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coldwetn0se wrote...


<chuckle/giggle>  I actually had the same thought as you when I first came across the damn thing.....there were only a handfull of posts when I first started writing my thoughts, but I kept editting myself to keep from coming across as a nerdraging fangyrlPosted Image.  By the time I finally posted a relatively reasonable post, the thread was to the second page......heha!  Screw Hater Shades; I'm gettin' me some "bourbon bottle glasses".....it'll make everything sooo much prettier.............I'll just see dancin' Thanes everywhere.....in boxer/briefs.....holding a martini glass.....listening to Teddie Pendergrass.......huh? wut happen......just me??Posted Image



Hmmm...now I have that mental image in my head and then this song popped up I believe in miracles...you sexy thing.... bah ha ha!  Which led me to snickering at the artist's name 'Hot Chocolate' and then innocently wandering to Chocolate Milk :o  

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mnomaha wrote...

Kristin just posted this on her facebook page:

http://k-laine.devia...-OPEN-299310563

I love K-Laine. :)


At work and suddenly have Barry White singing to me and Thane (in my head) and well, it's really hard to work like this.


mmmmm.....Barry and Thane; course, I have "Coppacabana" stuck in my head now because even though I SAW that you wrote Barry White, Barry Manilow popped into my head......Now I'm playing "Lola", and he's "Tony".  Posted Image

BTW, saw the pic made for you......yowza!!!!!Posted Image  just one question.....where's his...ummm....how to put this delicately.....JUNK!Posted Image  The art is fantastic.  Love it!Posted Image

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utaker1988 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...


<chuckle/giggle>  I actually had the same thought as you when I first came across the damn thing.....there were only a handfull of posts when I first started writing my thoughts, but I kept editting myself to keep from coming across as a nerdraging fangyrlPosted Image.  By the time I finally posted a relatively reasonable post, the thread was to the second page......heha!  Screw Hater Shades; I'm gettin' me some "bourbon bottle glasses".....it'll make everything sooo much prettier.............I'll just see dancin' Thanes everywhere.....in boxer/briefs.....holding a martini glass.....listening to Teddie Pendergrass.......huh? wut happen......just me??Posted Image



Hmmm...now I have that mental image in my head and then this song popped up I believe in miracles...you sexy thing.... bah ha ha!  Which led me to snickering at the artist's name 'Hot Chocolate' and then innocently wandering to Chocolate Milk :o  


^THIS FTW!!Posted Image

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mnomaha wrote...

Kristin just posted this on her facebook page:

http://k-laine.devia...-OPEN-299310563

I love K-Laine. :)


At work and suddenly have Barry White singing to me and Thane (in my head) and well, it's really hard to work like this.


Ohh I've been watching her work for awhile now, the smutty style of her work is, outstanding can I say that about smutty artwork?

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@Coldi...she didn't have a model so went with the Ken version...

@gears...of course you can say outstanding. I think she is an uplifting artist, or I would if I were a male. ;)

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Meh, I was just about to post in that thread when it got locked and I...(sees the above link, clicks, looks through the da gallery) well *ehem* that was a better use of my time, indeed it was *ehem*.

It made me think of...."ridges".
Oh dear my mind wandered there....what to do now?
Posted Image(Paragon: Take a really really cold shower)
Posted Image(Renegade option: Draw smutty art of Shep/Thane)
Oh help, what do I do?Posted Image

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Emeraldfern wrote...

Meh, I was just about to post in that thread when it got locked and I...(sees the above link, clicks, looks through the da gallery) well *ehem* that was a better use of my time, indeed it was *ehem*.

It made me think of...."ridges".
Oh dear my mind wandered there....what to do now?
Posted Image(Paragon: Take a really really cold shower)
Posted Image(Renegade option: Draw smutty art of Shep/Thane)
Oh help, what do I do?Posted Image


Pulls the Renegade Trigger  :devil:  

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...right clicks for renegade prompt cuz I'm with utaker. We need to see the ridges.

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I'm not great with words but I do know how to sum up my feelings...

There should be a Thane dlc and have a part in it where he drops to his knees and then apologize for the writer who wrote his role in this game. lol.

But I do agree with nearly what everyone is saying. There should have been an option.


