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[Cyansomnia]

The Angry One wrote...

I've never romanced Thane as I'm not that into frogs. *dodges brick*
Still I have been increasingly annoyed as I've observed this whole mess. Personally I figured BioWare would do something like this and was trolling Thane fans all along, but it gives me no pleasure to be proved right.

One argument that really gets me is that Thane has to die for narrative purposes, and I think that's rubbish.
I could say the same for Miranda, and yet the option to save her is there. I see no reason why Thane must die to the cereal assassin. Hell, the wound isn't even fatal by itself.

So yeah while it doesn't affect me directly, as a staunch FemShep player I support this..

Thanks!  I feel the same way.  It does feel like they were trolling us, which makes me incredibly un-amused.

Even if Bioware does release more content for Thane and the other neglected romances, I'm still reserving judgement. They've genuinely lost my trust and respect, in regards to how they've handled this.

In essence, they'd have to do something pretty spectacular to earn said trust back.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 16 avril 2012 - 08:57 .

[coldwetn0se]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I've never romanced Thane as I'm not that into frogs. *dodges brick*
Still I have been increasingly annoyed as I've observed this whole mess. Personally I figured BioWare would do something like this and was trolling Thane fans all along, but it gives me no pleasure to be proved right.

One argument that really gets me is that Thane has to die for narrative purposes, and I think that's rubbish.
I could say the same for Miranda, and yet the option to save her is there. I see no reason why Thane must die to the cereal assassin. Hell, the wound isn't even fatal by itself.

So yeah while it doesn't affect me directly, as a staunch FemShep player I support this..

Thanks!  I feel the same way.  It does feel like they were trolling us, which makes me incredibly un-amused.

Even if Bioware does release more content for Thane and the other neglected romances, I'm still reserving judgement. They've genuinely lost my trust and respect, in regards to how they've handled this.

In essence, they'd have to do something pretty spectacular to earn said trust back.

Bolded for point.  That is exactly why I think myself (and others) are to the point where cure/life extention and a well thought out recognition of the romance arc, are the only way for me to buy any/new content.  I have never been one to think like this, but that is how disgruntled I have become over this game and especially the treatment of Thane.

Oh, and whether or not they actually do it, is entirely up to them (bw).  But, I will NOT personally spend any money on something that makes me feel bad (already did that once).  Just silly for me to do so.

[mnomaha]

Sneaking in while at work...

I agree. I haven't even loaded up Origin to get the latest crash, er patch. I'm just not interested until they either fix it or address it (at the very bottom of an endless pit minimum). And they should address it, IMO they NEED to fix it. It was not good writing, good storytelling or really anything good that I can even think about.

[utaker1988]

Maybe I should make it clear that I will NOT be pleased if their fix involved a tiny patch with an "I love you" thrown in during his death scene, some photoshopped tears, a proper flashback scene at the end and then an achievement pops up. At this point...Oh hell NO!! It still does not take away the cruel words of Shep, "I'm here to see Kaidan" nor does it take away that she acts like he was nothing more than a piece of azz. FemShep was discriminated against in my eyes and that is unacceptable to me. If I wanted to be treated like I was less important than a man, I would have stayed with my ex husband. I don't need that slapped in my face in a game that had basically treated me as an equal up until ME3.

Thane's romance is not the only issue I have with ME3, it's nearly all the romances (from what I've read). From the beginning they shoved the fact you could romance and it would be good, then at the end they yank it all away. Sorry but you cannot do that to those who trusted you. Well you can but you really shouldn't. The ending was garbage, it went against everything all of our Shepard's were. We questioned everything, we told you to go to hell if we didn't like what you had to say and then at the end we are just supposed to bend over and take the word of something we've been trying to destroy for years? Where is the logic in that? You hand us characters we care about and then at the last minute, destroy them all? It was the Garrus's, the Tali's, the Wrex's, Samara's, Thane's, etc, we came to know and love and at the end you want us to feel for nameless, faceless people on a planet that a good portion of us care little about because the game was NEVER about the trillions on Earth...until ME3. Sorry, I care about the races and faces I've met in the past 5 years. In the grand scheme of things, the galaxy as a whole is more important for me to save than ONE planet. I felt nothing for Earth.

