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[Visii]

Emeraldfern wrote...


I say the more we keep showing BW that we want a choice the higher our chances get.

Why?

Revenue. Profit. Two words that rings well with any company.


As for it being a technological nightmare idk.

Adding new flags are not imposssible. If it was then we wouldn't have been able to play LotSB in ME2. The same could be said for editing existing ones.

Then again, they also said it was because of "technical" difficulties that we got Liara as a flashback in the ending no matter who you romanced. And we know that's editable by modding.

/This comes from my own admittedly limited, knowledge, of how the plot flag system worked in ME2 and how it was structured in DAO. I have a hard time believing ME3 is "that" different in it's structure from ME2.

It wasn't a technological or artistic nightmare when it came to Leliana or the others from DA:O in DA2....

[Emeraldfern]

Visii wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...


I say the more we keep showing BW that we want a choice the higher our chances get.

Why?

Revenue. Profit. Two words that rings well with any company.


As for it being a technological nightmare idk.

Adding new flags are not imposssible. If it was then we wouldn't have been able to play LotSB in ME2. The same could be said for editing existing ones.

Then again, they also said it was because of "technical" difficulties that we got Liara as a flashback in the ending no matter who you romanced. And we know that's editable by modding.

/This comes from my own admittedly limited, knowledge, of how the plot flag system worked in ME2 and how it was structured in DAO. I have a hard time believing ME3 is "that" different in it's structure from ME2.

It wasn't a technological or artistic nightmare when it came to Leliana or the others from DA:O in DA2....

Or Morrigan in DAO (Witch hunt). Or Liara (LoTSB) in ME2.

[JECW]

Emeraldfern wrote...

Visii wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...


I say the more we keep showing BW that we want a choice the higher our chances get.

Why?

Revenue. Profit. Two words that rings well with any company.


As for it being a technological nightmare idk.

Adding new flags are not imposssible. If it was then we wouldn't have been able to play LotSB in ME2. The same could be said for editing existing ones.

Then again, they also said it was because of "technical" difficulties that we got Liara as a flashback in the ending no matter who you romanced. And we know that's editable by modding.

/This comes from my own admittedly limited, knowledge, of how the plot flag system worked in ME2 and how it was structured in DAO. I have a hard time believing ME3 is "that" different in it's structure from ME2.

It wasn't a technological or artistic nightmare when it came to Leliana or the others from DA:O in DA2....

Or Morrigan in DAO (Witch hunt). Or Liara (LoTSB) in ME2.

It sounds like it just comes down to Bioware being to lazy.

[gearseffect]

I've been saying that all along it comes down to BW being lazy. I mean really lazy, almost to the point of not having many brains among the people who worked on ME3.

Because it's shear stupidity, BW spent so much time and effort making the ME2 cast cool, unique, and diverse. They put so much effort into making Thane an appealing LI for female players, and did a damn good. Heck just from Thane's reveal trailer, which had much of his in game intro he was an instant favorite. He became bad@ss number #1.

To throw a character like that away, it's shear stupidity and screams, dumb@ss and laziness, or maybe not giving a sh!t.

Then you have these characters that many of the ME3 team have said are some of their favorites, Legion, Mordin, Miranda, Tali, Garrus, and Jack, hhmem any one else see what I see?

It begs the question of what exactly happened between ME2 and ME3, how did it go from that to this, and what was going on inside that place, while every single person working on ME3 continued to lie out their @ss to the whole fan base, on so many different things.

[utaker1988]

ShadyGerbilz wrote...

For my fellow Thanemancers: This will probably ruin your day, but I thought I'd share anyway.  My apologizes.
Its from Patrick weekes Via Twitter...

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Nah, that doesn't ruin my day.  Seeing that pic linked in this thread quickly derailed any negative thoughts I may have had.  <ridges>

Luckily for them we aren't asking for a retcon, we are asking for another path in addition to his death.  One where he lives, not so much a nightmare to do.  Even if they wanted to do away with his death, the lack of anyone mentioning it is already done for them.  Not like Thane lives and you have Garrus telling you later, "I'm sorry to hear about Thane, I know how much he meant to you."  

