possible.

Awesome, thanks! I'll take a look tomorrow. 

[Saodade]

utaker1988 wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...



Hmm. If Kolyat takes the cabin... <imagines Thane and Shepard moving into Life Support and being forced to share the tiny cot>

Me Gusta.

Oh dear and if that noise she makes in the hospital is any indication of what she'd do to him, I don't see the cot lasting very long.    

the desk is larger

[sunnie7699]

Saodade wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...



Hmm. If Kolyat takes the cabin... <imagines Thane and Shepard moving into Life Support and being forced to share the tiny cot>

Me Gusta.

Oh dear and if that noise she makes in the hospital is any indication of what she'd do to him, I don't see the cot lasting very long.    

the desk is larger

.. The floor is even larger :innocent:

[utaker1988]

sunnie7699 wrote...


.. The floor is even larger :innocent:

Toss everyone out the airlock except Joker, EDI, Shep, and Thane then they have the whole ship to use.  Imagine the look on Joker's face when he sits down to eat and realizes what just happened 10 minutes ago on the Mess Hall table.    Or worse, he goes to bed and wakes up to find Thane and Shep in the pilot's seat.    

Joker:  
Shep:  We were just...
Joker:  
Thane:  Getting ready to fire the main gun...
Joker:  

[Saodade]

Joker: Soo.. Thane...The super memory thing of Drells... usefull wwith ladies right ?
Thane...
Joker: come on I KNOW you reminisce when she isn't around...
Thane: I feel her skin so soft under my fingers, her breath accelerating. The leather's scent melt with hers...
Joker: Hu..what? Leather? LEATHER ? what the ....(bounce from his seat)
EDI: I just transfered the 500 credits on your account Mr. Krios, he took less than 10 seconds to react about this...
Thane: (tip head politely with a tiny smirk) Thanks EDI.

[sunnie7699]

Saodade wrote...

Joker: Soo.. Thane...The super memory thing of Drells... usefull wwith ladies right ?
Thane...
Joker: come on I KNOW you reminisce when she isn't around...
Thane: I feel her skin so soft under my fingers, her breath accelerating. The leather's scent melt with hers...
Joker: Hu..what? Leather? LEATHER ? what the ....(bounce from his seat)
EDI: I just transfered the 500 credits on your account Mr. Krios, he took less than 10 seconds to react about this...
Thane: (tip head politely with a tiny smirk) Thanks EDI.

Hahaha, at first I was thinking Thane's leather, but then I realised what you were talking about Nice!

[sunnie7699]

utaker1988 wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...


.. The floor is even larger :innocent:

Toss everyone out the airlock except Joker, EDI, Shep, and Thane then they have the whole ship to use.  Imagine the look on Joker's face when he sits down to eat and realizes what just happened 10 minutes ago on the Mess Hall table.    Or worse, he goes to bed and wakes up to find Thane and Shep in the pilot's seat.    

Joker:  
Shep:  We were just...
Joker:  
Thane:  Getting ready to fire the main gun...
Joker:  

Hehehe,, it would be totally worth it.. for the <ridges>

[Hisilome]

Saodade wrote...

Joker: Soo.. Thane...The super memory thing of Drells... usefull wwith ladies right ?
Thane...
Joker: come on I KNOW you reminisce when she isn't around...
Thane: I feel her skin so soft under my fingers, her breath accelerating. The leather's scent melt with hers...
Joker: Hu..what? Leather? LEATHER ? what the ....(bounce from his seat)
EDI: I just transfered the 500 credits on your account Mr. Krios, he took less than 10 seconds to react about this...
Thane: (tip head politely with a tiny smirk) Thanks EDI.

LOL I also thought Thane's leather at first and then realised what you meant!!

EDI developing bad habits too...betting,lol, and against Joker, to boot!

Fic updated-I was a bit late, sigh- over here:
http://www.fanfictio...7/4/Deliverance

Modifié par Hisilome, 14 avril 2012 - 01:20 .

[utaker1988]

Awwww.......



Cameron's not the only perv.....

 

Just look at his eyes....



The things Shep was robbed from in ME3.

[mikeloeven]

I am going to agree with the OP . while in my playthrough thane was not a love interest he was a very interesting character and also very usefull as a squadmate in certain situations. having him die in me3 dispite all the foreshadowing was like the ending leaving you thinking you made a difference and than sucker punching you with inevitable bull**** that really servers no purpose other than to make you depressed. at least when they killed off mordin they had him go out in a blaze of glory where as thane went out with a fizzle unbefitting of his character

[stysiaq]

Great flowchart, should be sent to BioWare to remind them that we care.

Also, re-match with Kai Leng, and Thane showing that he indeed is the best assassin in the universe.