Totally agreed!!!!!! On his knees and a free dlc for thanes LI:D oK if i have to pay for this i will!!!


LOL!! Oh yes, yes. That was my very first message here.. such a long time ago. I still think they need to do it. .___. Although I don't think anything can undo the damage that has been done. But I absolutely love how most of us are still here talking about it, even after all this time with no promise of a DLC.

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utaker1988 wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

Meh, I was just about to post in that thread when it got locked and I...(sees the above link, clicks, looks through the da gallery) well *ehem* that was a better use of my time, indeed it was *ehem*.

It made me think of...."ridges".
Oh dear my mind wandered there....what to do now?
Posted Image(Paragon: Take a really really cold shower)
Posted Image(Renegade option: Draw smutty art of Shep/Thane)
Oh help, what do I do?Posted Image


Pulls the Renegade Trigger  :devil:  


Renegade interrupt FTW! Posted Image
To hell with Paragon!

(This time that is. This is one Renegade interrupt my Ivy wouldn't be able to resist. Even if she's 100% Paragon)
Sooo, any ideas?
A prequel to my "A New dawn" pic perhaps? (The on on Intai'Sei)
Or a sequel to "In his arms"?(The one in Shep's cabin in ME3. Yes ME3, I'm headcanoning here I know)

or, something completely different?

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I have yet to refuse a renegade interrupt ever...even with Faith which is why she has some renegade points. The RI is like crack and I'm some crack addict. I cannot resist it's allure...I must touch it. I can resist paragon interrupts though, just ask Thane about Hope, she refuses the PI when it comes time to disarm Kolyat. They need to implement a Javik Interrupt.

And ridges....mmmmmm.....ridges..... bonzaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii .....

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mnomaha wrote...

@Coldi...she didn't have a model so went with the Ken version...

@gears...of course you can say outstanding. I think she is an uplifting artist, or I would if I were a male. ;)


Hey, I happen to dig Ken (always preferred him over Barbie, who I just ended up mutilating: cut all the hair off first, used permanent  marker all over, stuck pins everywhere, and eventually took the head off - slit up the back of the head with an exacto knife, and turned the head inside out......hmmmm....too much info??)

She does great work, and my mind is more than capable of imagining "much"...heehee!Posted Image

@squeegee - I say wuteva moves ya, lady!!  Thane smut is all good!Posted Image

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utaker1988 wrote...

I have yet to refuse a renegade interrupt ever...even with Faith which is why she has some renegade points. The RI is like crack and I'm some crack addict. I cannot resist it's allure...I must touch it. I can resist paragon interrupts though, just ask Thane about Hope, she refuses the PI when it comes time to disarm Kolyat. They need to implement a Javik Interrupt.

And ridges....mmmmmm.....ridges..... bonzaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii .....


awww hell......the Interrupts are like a "Pavlov's Dogs" thing for me....*auto-dialogue, auto-dialogue,
auto-dialogue...<RI/PI> *click,click,click*......yup, I keep pulling that trigger and don't stop till the interrupt is well on it's way.  I eventually started forcing myself NOT to do it everytime, just for something different, but it is soooo hard to resist.







<ridges>

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coldwetn0se wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

@Coldi...she didn't have a model so went with the Ken version...

@gears...of course you can say outstanding. I think she is an uplifting artist, or I would if I were a male. ;)


Hey, I happen to dig Ken (always preferred him over Barbie, who I just ended up mutilating: cut all the hair off first, used permanent  marker all over, stuck pins everywhere, and eventually took the head off - slit up the back of the head with an exacto knife, and turned the head inside out......hmmmm....too much info??)

She does great work, and my mind is more than capable of imagining "much"...heehee!Posted Image

@squeegee - I say wuteva moves ya, lady!!  Thane smut is all good!Posted Image



I only had one Ken doll as a kid (dressed in a wine-coloured tux), and of course my brother decided to decapitate him so Barbie would hook up with his Action Man doll instead of "girly" Ken. Posted Image

(Friendly reminder to avoid confusion: It's EmeraldfernPosted Image)


Wait, back on-topic:

<ridges>

There, that was on topic right?
/Dashes off to draw Shep/Thane smut!