Oh then TroLeng's comment about Thane dying would have to be taken out and the comment Shep makes to KL when she knifes the ******.  Ok, I can see them not wanting to do it now, as they might have to figure out what to put there instead.  So, let me help them.  Put the option for save AFTER he interjects himself in that fight.  Then you can just say that KL would not know if he died or not, KL is already ridiculous enough so him saying Thane is dead when he is not  fits along with his major biting comeback, "Shut up!"  As for the RI interrupt, well I can imagine romanced Shep would still say, "That is for Thane...." just on the basis that Leng stabbed her LI.  There now they don't have to take any dialogue out.

And there is his dialogue in the last nightmare, they can do with that as they please.  Keep it in there, take it out, doesn't matter.  Actually what they can do is replace that whole nightmare scene with a new file...smut and ridges.  

Knowing we do not want his death taken out only a choice to save him, then the only way they cannot do it is if they don't want too. I normally would not offer to do anyone else's work for them but in this case, I'll make an exception.  If they truly want to listen, then I would suggest they start opening not only their ears but their minds as well.  All of us here has found ways to work with what is already there.

[gearseffect]

@Utaker they don't need to worry about changing any of the post death dialogue about Thane, just switch it to Kirrahee, or don't do much anything. You do know that in ME3 you can talk to Kelly before the Cerberus Coup, and she talks about all the horrible things Cerberus did in the coup attempt it's just so awful

Something along those lines. But anyway if they can leave dumb lines like that in at odd times, I'm sure we can live with dumb lines from Kai, about Thane being dead when Thane is still alive, right?

[Emeraldfern]

Well, for all the "cereal killer" (who shall not be named) knows Thane is dead.

And true, the "This is for Thane you son-of-a-b****!" Would still be appropiate, even when non-romanced.

[Cyansomnia]

I wouldn't take that as 'we aren't going to do anything with Thane'. To be honest, they didn't do anything with Thane in the aftermath of his death ANYWAY. What, one line from Kai Leng and Shepard when she stabs him? That's all I recall happening...

Anyway, I'm not going to give up until they flat out say 'no'. All they would need to do is add stuff. They don't even have to change what's already there.  If he's loyal/romanced, which are already existing plotflags.. let it trigger further content you can just add into the game or make a DLC out of.

<_<

EDIT:

I asked Patrick Weekes if they could just add branching content based on already existing plot flags.  He said 'Yeah, we did that with Tali and have a bug where she shows up for the romance when dead'.

I'm having a bit of a conversation with him via twitter.  He said 'it wouldn't be simple'.  I told him it would mean a lot to the fans if they tried, and would they be willing to attempt it if we paid for DLC.

I'm getting the impression from him that they aren't going to change Thane's death...

This gives me a major sad.  

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 06 mai 2012 - 01:01 .

[Emeraldfern]

He seems to be under the impression that having him as a squaddie is what we want (Obviously I'd be on cloud nine if that happened) but honestly, I'd settle for him being alive...

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 06 mai 2012 - 01:08 .

[gearseffect]

Those jerks, the only non-optional LI death, WTF is wrong with those @sshats, wait even if they did say they planed to fix it, I'd be like yeah I'll believe it when I see it, and going off your past record of fixing things well lets just say you tend to only make it worse. SO I'll believe it when I see it.

However they have a Tali bug for when she's dead she reappears for the romance scene? WTF? Ya know I kinda feel that they only plan to do any further content with these characters here, Liara, Kiadan, Ashley, Miranda, Jack, maybe Tali and Garrus too, and yeah that's about it.

I'm kinda feeling that way, but ya know so long as us fans stick together and continue to be loud, make it known we are here, we got $$, and they are a company that always wants more $$$, we can hope to change their stand point on characters they wrote off, Thane, Jacob, Samara, and even Kelly, those seem to be the ones they write off most

[Hadeedak]

Hah, I'd settle for someone noticing he died in a real way.

And maybe noticing him more when he was alive. >>

If he's going to die anyway, they could at least put some effort into doing it right. LEGION gets mentioned afterwards (by EDI, at minimum) and he's the only other "Has to die".

Well. Maybe Morinth. But. Lol. Morinth.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 06 mai 2012 - 01:17 .

[JECW]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I asked Patrick Weekes if they could just add branching content based on already existing plot flags.  He said 'Yeah, we did that with Tali and have a bug where she shows up for the romance when dead'.

