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Hi all.  I've been lurking this thread (and forum) for some time but generally shy away from becoming actively involved in fandoms these days.  Too many horrible memories, lol.  I fear I'm a tiny bit out of the loop but I felt it at least important to voice my full support here.  I've been having a bit of a hard time getting over my disappointments around Mass Effect 3 but I thought that maybe I should talk to some like-minded peeps.

I won't repeat what's already been said, because essentially I feel the same. I came into Mass Effect sort of late as my friend essentially forced ME and ME2 into my hands and all but had a gun to my head if I didn't buy them.  Well I did, and here I am.  I don't regret those dollars spent, but I'm now left feeling very unfulfilled. I had so many expectations built up for ME3.. and well... hmmm.  A lot of the game is amazing, but my thoughts on certain aspects of it (the ending, the treatment of the ME2 characters... Thane...) are really ruining it for me.

Admittedly, Garrus was my femshep's first LI, and I purposely avoided talking to Kaiden in ME and even voluntarily left him behind on Virmire because I'm evil like that. I just didn't want to deal with him. I was saving myself for the boys in ME2.  My boys of course being Garrus and Thane.  I was always intrigued by Thane and always wanted to do a playthrough to see how his story played out because I liked him. I'd also be lying if I said that I didn't find him appealing in all aspects... so Mission Accomplished BioWare.  Now that I've sort of finished ME3 with my Garrus playthrough (I'm sitting at the Cerberus mission... waiting for the Extended Cut because I don't want that to be tarnished by what I've already seen of the ending), I just don't even know if I have the energy to go back and finish my Thane LI ME2 playthrough.  I know what happens, and I don't know if I can bring myself to put my Shepard through it (and myself by extension). I was depressed when Mordin died, and I was depressed when Thane died, and my Shep didn't even romance him on that playthrough.   I'm so weirdly emotional that way. I was satisfied with how Garrus' LI story played out, and even found myself grinning and blushing like a silly school girl with a crush every time we had or "moments."  I was hoping to have those same moments with Thane... but that doesn't happen.  

Any way I can help lend my voice, I'd love to.  Now... I just feel the need to write my own fanfic to dull the pain. :crying:

Modifié par Arceecola, 20 avril 2012 - 07:06 .


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I know, I know - nearly all of you got it as PM until now, but perhaps there are some people reading in here who haven't seen it until now :)

Hello :-)

Well I just wanted to remind every member of the Thane Fanbook group that we haven’t much time left. So I want to ask you again personally to take part in the project, it would help a lot! There are a lot different things you can do:

Write your information to the “support” thread:

Support

The group has about 106 members – we only got about 25 replies here, so please write in there to be mentioned in the book :-) – If you don’t write there your name will not appear.

Support the FemShep memorial wall:

Memorial Wall

Post a screenshot of your Femshep there or send it to: thane-fanbook@gmx.de. I only need one screeni of her and her prename :-) If you have more Femsheps send all of them. It would be great if the wall gets really huge – so please join us there!

We have a Poll for the binding up this week, feel free to make your choice here:

Poll

Support the Fanbook:

There are still 1,5 weeks left, so if you haven’t contributed something until now, feel free to do so! If you know someone who would be willing to support us: tell them :-) All the information you need can be found here:

Fanbook

If you have questions ask me! Send me a PM, write a mail to thane-fanbook@gmx.de or send me a note at DA: raira1984. I need your explicit permission to get your stuff into the book, so please be sure to talk to me personally! Everyone will get his/her pages back from me asap, so you can immediately review them and tell me if they are ok for you. If you don’t get an answere from me within about 3 deays, there is a big chance that you didn’t make it into the book! So penetrate me again and again xD We accept nearly every contribution as long as it is your own stuff (no stealing please) and it has no mature content. So: letters, screenshots, art, fanfiction, poems – a DVD with Videos (yeeeeeees there will be one in too) send the things over to me!