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Emeraldfern wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

@Coldi...she didn't have a model so went with the Ken version...

@gears...of course you can say outstanding. I think she is an uplifting artist, or I would if I were a male. ;)


Hey, I happen to dig Ken (always preferred him over Barbie, who I just ended up mutilating: cut all the hair off first, used permanent  marker all over, stuck pins everywhere, and eventually took the head off - slit up the back of the head with an exacto knife, and turned the head inside out......hmmmm....too much info??)

She does great work, and my mind is more than capable of imagining "much"...heehee!Posted Image

@squeegee - I say wuteva moves ya, lady!!  Thane smut is all good!Posted Image



I only had one Ken doll as a kid (dressed in a wine-coloured tux), and of course my brother decided to decapitate him so Barbie would hook up with his Action Man doll instead of "girly" Ken. Posted Image

(Friendly reminder to avoid confusion: It's EmeraldfernPosted Image)


Wait, back on-topic:

<ridges>

There, that was on topic right?
/Dashes off to draw Shep/Thane smut!


dammit!  Knew I shouldn't have poured another glass of wine.....sorry Emerald.....Posted Image  Well, as I said; wuteva tickles your fancy, me pet!Posted Image

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I peek into the thread and stumble into a conversation that mentions <ridges> :o

Emerald I hope you'll link us to that art when you finish!

Never change, Thane fans. Never change.<3

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mnomaha wrote...

Thread locked, too bad, it was getting interesting.


The "you knew he was dying!" people are just as ignorant as the people who tell retakers that they're just angry that shepard died. How can they demand a better ending but turn around and tell us to "Deal" with our broken subplot? Can't they see the obvious hypocrisy?


Apparently they can't. :( I really don't understand that mindset. Just because Thane was dying does not mean we should accept a poorly thought out and excecuted storylline that completely disregards character development and does no justice to the character they created! Patrick Weekes (a BioWare writer) even admitted they dropped the ball and that Thane was forgotten to some extent. BioWare were sloppy and neglectful when handling his character in ME3. It shows.

Some people just can't seem to grasp that because they're so hung up on the fact that Thane had an illness.

Speaking of which, the lack of options to save him was so ridiculous to me. BioWare revealed that Thane had an option other than death (lung transplant, hanar cure) only they didn't bother to utilize it!

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mnomaha wrote...

I am branching out...

http://www.thedailyr...ffect-3-review/


Woah, a link to my review! Thanks a ton! :D:wizard::o:D

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OMG Hi Steve!!!!

I left feedback too!!

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mnomaha wrote...

OMG Hi Steve!!!!

I left feedback too!!


Thank you for commenting and reading it! Means a lot!

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Um, Steve...since you're here...have you read our stuff?

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SO I come back and find this

mnomaha wrote...

@Coldi...she didn't have a model so went with the Ken version...

@gears...of course you can say outstanding. I think she is an uplifting artist, or I would if I were a male. ;)



mnomaha sort of quoting Ken, that dude was so great.

Next there is all these dirty jokes, references and ridges. All of you with your dirty jokes are making my brother and his Army Bros look tame.

Oh and I found a link I seemed to miss to a certain thread that got locked, but I still read it, I'd like to post some of the highlight posts, that make some look like... yeah leave it blank

"Curing Thane would have been a shameful example of ridiculous fan service, and bad writing. Thankfully Bioware didn't go that route.

Thanemancers go into that romance knowing he is terminally ill from the start. They should just enjoy the story and one of the defining aspects of his character, without expecting some sappy and contrived happily ever after ending. I always roll a heterosexual male Shep, so I've never done the Thane romance. But I have seen all the romance videos on youtube, and think Thane's was one of the better written in ME2. I can't understand why anyone who has romanced Thane with their Shep would want Thane cured, when all of the emotional weight of that romance plotline is tied in with his being terminally ill and trying to make the most of the time he has left with FemShep. A cure would both cheapen and make completely pointless that plotline.

That being said, Thanemancers could probably have been given a little more content in ME3.. But I think the conclusion of Thane's story was very well done, and was one of the most emotional moments of the series. It shouldn't have ended any differently. "

"I think curing him would have cheapened the character - him being terminally ill was kinda the point of the romance...