I'm having a bit of a conversation with him via twitter.  He said 'it wouldn't be simple'.  I told him it would mean a lot to the fans if they tried, and would they be willing to attempt it if we paid for DLC.

I'm getting the impression from him that they aren't going to change Thane's death...

This gives me a major sad.  

That's what worries me. I don't know what they have against just adding things to it. They can keep the death in there but add an option to save him also. Do they realize just how bad his death scene was. I didn't think it was that great. If they were hoping to achieve somthing epic they failed. I've seen better death scenes on a soap opera . I'm starting to think that the only character romances that they might fix will be Jack and Miranda. They also seem to be so eager to give EDI more lines. When did she become so important? I don't know what or if they are thinking over at Bioware. 

[JECW]

Emeraldfern wrote...

He seems to be under the impression that having him as a squaddie is what we want (Obviously I'd be on cloud nine if that happened) but honestly, I'd settle for him being alive...

Maybe they are confused. Does he have a clear understanding of what we are asking for?

[Cyansomnia]

I told him squad status wasn't necessary. We just wanted more content with him in general and a chance to save him. Anyway, he stopped replying so I guess he's done talking with me.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 06 mai 2012 - 01:33 .

[Emeraldfern]

I posted this idea in another thread here on BSN (a thread on how one could expand on L.I. content with absolutely minimum dev resources), and I don't know if it's a good idea, but I was considering forwarding this on twitter to Weekes after reading Aislinn Trista's twitter convo:

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A most humble fan suggestion regarding Thane in Mass Effect 3:

I know retconning Thane's death is development wise, a big undertaking, but to me who had Thane as my main L.I. it's the only way I can honestly say I'd be able to even look at my Mass Effect 3 copy and be happy again.

Now, how could Thane be saved with as little dev resources as possible?

With a “Fetchquest” for drell blood and E-mails on Shepard’s terminal.

The fetchquest could be initiated through some terminal at Huerta Memorial Hospital (like the ME1 assignments), and direct you to a star system (bonus points if it is a system related to the drell/hanar) or to a location on the Citadel.

If the fetchquest is done before the Citadel coup then Thane *survives*. Don't get me wrong, the coup would still play out the same way ie. Thane is stabbed, goes through surgery, says prayer, and is *seemingly* dead. All of the cutscenes and dialogues remain intact.

Return to Normandy. Check your private terminal: A new E-mail from Kolyat states that Thane survived but he is comatose.

Further on in the game (after priority missions), Kolyat emails you with updates on Thane's condition, additionally Kolyat's stance on Thane/Shepard being romantically involved could be elaborated as well as Kolyat's plans of the future.

During the last mission (when you say your "farewells" to your squad), a final email is sent by Thane himself, he has recovered. And he offers his prayers for Shepard in the upcoming battle. He also hints that he considers to undergo a lung transplant. He also gives his thoughts on what he wants to with Shepard after the Reapers are defeated.

All of the above could be implemented without any VO work.


This if imlpemented, would actually give me a reason to actually play the game again. And I think other Siha's would at least partially agree with me on this point.


Thank you for listening.

Sincerely a devoted Thane fan:
/Emeraldfern

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/Obviously I'd euphorical if any of the e-mails were actual voiced convos but this idea was the only way I could think of that used absolutely minimum dev resources as it's mostly text content.
So idk. should I forward it or not?

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 06 mai 2012 - 01:42 .

[JECW]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I told him squad status wasn't necessary. We just wanted more content with him in general and a chance to save him. Anyway, he stopped replying so I guess he's done talking with me.

That's really sad.
They don't really seem to care.

[ShadyGerbilz]

 From what I've seen the majority of the fan base favors his death. Mass Effect fans aren't exactly lining up to support our cause, and Bioware knows it. What do they have to lose over this? Absolutely nothing, if only a few disgruntled fans. <_<

[Visii]

@ Emeraldfern,

I think that's a great idea.

Modifié par Visii, 06 mai 2012 - 01:48 .

[JECW]

ShadyGerbilz wrote...