Everyone who already participated please ignore this message! I want to thank all of you! We got about 150 pages until now: only contributions! My personal goal would in fact be about 200 pages. So it would be great if we can get a few more until april 30th!

Thanks again for all the love!

AND: don't forget to contribute to the Project of Visii, Aryss and Nick:

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Or to get your Thane wristbands from Daicotje :

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Arceecola wrote...

Hi all.  I've been lurking this thread (and forum) for some time but generally shy away from becoming actively involved in fandoms these days.  Too many horrible memories, lol.  I fear I'm a tiny bit out of the loop but I felt it at least important to voice my full support here.  I've been having a bit of a hard time getting over my disappointments around Mass Effect 3 but I thought that maybe I should talk to some like-minded peeps.

I won't repeat what's already been said, because essentially I feel the same. I came into Mass Effect sort of late as my friend essentially forced ME and ME2 into my hands and all but had a gun to my head if I didn't buy them.  Well I did, and here I am.  I don't regret those dollars spent, but I'm now left feeling very unfulfilled. I had so many expectations built up for ME3.. and well... hmmm.  A lot of the game is amazing, but my thoughts on certain aspects of it (the ending, the treatment of the ME2 characters... Thane...) are really ruining it for me.

Admittedly, Garrus was my femshep's first LI, and I purposely avoided talking to Kaiden in ME and even voluntarily left him behind on Virmire because I'm evil like that. I just didn't want to deal with him. I was saving myself for the boys in ME2.  My boys of course being Garrus and Thane.  I was always intrigued by Thane and always wanted to do a playthrough to see how his story played out because I liked him. I'd also be lying if I said that I didn't find him appealing in all aspects... so Mission Accomplished BioWare.  Now that I've sort of finished ME3 with my Garrus playthrough (I'm sitting at the Cerberus mission... waiting for the Extended Cut because I don't want that to be tarnished by what I've already seen of the ending), I just don't even know if I have the energy to go back and finish my Thane LI ME2 playthrough.  I know what happens, and I don't know if I can bring myself to put my Shepard through it (and myself by extension). I was depressed when Mordin died, and I was depressed when Thane died, and my Shep didn't even romance him on that playthrough.   I'm so weirdly emotional that way. I was satisfied with how Garrus' LI story played out, and even found myself grinning and blushing like a silly school girl with a crush every time we had or "moments."  I was hoping to have those same moments with Thane... but that doesn't happen.  

Any way I can help lend my voice, I'd love to.  Now... I just feel the need to write my own fanfic to dull the pain. :crying:



Aww Arceecola, we feel the same way :crying: I know I'm totally disheartened by the treatment of Thane.. Thane was a big part of my Shep's life and to see him treated that way doesn't feel like it's her story playing out in ME3, so how am I supposed to play it?

Modifié par sunnie7699, 20 avril 2012 - 10:01 .


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Double post :pinched:

Modifié par sunnie7699, 20 avril 2012 - 10:01 .


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Arceecola wrote...

Hi all.  I've been lurking this thread (and forum) for some time but generally shy away from becoming actively involved in fandoms these days.  Too many horrible memories, lol.  I fear I'm a tiny bit out of the loop but I felt it at least important to voice my full support here.  I've been having a bit of a hard time getting over my disappointments around Mass Effect 3 but I thought that maybe I should talk to some like-minded peeps.

I won't repeat what's already been said, because essentially I feel the same. I came into Mass Effect sort of late as my friend essentially forced ME and ME2 into my hands and all but had a gun to my head if I didn't buy them.  Well I did, and here I am.  I don't regret those dollars spent, but I'm now left feeling very unfulfilled. I had so many expectations built up for ME3.. and well... hmmm.  A lot of the game is amazing, but my thoughts on certain aspects of it (the ending, the treatment of the ME2 characters... Thane...) are really ruining it for me.