You took away our dialogue choices,we had some but nearly what we were accustomed too. And we were supposed to like it? I didn't appreciate my mourning Shepard to make some rude remark to James while he was getting his tattoo and mention of private areas. WTF!!! I'd never say that and if given a choice, Cameron sure the hell wouldn't say it while she was mourning the only man she ever loved. The graphical problems are obvious...clipping, the Shep/Thane hand thing (WTF, she can't even touch him now?), face import problems, cutscenes that sometimes caused my whole game and Xbox to freeze completely, and Shep just looked a little too cartoonish on my end.

Multiplayer, now is NOT the time to introduce such a thing. Try AFTER the game had been released then announce to your fans that you are adding multiplayer as a means to extend the playing power of your game.

This is completely selfish but I'm sorry you do not make a game to specifically cater to new players when it is the last darn game in Shepard's story. If people really wanted to play the Mass Effect series, don't you think they would have started already? I don't want to be a complete troll but this game sucks. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone I liked, at least. Two+ years waiting for this...this, atrocity and insult to my time and intelligence. I loved this series, this galaxy, these characters so much I would have waited another year or two even if it meant I could love it and play it endless number of times like I do ME2 and DA:O.

I will be in Life Support, doing body shots off Thane, come join me...I don't wanna be alone.

[mnomaha]

I just FLU utaker. I know I've said it before...but it had to be said again!!!

[Niemalna]

I understand that they wanted to get a wider "audience" by attracting new players, but I think adding MP with the SP was a (although conventional) mistake. If not to make the campaign better (as it IS the LAST game), then for more money. Because many new players will want to go back and play ME1/2 (whether before or after completing ME3), which would give Bioware plenty of time to work on some kind of DLC/expansion thing to introduce multiplayer. Just use that nice little computer at the main menu to announce that you're working on it. Theeeen, people will go get the first two games. With MP already up, a lot of people just play that and never bother to go back and buy the other 2 games. lol

I like MP. I played it when the demo came out, since the SP was rather short/lackluster to me. But I definitely could have waited for it. And then maybe the campaign would be better so I'd be more interested in getting on ME3 and playing the MP, as I (and many others) haven't since being so disappointed.

[Niemalna]

What can underagers do while you guys enjoy the body shots, other than sit in envy? haha

What good has come of this whole let down? I went to my "Special Video Games" box to get out ME2 for a replay (sadly the only CE I have ever owned is not present...) and found MediEvil for PS1. :DD Goin' back to my childhood.

[utaker1988]

The underagers? Oh yeah, I forgot that some of us may not be a dirty old lady like myself.     

Body shots off Thane, now I have this mental image of him lining up tequila shots and putting on this  while doing this.....



  Thaneeeeeeeee!!!!   

[sunnie7699]

utaker1988 wrote...

The underagers? Oh yeah, I forgot that some of us may not be a dirty old lady like myself.     

Body shots off Thane, now I have this mental image of him lining up tequila shots and putting on this  while doing this.....



  Thaneeeeeeeee!!!!   

God I frakin' love that gif haha

[RShara]

Nope. The writers didn't care enough to give him a decent story arc and/or forgot about him.
Thane's fate is analogous to the ending in that it was poorly written and full of plotholes, but I don't think they influenced each other any more than that.

Although we do kinda take comfort in the fact that if our Shepard dies, she and Thane are together in the afterlife, laughing at the rest of the galaxy

Edit to add:  Also, the really pissing thing is, that BW might "fix" the endings, but Thane fans are probably still screwed.

Modifié par RShara, 17 avril 2012 - 01:05 .

[coldwetn0se]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

Hello Thanemancers,

First off I'd like to say I'm a fan of Thanes.  I never did romance him (I only play MaleShep). Before ME3 was released I was hoping he would get a cure.  I read a lot of Thane letters in the recent Support LI book or whatever it was called. Most of you IF not all have finished ME3.  All the endings are rather dark and depressing and present little happiness.  The mass relays are gone, Shepard dies etc.