[Julia_xo]

@Utaker I am loving those screencaps. The second one made me laugh out loud and the other two had my heart all a flutter.

@ sirisaacx Thank you so much for keeping an open mind. I personally think giving fans the option to find a cure or treatment for Thane would have been best. It would have added to the replayability of the game. Does the fact that you can save Mordin in one playthrough detract from the poignancy or impact of his death in a different playthrough? I don't think so. It just gives incentive for players to replay the game and explore different options and outcomes.

BW failed to make Thane's death matter. He died and was promptly forgotten about. Thane was a love interest and to force his death in a manner that is so unsatisfying with little to no emotion was upsetting to the people who cared about his character. My Shepard romanced him and I felt like she was indifferent to him. When I saw Miranda's death scene (which is optional) it made me even sadder because BW took her romance into account and made it emotional and gave closure to the relationship. The characters got to express their feelings (I love you) and share a final kiss. With Thane, the romance was barely acknowledged so it felt very incomplete and like the story just got cut off. There was no closure, in my opinion. It was badly handled and I did not like the character inconsistency. They ignored Thane's character development and I felt like nothing my Shepard did made any difference or had any impact. It was immensely frustrating, to say the least.

@mikeloeven Thanks for the support! I agree with you. The majority of Thane's screentime in ME3 was comprised of staring out a hospital window, resigned to death. The fight with Kai Leng just sped up the process, then it was back to the hospital to die. That's it. It really upset me that was the extent of his little cameo. Thane was more than his illness. Depending on how you interact with him in ME2 (loyalty/romance) he has a stronger will to live and make the most of the time he has. In ME3 that is all forgotten. I think his character deserved better than that. He had options. Players should have been given a choice to make a difference regarding his fate.

[coldwetn0se]

So I have been playing DA2 during my freetime, for the past two days.  Just needed some elf time *winks at Fenris*; still trying to distance myself (game wise) from me3.  I have felt the need to do that, since everytime I pick up ME2, I only last for a mission and a round of dialogue, before I start my own version of "Drell Memory".....urgh!! *crush*

Anyway, so I am playing DA2, and I start considering something.  Thane was nearly given a "martyr" trope, but without ACTUALLY becoming a martyr.  Take Anders for a second (pah-lease, take him...*ba-doom-CH*); his life even before Justice was not exactly rosy.  Taken from his home, rumored abuses, on the run, ya get the point...  A lot of martyrs in stories have troubled pasts, since it is easier to understand someone doing something so "righteous" and selfless to (hopefully) better others, if the character in question is already on a destructive path (even if it wasn't of their doing).  Even though it would seem even MORE sacrificing of someone to opt to become a martyr if they came from a happy, stable life, it isn't very relatable.  Happy, stable people, even if they are not ignorant of the woes of the world, don't generally give up that kind of life.  Even when some do, a lot of people (for better or worse) react with a.....hmmmm....how to put it.......a lack of 'getting it'.  Life is hard enough for most, to imagine giving up something good for what could potentially amount to nothing, seems to far fetched. Besides, all martyrdom is a gamble.  A martyr MAY not hit their mark....and they are simply forgotten and lose their martyr status. 

Ok, totally went off on a tangent, and now regretting that third cup o' joe
To the point:  Thane had a childhood stolen, a wife murdered, a son estranged, a terminal illness, and a resolution to make the galaxy a better place than when he lived in it.  However, his arc is changed by meeting Shepard, and through those actions, life becomes worth living.  But in the last game, he abandons that for his old way of thinking, but WITHOUT any real conviction.  When the poorly executed Kia Leng fight comes, it's as though they are trying to force this martyr badge on him, but again, without an actual cause to his "fight".  Shepard didn't NEED him to do this (even gameplay mechanics prove this; i.e. Kirahee, death of Salarian Councilor, Kia Leng's plot armor...), nor does it change anything of grand importance.  So, by the time we get to the 'deathbed' scene, everything feels completely contrived.  So for those that really like Thane (and found his character to be plenty rich without EVERY motha-truckin angsty piece o' ***t thrown at him) it all falls flat.  As if for naught.  And, like so many martyr wannabees (note: I don't believe his original writer wanted/or saw him as a martyr), he is forgotten.....literally!!!!

A choice to extend/save his life, and more thought and continuity to his character arc (especially romanced/friended), is what I had believed we would get......and we certainly did not.  All I can hope is that this gets addressed eventually, but I don't have a lot of faith of us getting that. 

Bah.....wall o' (incoherent) text....... I blame a bad week and too much coffee........I think I need to write some PDS....need to switch out coffee for bourbon.....Hell, it's nearly 11am here; I must be 'parched'.