Admittedly, Garrus was my femshep's first LI, and I purposely avoided talking to Kaiden in ME and even voluntarily left him behind on Virmire because I'm evil like that. I just didn't want to deal with him. I was saving myself for the boys in ME2.  My boys of course being Garrus and Thane.  I was always intrigued by Thane and always wanted to do a playthrough to see how his story played out because I liked him. I'd also be lying if I said that I didn't find him appealing in all aspects... so Mission Accomplished BioWare.  Now that I've sort of finished ME3 with my Garrus playthrough (I'm sitting at the Cerberus mission... waiting for the Extended Cut because I don't want that to be tarnished by what I've already seen of the ending), I just don't even know if I have the energy to go back and finish my Thane LI ME2 playthrough.  I know what happens, and I don't know if I can bring myself to put my Shepard through it (and myself by extension). I was depressed when Mordin died, and I was depressed when Thane died, and my Shep didn't even romance him on that playthrough.   I'm so weirdly emotional that way. I was satisfied with how Garrus' LI story played out, and even found myself grinning and blushing like a silly school girl with a crush every time we had or "moments."  I was hoping to have those same moments with Thane... but that doesn't happen.  

Any way I can help lend my voice, I'd love to.  Now... I just feel the need to write my own fanfic to dull the pain. :crying:



first of welcome :) nice that you've become active.
we're all in this together and we gonna work this out.
i know we can. normally bioware always listen to their fans...
i just don't loose hope

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@Little Vixen - There, there, we share your pain my friend.

Squeegee83 wrote...

I thought I share...  :)

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*Whimpers* Image IPB

*In a soul-wrenching howl* Give. Me. Back. My. Drell!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The poster from MisterJB - That kinda sums up how I felt watching the fight the first time. I'm thinking "Gah, why can't I shoot him? OK, baaad idea, might hit Thane but it's four on one - Get in there and HELP him people WHY CAN"T I DO ANYTHING TO HELP?!?!?!?!"

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sunnie7699 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

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Love the firefly nod....kudos!Image IPB


Haha this is exactly what I thought of after I got through this part.. you know, after the total outrage at how horrible the entire scene was -__-


I'm with you guys. It's just so horrible how they all just stand there and watch.

That whole scene is such a mess. :(

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"Get back on the first page!  Do you see our guns?!?"Image IPB
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I have a few minutes, so thought I would pop in and lament my inactivity. I'm trying, I really am, to get a screenie from ME2, but I can't seem to find the heart to load the game. I thought I already had some but Steam says I don't. It's amazing how one extremely poorly written game can ruin an entire series for me. I have managed to halfheartedly play a few games that have no romance options at all.

Thanks again bw. I salute you with both hands.

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mnomaha wrote...

I have a few minutes, so thought I would pop in and lament my inactivity. I'm trying, I really am, to get a screenie from ME2, but I can't seem to find the heart to load the game. I thought I already had some but Steam says I don't. It's amazing how one extremely poorly written game can ruin an entire series for me. I have managed to halfheartedly play a few games that have no romance options at all.

Thanks again bw. I salute you with both hands.


I'm sorry that you cannot even load ME2.  <3  You can always move in with me, my Shepards and Thane.  We live at the Intersection of "It didn't happen" Blvd and "Oblivious to ME3" Ave, located in the State of Denial.  

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Oh yes please utaker! *mwah*

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mnomaha wrote...

Oh yes please utaker! *mwah*


<squish mnomoha>
Already moved in with utaker's Shep and Thane.....it's a **** sharing a bed though.....who's feet stink!  Dammit....
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Yesterday was the first time I could play ME2 and ME1, without eventual heartache.  Since I was doing it to get screenies for Yama, I started trying to get some silly ones, which meant I had to actually play some......started having enough fun, that 4 hours passed by.....oops.  Work, what's work...bah!  I think it was the silly pictures that helped.  Now I'm replaying Evan in ME1 (hence the ME1 screenie of her that I posted for Dani).  Having some blissful times killin' sum bugs on Noveria.Image IPB