My question is, do any of you guys think that the ending influenced Thane's fate? Thane is a special case because of his illness.  Could a writer have said "Since the endings aren't very happy/universe is screwed......I don't see a point in saving Thane."


I personally think the endings did play a part in Thane's fate. Hypothetically speaking, lets says the endings were happy.  The crucible instantly shutdown all Reapers, no mass relays destroyed and Shepard lives. Then I could see a writer say "The endings are hopeful and happy,  Shepard is able to retire and live with his/her own LI. I now see a point in curing Thane."


So do you guys think the depressing ending influenced the decision on whether or not Thane gets a cure?

I don't believe so, no.  Patrick Weekes already admitted that they dropped the ball with Thane, and kinda forgot he was a LI (if you look through this thread, you will find screenshots of his post on this subject on LiveJournal...I am obviously paraphasing here).  Also, the official Guidebook doesn't even list him as a LI.  Even Jacob got listed as one, even though they also state in the book that the romance is not continued in ME3.  He's not even listed in the Guidebook as a Person of Interest, but someone like Kahlee Sanders is.....bah!  And a few other bullet points:

*Thane is not listed in the in-game Codex under Known Associates
*Thane is not mentioned by any other squadmate as being dead/or romanced by Shepard.
*Thane, even if alive after ME2, can be missed/skipped, and the Kia Leng fight will default to Kirahee if alive, or the    
  Salarian Councilor will die.  It is assumed that Thane basically dies off-screen from Kepral's....never to be 
  mentioned again.  
*All romance dialogue (which is a very, very small amount) appears to be mostly tacked on.  This is also assumed (literally) because he is not in the Guidebook as a LI.  Dialogue is nearly identical to a non-romanced Thane.
*He does NOT qualify for the Paramour Achievement. Neither Thane or Jacob do, and they both did in ME2.

All of these along with the fact that his character arc AND Shepards when romanced together, are COMPLETELY disregarded.  Basically, they are written OUT of the game.  Most of us foolishly believed we would get a choice to help save our chosen LI.  Or, that he would be granted character autonomy if romanced with a successful LM, and he would choose himself to get the lung transplant or use another in-game proceedure (i.e. Eupulmos device, Hanar cure developes in time......) during the six months Shepard is detained on Earth. 

Silly, silly Thanemancers......trolololololol


*Editted for wrong information*

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 17 avril 2012 - 03:04 .

[Laser-Eyes]

Yea, we got screwed The more I think about it, the sadder I get and I don't know if they will ever fix it... that makes me even sadder :*(

Want to hear a funny story? Shortly after I beat ME3, I had a doctor's appointment. I left that appointment with antidepressants, lol. It was a trial run to help treat a physical condition, but I like to joke that my doctor knew how sad I was about Thane and ME3 lol.

[utaker1988]

I wish I were back on Paxil and Klonopin after playing ME3. That is saying a lot considering I didn't find being emotionally numb and a zombie all that fun but right now I would take that over this feeling of emptiness, rage, despair I feel over this. I have to give BioWare that, it took them less than 30 hours to make me feel like this, it took my abusive ex husband years to make me feel like that.

You know what is sad? I'm not the only one who feels like this, I've seen enough posts, talked to enough people to know that some are seriously depressed over the whole thing. It boggles my mind how one game can do this to a number of people. WTF...that is not the kind of emotions you want to stir in people.

We fell in love with this series, the characters and we put our faith and trust into BW to do the right thing because face it, we were loyal and we loved them. That is like having your boyfriend of 5 years tell you he bought an engagement ring, you are excited, finally, he loves me, is ready to commit to me and then you flippin find out, that yes he is ready to get married..to your BEST friend! Oh the betrayal!

[coldwetn0se]

That's why my motto is "Wine is fine, but liquor is quicker!"