Having said that, I neither recruited him nor Samara in ME2"


"The biggest mistake Bioware made with Thane was even hinting at a cure in the Shadowbroker files. Thankfully they came to their senses in ME3."



Thane being terminally ill was one of the defining aspects of his character and provided all the emotional weight for his romance in Mass Effect 2. Quite frankly it would been bad writing to make all of that null and void with the single stroke of a pen. (or key)

"I would guess that a cure was discarded not because of Thane's popularity (or lack thereof) but because the writers knew it would essentially be the equivalent of hitting the 'delete' key on the content they wrote for him in ME2. Whether or not all Thanemancers see it that way, I think that would be a bigger insult to both the character and his fans. "


"Bioware had to make the game touch our hearts in ME3. I cried when Thane died, because he was one of my favorite characters. "

"He has a huge role in ME3...It's only the romance that's bad.....Other then that, how bw treated Thane was fantastic. "


This last one I'm unsure if it's someone on Side of us woman and the dude in this thread here or not but
"I have to keep reminding myself that people interpret things differently and more often then not - see what they wish to see.
what I saw as Thane's defining characteristic was his quest for redemption, trying to leave the world better and to atone for the rest of his cold life, including abandoning his son.
hist death works in part becasue he doesn't really die to Kepral's symptoms. however. what comes prior to it? minimum effort. just enough to satisfy those who didn't pay much attention to his character, other then all the cool flashy stuff.

its insulting to his fans to reset his character. its insulting to his fans to discard his character development. but hey. as long as majority is pleased? his fans are just going to have to headcanon things... "



Also that person who said they cried in Thane's death, SO DID I, (yeah I know what sort of dude gets chocked up over that stuff right). The longer his Death sits the more it just p!sses me off greatly and feels stupidly done and extremely tasteless.

I'm just gonna say this because the more time I spend with you all here in this thread the more it bugs me really bad, I Think any of the LI character deaths should have been optional, because that one character keeps our character grounded and is the reason we fight.

Some of the comments in that thread are just whacked, and some of them come from people I know are DIE Hard Liara fans. Sadly it's Liara fans (hell any fan base really) that say sh!t like that, that really only hurt their own Fav character more. Those Liara fans that contently tell the fans of the other LI's to just accept it and be happy bread so much hate and p!ssed off aggression toward Liara.


I mean that one character that LI is such a big grounding point for the player and does wonders to entrance them and bring them back for more. All the LI deaths should have been optional ones.

And for the record what made me like Thane so much as my best bro, was his stained past, guilt ridden hero, and that as Shepard, I gave him a new lease on life. Before he had committed himself to certain death, Shep comes along and changes all that by being a friend to him. And then the people who romanced Thane ohh boy did you girls really get some great stuff and change Thane's out look on life.

I could just list all the reasons I like this character or that character all night, but I'm just leave it at this I've likely talked all you to death if you even made it to the end of my long post.

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I made it to the end of your post...LOL. I try to read everything but alas, I am easily distracted. Especially if the words Thane, ridges, and bacon are used. Hmmm.....let's sit Thane out in the sun for a long time, heat up those ridges and cook bacon on them.    :o   I'd die happy and I'll sit here with the thoughts on how to clean up that bacon grease.  Might have to wash it down with choco milk.  :o  Someone call Dr. House, I just spontaneously combusted.

I am empathetic to everyone who thinks they deserved more with their LI's, I wish others were as well.  Now what really grinds my gears is when I have to see, "I didn't romance him but his death was epic and well done."  I know it would be easier to just walk away at that point but there are a few who will see things differently once things are explained why we are upset.  But he was dyinggggggggggg, yeah well so aren't we all as soon as we are conceived.  Your point?  I should remain a lonley old spinster with 200 cats for the rest of my life because everyone is dying.  

I've seen this:  Thane was treated fantastic except his romance was bad in ME3.  Can someone explain that to me because it makes no sense.  If any part of anything is bad to me, I can't call it fantastic.  Oh yes, the tuna salad was fantastic just that the mayo was bad.  WTF?  No, it's not fantastic.  Someone help me understand that logic because I can't see it.  I can call it bad, mediocre, somewhat good but not fantastic.