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coldwetn0se wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Oh yes please utaker! *mwah*


<squish mnomoha>
Already moved in with utaker's Shep and Thane.....it's a **** sharing a bed though.....who's feet stink!  Dammit....
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Yesterday was the first time I could play ME2 and ME1, without eventual heartache.  Since I was doing it to get screenies for Yama, I started trying to get some silly ones, which meant I had to actually play some......started having enough fun, that 4 hours passed by.....oops.  Work, what's work...bah!  I think it was the silly pictures that helped.  Now I'm replaying Evan in ME1 (hence the ME1 screenie of her that I posted for Dani).  Having some blissful times killin' sum bugs on Noveria.Image IPB


Tis no stinky feet although we have to talk to Thane about eatin' anchovies in da bed.  Meh, I'll let it pass.  It is fun snatching his book away and throwing it so he has to get out and we all drool as he walks across the room.  

At some point he's going to wonder when we got a water bed.  :devil: 

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Squeegee83 wrote...

I thought I share...  :)

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This is so lovely!!:wub::crying::wub::crying:

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utaker1988 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Oh yes please utaker! *mwah*


<squish mnomoha>
Already moved in with utaker's Shep and Thane.....it's a **** sharing a bed though.....who's feet stink!  Dammit....
Image IPB
Yesterday was the first time I could play ME2 and ME1, without eventual heartache.  Since I was doing it to get screenies for Yama, I started trying to get some silly ones, which meant I had to actually play some......started having enough fun, that 4 hours passed by.....oops.  Work, what's work...bah!  I think it was the silly pictures that helped.  Now I'm replaying Evan in ME1 (hence the ME1 screenie of her that I posted for Dani).  Having some blissful times killin' sum bugs on Noveria.Image IPB


Tis no stinky feet although we have to talk to Thane about eatin' anchovies in da bed.  Meh, I'll let it pass.  It is fun snatching his book away and throwing it so he has to get out and we all drool as he walks across the room.  

At some point he's going to wonder when we got a water bed.  :devil: 


Damn that man and his anchovies!  It ended up encouraging Evan to start snackin' on Pickled Herring again.....
Mmmmmmmm, bent-over ThaneImage IPB.....Ulee DEFINATELY wants a water bed!  She's gonna make us seasick, I just know it *$&#(@!
We're not well.........Image IPB

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WHY do I ALWAYS come in at moments when people are discussing water beds and ridges and all those sorts of things? WHY?!

I must be lucky. It's a sign! I'm getting a Thane first! XD

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Hisilome wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

I thought I share...  :)

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This is so lovely!!:wub::crying::wub::crying:


I love this toooooo I need a choice :crying::crying::crying::crying:

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I am replaying my Evan Shepard right now; currently in ME1 (just died last night in the damn MAKO...Gah! I really do suk at shooting with that boat!). I am looking forward to getting her into ME2, but I admit, there seems to be a spot in ME2 that I get to now (still finishing up Mace in ME2 and have had to replay a bit of Cate and Ulee for screenshots), and THAT is when nasty visions of the events we shall not discuss, start trippin' through my brain. I'm not sure exactly WHAT that point is, since I don't think it's related to any specific mission. No. Instead, it is more along the lines of how I role play my Sheps. Once I get to that "ease" with Thane, taking him everywhere and having gone through different dialogues and banter.....that's when the bad thoughts start invading.

So, while I am blissful with Evan right now, and looking forward to the day she meets Thane, I worry about the inevitable.....maybe it will be different with her.....I swear, everytime I think I can start enjoying this series, bad thoughts hover on the peripheral......Not to sound to 12 Stepperish, but 'One day at a time'.
:P

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coldwetn0se wrote...