Actually, I like da wine just fine....
I tend to use humor (as many of you do to) to aid in the depression, but it unfortunately isn't enough. I have no doubt that eventually we will start to normalize. The pity of it is; we might not bother with games like this again....or at least be very cautious. Of course I would never say never, but............

[utaker1988]

Yes, liquor is quicker especially when it happens to be my other favorite men, Captain Morgan and Jose Cuervo. Or Buttery Nipple....mmmmmm....Buttershots and Irish Creme. I might still have some of that left. I remember one night I was with my friend Mr. Cpt. Morgan and I decided to play ME2. OMG....I was on Tuchanka by the Normandy shuttle and I kept trying to get Shep to stand next to Thane, well you know he likes to dodge away if you get too close. I started yelling, "y u no want Shepppperrrdddd!! Come here froggie, gimme dem leggs!!!" I know I started yelling loud enough that my old man came in with his camera phone, damn him. For days, he'd play this clip of me yelling, "Come here Thane, Me love you loonnnngggggg time!!" I wanted to kill him.

Modifié par utaker1988, 17 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[RShara]

Kelly doesn't actually unlock paramour

[coldwetn0se]

utaker1988 wrote...

Yes, liquor is quicker especially when it happens to be my other favorite men, Captain Morgan and Jose Cuervo. Or Buttery Nipple....mmmmmm....Buttershots and Irish Creme. I might still have some of that left. I remember one night I was with my friend Mr. Cpt. Morgan and I decided to play ME2. OMG....I was on Tuchanka by the Normandy shuttle and I kept trying to get Shep to stand next to Thane, well you know he likes to dodge away if you get too close. I started yelling, "y u no want Shepppperrrdddd!! Come here froggie, gimme dem leggs!!!" I know I started yelling loud enough that my old man came in with his camera phone, damn him. For days, he'd play this clip of me yelling, "Come here Thane, Me love you loonnnngggggg time!!" I wanted to kill him.

Dammit utaker!!  How do our husbands put up with our sorry drunken azzez....I do the same s**t!  Last night, in fact, I kept pushing Fenris up against the walls (making him collision avoid) so he would get stuck there...."Now ya luv me, dontcha. Keep your skinny arse still, ya damn elf!"  And seriously, the names I end up call these beloved lil' toons.....well, you've seen a few of them in my PDS dialogues, but they get even a bit more colorful than that.

I think we need to invite Mr. Jack Daniels and Mr. Jose Cuervo for a festive night of dwarf tossing...."comere ya little blighters!  Dammit Varric, your too sober.....why you no be like Ogrhen.  Now THAT'S a proper dwarf....!"

......poor Varric.....

[coldwetn0se]

RShara wrote...

Kelly doesn't actually unlock paramour

woops, my bad...I'll amend the list.  Could have sworn somebody found out that she does, but totally second (or third, fourth, fifth....) hand information.  Thanks Shara.

[RShara]

Yeah I saw it and was pissed, but it was disproved and I calmed down

[JECW]

coldwetn0se wrote...

RShara wrote...

Kelly doesn't actually unlock paramour

woops, my bad...I'll amend the list.  Could have sworn somebody found out that she does, but totally second (or third, fourth, fifth....) hand information.  Thanks Shara.

I thought someone said that she did.
The other things you listed are true.

Modifié par JECW, 17 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[bloodtallow]

utaker1988 wrote...
You hand us characters we care about and then at the last minute, destroy them all? It was the Garrus's, the Tali's, the Wrex's, Samara's, Thane's, etc, we came to know and love and at the end you want us to feel for nameless, faceless people on a planet that a good portion of us care little about because the game was NEVER about the trillions on Earth...until ME3. Sorry, I care about the races and faces I've met in the past 5 years. In the grand scheme of things, the galaxy as a whole is more important for me to save than ONE planet. I felt nothing for Earth. 

Absolutely this.

My spacer Shepard didn't care about Earth. She cared that Anderson was there, but that was it. And yet, every time someone asked Shepard what was wrong, she (not MY Shep) told them that she was angry about Earth being ravaged and was working hard to get back and defend it. Sorry, no. MY Shep cared about Palaven, and Thessia, and the Geth who just got shot out of the sky, and Thane, her one true love drowning in a hospital bed, exactly where he NEVER wanted to die.