Those that got fan pandering should not be using the words "fan service" in regards to curing Thane.  Mostly because they have gripes of their own that could very well be classified as "fan service."  There is a word that nicely describes that line of thought....hypocrisy .

Now I am going to go run off and think of Thane and Bacon.  :wub:  

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gearseffect said...
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I'm just gonna say this because the more time I spend with you all here in this thread the more it bugs me really bad, I Think any of the LI character deaths should have been optional, because that one character keeps our character grounded and is the reason we fight.

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this is the crux of the issue for me, after Thane's death my shepard had nothing personal to fight for, and noone to support her (because none of her friends cared enough to mention him, or had the decency to not hit on her.).  It just became a depressing slog through to the end of the game.  No player importing a character after waiting 2 years should have had to endure that.  It was a slap to the face, a kick in the gut, and pushed over in the mud then kicked in the head insult...

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utaker1988 wrote...

I made it to the end of your post...LOL. I try to read everything but alas, I am easily distracted. Especially if the words Thane, ridges, and bacon are used. Hmmm.....let's sit Thane out in the sun for a long time, heat up those ridges and cook


I  totally missread that word, I read it with one less o and an extra c in there.

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

Little Vixen wrote...

Female Shepard is an empowering character to play as a female gamer. I was bowled over by the care and tenderness taken with Thane's character in ME2. I really felt that Thane was written with female gamers in mind. And, then ME3 happened......

Female Shepard was forgotten on so many levels and made to suffer like no character before her and unlike her male counterpart.

Thane ripped from her with no hope of changing his fate.

Jacob taken away.

Kaidan questions her every move to the point that Shepard starts questioning herself and who she is. This amazing woman is torn down by her "friend." Or, alternately, he is just dead from the Virmire incident.

Garrus (who is amazing) is only available if that was the choice made in ME2.

I don't understand what the thinking was where Female Shepard's love interests and choices were concerned.


Female Shepard was sort of 'happy accident' in Mass Effect.  When they created the incarnation of Shepard, they gave both male and female the same content (except romances and some lines here or there).  What this produced was a strong female character, who wasn't judged by her gender.  There was no limit to what you could do or how much ass you could kick.

She became the next Ellen Ripley (who was originally written to be a man).  It was refreshing and wonderful to see a female character who wasn't written as a cliche or constrained to certain roles.  She's a PERSON, who happens to be an N7 marine (and savior of the galaxy), that we can mold to our preferences with so many options.

I honestly don't know what happened to that in Mass Effect 3.  They uplifted Female Shepard in advertising, only to destroy her in the game.  To be honest, I blame whoever was in charge for making all these decisions and blatantly cutting her content because they believe people play Male Shepard more.  It's just an all-around jerk move.  There's too much in this game that seemed like a purposeful slap in the face to so many fans.  It's hard for me to sit back and think 'Oh, well they didn't have time to finish it' or 'This is thoughtful and compelling, anyway'.  I can't come to a logical set of reasoning that explains why they did all these things.

I believe it was a combination of not knowing what the fans actually wanted (which was easy enough to find by reading a few character threads), not giving a damn about what the fans actually wanted... and perhaps a bit of overconfidence/ego that whatever they did would be considered gold, regardless.

All I know, is what they did with both Thane and Jacob (and to some extent the others) was atrocious.  I also felt like whoever wrote them had no idea what they were like as characters, nor did they examine their romance content.  It's the same kind of ignorance flying around about the fact that 'Thane's death was fine', but they have no idea what his romance story arc is like.

"Satisfying conclusion to all the romances".

My ass.


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couldnt agree more with you....If Thane or Garrus was also a maleShepards li i am so damn sure they would have more options and love scenes...And i am sure a guy wrote them!!!:D In ME2 i read that the consept of Thane was based on girls wants.They asked them how would they want him...http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/02/09/drawing-mass-effect-the-creation-of-thane.aspx.So they made us fall in love with that character in me2 and then they took him away.I mean they acted in me3 like they were strangers or something. "I wish you the best of you Thane..." ARE U F*&^% KIDDING ME BIOWARE?????