I am replaying my Evan Shepard right now; currently in ME1 (just died last night in the damn MAKO...Gah! I really do suk at shooting with that boat!). I am looking forward to getting her into ME2, but I admit, there seems to be a spot in ME2 that I get to now (still finishing up Mace in ME2 and have had to replay a bit of Cate and Ulee for screenshots), and THAT is when nasty visions of the events we shall not discuss, start trippin' through my brain. I'm not sure exactly WHAT that point is, since I don't think it's related to any specific mission. No. Instead, it is more along the lines of how I role play my Sheps. Once I get to that "ease" with Thane, taking him everywhere and having gone through different dialogues and banter.....that's when the bad thoughts start invading.

So, while I am blissful with Evan right now, and looking forward to the day she meets Thane, I worry about the inevitable.....maybe it will be different with her.....I swear, everytime I think I can start enjoying this series, bad thoughts hover on the peripheral......Not to sound to 12 Stepperish, but 'One day at a time'.
:P


I'm glad you can try and enjoy it, I can't (or maybe I'm just not prepared to)... I'm just so angry with the ME team for letting us down (and themselves).  By us I'm particularly thinking about the female gamer.   If they had just decided to make Thane's death compulsory but done it later in the game and treated it with the emotional gravity that it needed I might NOT have been happy but I would probably not have felt angry, and alienated as I do now and it is that anger and alienation that prevents me from playing ME & ME2 again.

 I can play DA though which is what I'm mostly doing... I'm considering trying again to get into The Witcher but I don't  hold out much hope as I hate being Geralt... wish I could play as a female character and romance Iorveth :wub:.

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wildannie wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

I am replaying my Evan Shepard right now; currently in ME1 (just died last night in the damn MAKO...Gah! I really do suk at shooting with that boat!). I am looking forward to getting her into ME2, but I admit, there seems to be a spot in ME2 that I get to now (still finishing up Mace in ME2 and have had to replay a bit of Cate and Ulee for screenshots), and THAT is when nasty visions of the events we shall not discuss, start trippin' through my brain. I'm not sure exactly WHAT that point is, since I don't think it's related to any specific mission. No. Instead, it is more along the lines of how I role play my Sheps. Once I get to that "ease" with Thane, taking him everywhere and having gone through different dialogues and banter.....that's when the bad thoughts start invading.

So, while I am blissful with Evan right now, and looking forward to the day she meets Thane, I worry about the inevitable.....maybe it will be different with her.....I swear, everytime I think I can start enjoying this series, bad thoughts hover on the peripheral......Not to sound to 12 Stepperish, but 'One day at a time'.
:P


I'm glad you can try and enjoy it, I can't (or maybe I'm just not prepared to)... I'm just so angry with the ME team for letting us down (and themselves).  By us I'm particularly thinking about the female gamer.   If they had just decided to make Thane's death compulsory but done it later in the game and treated it with the emotional gravity that it needed I might NOT have been happy but I would probably not have felt angry, and alienated as I do now and it is that anger and alienation that prevents me from playing ME & ME2 again.

 I can play DA though which is what I'm mostly doing... I'm considering trying again to get into The Witcher but I don't  hold out much hope as I hate being Geralt... wish I could play as a female character and romance Iorveth :wub:.






I totally understand where you are coming from, Annie.  I have felt the same way, but last week, I gave it another go, and I'm trying to enjoy the first two games again.  I still have not finished a single play through in me3 (and stopped playing it on March 7th), and have had it on the back of my shelf boxed up (can't even see it) since the same week it came out.  Only way it will ever be played, for me, is if we are given a choice to save/extend Thane's life, and we can have our romance back.  Not asking much, eh??Image IPB  

In the first few weeks after the release, I couldn't get into any game.  I would put DAO or DA2 on, but couldn't play for more than about an hour, tops.  Now I can play both DA games and enjoy them (still a bit PO'ed that they shelved the DA2 expansion....really didn't help that they announced that only ONE WEEK after me3 was released....Image IPBImage IPB)  Only problem I am having playing DAO is, I am REALLY trying to finish up my mage Amell run(have 3 others also waiting to finish....I'm so bad at running too many PT at the same time...yeesh), and I really don't like playing a mage in DAO (poke,poke).  However, I want to finish it to have an Amell import for DA2. 