I feel like dialogue got crunched down quite a bit, and that the "Shepard origin stories" got blended into one generic storyline. Which unfortunately took out the wonderful nuances, and a lot of the personal choice of the first two games. I would love to play a game with those choices put back in, where my Spacer can really say what she feels, about the Reapers, the war, and Thane, and not get edited for time.

Edit: Yeah. Party in Life Support! I'm bringing margaritas, even if I am really late to the party.

Modifié par bloodtallow, 17 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[coldwetn0se]

bloodtallow wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...
You hand us characters we care about and then at the last minute, destroy them all? It was the Garrus's, the Tali's, the Wrex's, Samara's, Thane's, etc, we came to know and love and at the end you want us to feel for nameless, faceless people on a planet that a good portion of us care little about because the game was NEVER about the trillions on Earth...until ME3. Sorry, I care about the races and faces I've met in the past 5 years. In the grand scheme of things, the galaxy as a whole is more important for me to save than ONE planet. I felt nothing for Earth. 

Absolutely this.

My spacer Shepard didn't care about Earth. She cared that Anderson was there, but that was it. And yet, every time someone asked Shepard what was wrong, she (not MY Shep) told them that she was angry about Earth being ravaged and was working hard to get back and defend it. Sorry, no. MY Shep cared about Palaven, and Thessia, and the Geth who just got shot out of the sky, and Thane, her one true love drowning in a hospital bed, exactly where he NEVER wanted to die.

I feel like dialogue got crunched down quite a bit, and that the "Shepard origin stories" got blended into one generic storyline. Which unfortunately took out the wonderful nuances, and a lot of the personal choice of the first two games. I would love to play a game with those choices put back in, where my Spacer can really say what she feels, about the Reapers, the war, and Thane, and not get edited for time.

Hear, hear!!  Well said. 

[sunnie7699]

coldwetn0se wrote...

bloodtallow wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...
You hand us characters we care about and then at the last minute, destroy them all? It was the Garrus's, the Tali's, the Wrex's, Samara's, Thane's, etc, we came to know and love and at the end you want us to feel for nameless, faceless people on a planet that a good portion of us care little about because the game was NEVER about the trillions on Earth...until ME3. Sorry, I care about the races and faces I've met in the past 5 years. In the grand scheme of things, the galaxy as a whole is more important for me to save than ONE planet. I felt nothing for Earth. 

Absolutely this.

My spacer Shepard didn't care about Earth. She cared that Anderson was there, but that was it. And yet, every time someone asked Shepard what was wrong, she (not MY Shep) told them that she was angry about Earth being ravaged and was working hard to get back and defend it. Sorry, no. MY Shep cared about Palaven, and Thessia, and the Geth who just got shot out of the sky, and Thane, her one true love drowning in a hospital bed, exactly where he NEVER wanted to die.

I feel like dialogue got crunched down quite a bit, and that the "Shepard origin stories" got blended into one generic storyline. Which unfortunately took out the wonderful nuances, and a lot of the personal choice of the first two games. I would love to play a game with those choices put back in, where my Spacer can really say what she feels, about the Reapers, the war, and Thane, and not get edited for time.

Hear, hear!!  Well said. 

Agreed!

[Emeraldfern]

Yeah, I'm doing fanart to cope with all of my Thane FEELS... and also discussing the dissatisfaction I have with ME3 with my brother helps. His sympathy is very nice at times like these.

Actually he did something hilarious that was somewhat Thane related and it made my day

But about the endings influencing Thane's fate, I don't think that is the case. Mac Walters (The lead writer) wrote the ending on his own and rather late in the development time.
That is if my memory serves right.
However, I don't know who wrote Thane in ME3, but I have a hard time believing Walters was his author in ME3.

@Bloodtallow

I agree 100%, my Shepard was also a Spacer, and damn it why didn't her background matter at all in ME3?

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 17 avril 2012 - 03:30 .