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[Emeraldfern]

@gearseffect

Originally as seen in the leaked script, the reason Thane was there was because Udina was willing to sacrifice Kahje to the Reapers.

In that same scenario both Kolyat and Kasumi would have been present to help Shepard reach Udina in order to stop him. For some reason this was cut and replaced with what we got i.e. the separation of the Citadel coup and the Jondam Bau quest with Kasumi.

Also if I remember correctly, there was a hint that Thane could have survived in that scenario:

When Udina tries to fire his gun Thane "pulls a slick move and looks shortly out of breath"


Why it was cut is beyond me, because it made so much more sense than that lame cereal killer fight which was just there to save a Salarian Councilor...

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 06 mai 2012 - 05:02 .

[gearseffect]

@Emeraldfern I thought I read in the leaked script Kasumi was on Thessia stealing something, and she helped you prevent it from falling? Was that in there I did I miss read it or get a whacky version of the leaked scripts?

[mnomaha]

This is all too ****ing frustrating...I'm going back to playing with Drala'fa Shepard. Damn if ME1 isn't boring...

[JECW]

Emeraldfern wrote...

@gearseffect

Originally as seen in the leaked script, the reason Thane was there was because Udina was willing to sacrifice Kahje to the Reapers.

In that same scenario both Kolyat and Kasumi would have been present to help Shepard reach Udina in order to stop him. For some reason this was cut and replaced with what we got i.e. the separation of the Citadel coup and the Jondam Bau quest with Kasumi.

Also if I remember correctly, there was a hint that Thane could have survived in that scenario:

When Udina tries to fire his gun Thane "pulls a slick move and looks shortly out of breath"


Why it was cut is beyond me, because it made so much more sense than that lame cereal killer fight which was just there to save a Salarian Councilor...

I remember reading , and I have no idea why bioware thought what they gave us would be better.
I remember some of  us saying that a fight with Kai Leng would be great, but the fight we got was just stupid. That was probably the one and only time they actually listened to what we asked for.

I was disappointed to see what they did with Kasumi also. She was one of my favorites.

Modifié par JECW, 06 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[Emeraldfern]

@gearseffect

I think there were multiple scripts, one was a storyboard and another was more cutscene/dialogue oriented.

Damn, it was so long ago since I read them so I don't remember them clearly anymore...

@mnomaha

Oh I know ME1 is a chore to play for most of the part.

All those UNC assignments in identical indoors enviroments...
The planets themselves were gorgeous though, but were rather boring esp. with the damn Mako climbing....

There's a reason I only imported one playthrough from ME1 to ME2, it was the only one where I got 100% done (all those damn metals, gases, an useless junk collection included) and lvl 60.
I really didn't feel like playing through the game three more times just to have a seperate lvl 60 Liara playthrough..so Gibbed save editor "saved" me

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

This is all too ****ing frustrating...I'm going back to playing with Drala'fa Shepard. Damn if ME1 isn't boring...

I don't know how you do it. I tried last year and couldn't. I played it so much when it came out that  I just don't find it interesting anymore.

[gearseffect]

I Never tire of playing ME1 and ME2, but I get so bored doing those side quests. I remember cramming in like 3 playthroughs of ME1 in Nov. (Before I read the leaked scripts) eagerly awaiting ME3 at that time. And man the ME1 squad mates are dull. Except Wrex.
Garrus it was like his dialogue wheels were from ME3 hardly any investigate, and hardly any variation in what you say to him.

Tali the bucket head, her voice is so irritating and she stammers on and on, it's annoying, I saw in a thread here today some saying they liked Tali's voice said it was sexy. OK to each there own, but she still bugs me with her voice.

Liara, going back and listening to her dialogue and how she said it, I was like WTF? This Chick whacky how she talks, she's gotten better at how she talks in the series but only seems to be shoved upon me more in ME3. Yeah I really don't get it.

Kaidan still super dull,
Ashley is still OK and cool.
And Wrex just as cool as ever.
The game play sucked to in ME1, but it made up for it with a great story. ME2 the cast was so much greater and way more interesting. ME3 threw the great characters out the widow and yeah we've already hashed that to death.

[Cyansomnia]

JECW wrote...

I think most people are being civil, but I have to wonder if we are really accomplishing anything.
Patrick Weekes says he really doesn't understand the character. He probably likes Thane, but I'm not sure he really cares much about what happened to him.

I believe he does.  Unfortunately, it's something that isn't solely under his control.  There's a whole team of people that decide/develop content for the game.  All we can do is provide lots of feedback and hopefully influence them to act.