Maybe my ME1 replay of Evan (actually, she never played in ME1; was originally started in ME2 before I owned ME1) is far enough removed from me3 that I can sort of forget about it.....I don't know.......Image IPB

I think the female gamer (that play fem!Shep) was really pushed in to a role that most of us NEVER would have RP'ed our Shepards as.  Maybe for the lulz or just to have multiple different Sheps, but to force all of us down one particular path....uh-uh.  The dialogue alone when talking to Kaidan about Thane (or other LI's for that matter), is pretty telling.....wut, fems get "gun shy" when discussing new relationships with ex's, but males don't??  Hell to the no!  I would have easily stated my choice and stood by it.  If he wanted to yell or argue, that was his (Kaidan) choice.  My Sheps would have all stood their grounds on this point.  We should have had an option for that, plain and simple. 

Funny thing about our LI choices too.......All my fem!sheps go with Thane (Evan is the ONLY Shep of mine that has/had got it on with Kaidan; all the others were Thane exclusive.).  So though I never wanted more options for my Shepards (only for ThaneImage IPB), just the fact that the only new LI's for fem!Shep are female......hmmmm, there goes choice again!  I actually don't have a problem RPing with a fem/fem pairing (or m/m pairing either), but when I rp a Shep to be hetro, then that is what they are.  They had two perfectly fine male LI's for fem!Shep, and they tossed them away! Sooooo disappointing. 

Ok, enough of the rambling......the sun is out (for onceImage IPB) and I'm going for a hike in a bit......crawl out of my cave for a bit.

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I went back and played ME2 for a bit, because I was making a photo manip with Jacob for the new project.  I found myself still enjoying it, even though I played for just about half an hour.  ME2 really is a great game.  I got so attached to all those characters, it was heartbreaking to see them tossed aside in ME3.

When I'm not working on a ton of things to help with feedback/protesting I'm thinking of doing a playthrough where I mod Thane into the game early.  I've never done that before.  I just can't play ME3 in it's current state, as it feels like walking on broken glass.

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Is it just me, or does even thinking about playing ME3 make you physically ill?  Probably is just me.  :lol:

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Uh... Well, I'm working on my second playthrough. Thane's lack of followthrough annoyed me, but I've been indulging in heavy headcanon this round. 95% of it still seems mindbogglingly awesome and fun to me. Whiiiiiich makes that 5% of underpants-on-head moments sort of staggering.

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That is what makes it so horrible. There's a lot of great stuff about ME3, but it's overshadowed by the things that sucker-punched me in the face on my first playthrough. It really was that traumatic for me.  I got almost no enjoyment out of my main character's game.  When that happens, there is something seriously wrong.

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Now,that i'm raised from a support to a member of the production team of the fanbook, i would like to make an adumbration for the fanbook :)

i know most of you have sign the support thread until now, but a new idea came up from yamainu and me :)

FemShep and MaleShep screeenshots

It would be great if you, when you haven't done it yet, send us a screenshot from your female or male Shepard, who is supporting a better treatment for Thane :)
We want to edit a few pages at the end named "sihas/brother in arms protesting the poor treatment of thane krios romance" and would like to make a memorial wall for him as like the one on citadell. so please post your screenshots in the thread or just send it to:

thane-fanbook@gmx. de

i guess this small thing could bring a lot :)

thanks for all of your help so far :)
this is gonna be huge

Moira-chan

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wildannie wrote...

Hisilome wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

I thought I share...  :)

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This is so lovely!!:wub::crying::wub::crying:


I love this toooooo I need a choice :crying::crying::crying::crying:


Thanks guys ! :)

We all should have gotten a choice. It was completely unfair that we had to endure only one side of it.