 From what I've seen the majority of the fan base favors his death. Mass Effect fans aren't exactly lining up to support our cause, and Bioware knows it. What do they have to lose over this? Absolutely nothing, if only a few disgruntled fans. <_<

I didn't notice the majority of the fans favoring his death. Also you can't go by what you read hear. BSN is a small minority. There are a lot of poeople that play the game that don't come here.
Bioware is just lazy and only want to cater to certain fanbases. They don't think Thane is important enough or worth saving. I honeslty don't know what else we can do to show them that they are wrong.

[Emeraldfern]

Meh, forwarded it. It's just a suggestion, but a part of me hopes they atleast give it some thought.

[Edit] Wait wha? I uploaded it 11 minutes ago and there are already 7 people looking at the document
My paranoia is tingling...

[Edit 2]

He tweeted back!
 
@Emeraldfern1 @AislinnTrista @mrsvulture Def possible technically. But not sure it would work artistically or satisfy fans.

Quick What do I answer?

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 06 mai 2012 - 01:58 .

[Ottemis]

@Emeraldfern Just send it, it's a nice suggestion. Aiming low is not necessarily bad, you propose a setting that is flexible enough to expand upon content wise (if they'd want to/have the resources).

[JECW]

It's a good suggestion Emeraldfern.

[ShadyGerbilz]

JECW wrote...

ShadyGerbilz wrote...

 From what I've seen the majority of the fan base favors his death. Mass Effect fans aren't exactly lining up to support our cause, and Bioware knows it. What do they have to lose over this? Absolutely nothing, if only a few disgruntled fans. <_<

I didn't notice the majority of the fans favoring his death. Also you can't go by what you read hear. BSN is a small minority. There are a lot of poeople that play the game that don't come here.
Bioware is just lazy and only want to cater to certain fanbases. They don't think Thane is important enough or worth saving. I honeslty don't know what else we can do to show them that they are wrong.

^ I've spoken to many people and seen many sites. His death comes up frequently in conversation for me; whenever I ask what a certain persons opinion on the subject may be...4 out of 5 seem to think that Thanes death was "honorable and heroic." 

Modifié par ShadyGerbilz, 06 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[JECW]

Emeraldfern wrote...

Meh, forwarded it. It's just a suggestion, but a part of me hopes they atleast give it some thought.

[Edit] Wait wha? I uploaded it 11 minutes ago and there are already 7 people looking at the document
My paranoia is tingling...

[Edit 2]

He tweeted back!
 
@Emeraldfern1 @AislinnTrista @mrsvulture Def possible technically. But not sure it would work artistically or satisfy fans.

Quick What do I answer?

Who does he want to satisfy? Poeple who don't like Thane or care about him.
It would satisfy fans. I know most of us would be happy with it.

[gearseffect]

ShadyGerbilz wrote...

 From what I've seen the majority of the fan base favors his death. Mass Effect fans aren't exactly lining up to support our cause, and Bioware knows it. What do they have to lose over this? Absolutely nothing, if only a few disgruntled fans. <_<

This has been my biggest burn, or irk or whatever term you want to use,

There are not many people lining up and saying hey yeah we want more Thane, Samara, Jacob, and Kelly. Right now it seems Jack and Miranda fans are the only ME2 LIs that BW shows any interest in catering to and ya know giving them more content.

Heck I've seen people happy about Thane's death and Happy about Jacob getting Bryn knocked up, and happy to let Samara kill herself. 

Yet whenever Someone makes a new topic because Miranda  ied, as a result of some dumb fan not doing something so simple to let her live, then all of sudden it's like BW is screwing everyone over.

Fan 1: "OHH No Miranda died and I did all I could WHY WHY BW did you make it even possible for her to die, She can't die She's the best, WHY WHY ohh no I did everything right and she still died."

Fan 2 "Yeah those dumb@sses really screwed us over making it possible for Miranda to die in ME3.  It's easier for Tali and Garrus to die in the SM, and they got made squad mates in ME3. Really dumb I mean in ME2 she was the hardest squadmate to have die in
the SM you practiclly have to have everyone else die first in order for
her to be able to die. So she's already alive in everyone's games ya know unless that persons Shepard died too, so out of all the ME2 squad mates she should have been the one that can't die in ME3 and been a full time squad mate, I mean she wouldn't ever leave Shepard. "

Ten pages later and they are still going on about the same stuff as above. Then another one of those threads pops up and it just replays over and over again. New thread after new thread, yet it's always about the same thing, and they each have the same comments and content within.