[Cyansomnia]

I understand people's anger. To be honest, I'm surprised I've lasted this long.

I'm near to losing my patience with them, as this isn't the first time they've screwed with me. They've posted several of my fan video edits on their Facebook/Twitter pages (because it's great free PR). I asked for tips regarding what to do if I wanted to edit professionally. At that point, Silverman encouraged me to make a demo reel and send it to them.

I spent a month working hard on said reel, not to mention a few friends helped me build a portfolio site. I submitted all this and was met with the response 'Oh sorry. Thanks for all your work, but we don't have any positions for you right now.'

At this point I was quite bitter, but remained a loyal fan regardless. After all that's happened with ME3, however, I'm truly feeling like I've gotten stomped on so badly I don't even want to look at a game by Bioware ever again. Yet, here I am. I think it's because I truly did love this franchise, and Thane is one of the best characters I've ever encountered in a video game.

It's really hard to stay positive, but I try.

[Emeraldfern]

@Aislinn Trista

Oh wow...that's just...cruel.

Not cool Bioware. Not cool.

If it was me in that situation I...I don't think I could have kept my anger in check.


You have my sincere sympathies as a fellow artist for whatever it is worth.

[Tashash]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I understand people's anger. To be honest, I'm surprised I've lasted this long.

I'm near to losing my patience with them, as this isn't the first time they've screwed with me. They've posted several of my fan video edits on their Facebook/Twitter pages (because it's great free PR). I asked for tips regarding what to do if I wanted to edit professionally. At that point, Silverman encouraged me to make a demo reel and send it to them.

I spent a month working hard on said reel, not to mention a few friends helped me build a portfolio site. I submitted all this and was met with the response 'Oh sorry. Thanks for all your work, but we don't have any positions for you right now.'

At this point I was quite bitter, but remained a loyal fan regardless. After all that's happened with ME3, however, I'm truly feeling like I've gotten stomped on so badly I don't even want to look at a game by Bioware ever again. Yet, here I am. I think it's because I truly did love this franchise, and Thane is one of the best characters I've ever encountered in a video game.

It's really hard to stay positive, but I try.

Oh. S#$%...*Huggle* That is borderline vicious Aislinn, I'm sorry they did that to you.

I really, really, really want to believe that this...monstrocity can be fixed, and that BW is willing to do so...But given the feedback I'm beginning to think that the light at the end of the tunnel is a fire.

*Sigh* What the hell went wrong? I LOVED DAII - I freakin' adore that game. And a Sci-Fi game shoudn't be that different to a Sword, Shield and Staff game - So WFT happened? Did someone get possesed by a demon of ****hole? Was the entire ME 3 team infected by Stupiditus? What went so horribly, badly wrong?

[DineBoo]

I would expect that type of response for an unsolicited submission.

Sure you can have no openings, but they shouldn't have told you to do a demo reel if they didn't have anything you could be in contention for.

I'm still throwing my support for you guys. Weekes twitters can be disheartening, but I hope something is salvaged.

BTW, why is Thane's death such a big deal that it can break the game? Kirrahe would die in Thane's place if you didn't talk to him, and then Thane diies off screen. So it seems that for people wanting Thane alive, just switch things around with Kirahee if he's available, or have the Salarian councilor die.

You'll lose war assets, but I think it's a nice consequence and alternative for people. I love Kirahee, but I'd have him die in at least one playthough.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that this will end up with more Liara fluff(like her being pregnant), and other LIs will just get some lip service.

Modifié par DineBoo, 06 mai 2012 - 08:01 .

[Eliantariel]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

JECW wrote...

I think most people are being civil, but I have to wonder if we are really accomplishing anything.
Patrick Weekes says he really doesn't understand the character. He probably likes Thane, but I'm not sure he really cares much about what happened to him.

I believe he does.  Unfortunately, it's something that isn't solely under his control.  There's a whole team of people that decide/develop content for the game.  All we can do is provide lots of feedback and hopefully influence them to act.

It seems Bioware is really good in raising peoples hope just to have it crushed in the next step.
I am sorry Aislinn, they could have checked beforehand if positions are available, but I have to say your videos are great!

As for Thane, I am very upset by Patrick Weekes twitter post that we knew beforehand that Thane would die. I can only say: Yes, but you Bioware gave us hope that there is a way to save him, maybe not completely cure him but to increase his lifespan. What about the medical dossier in LotSB? Bioware seems to have forgotten this. It states that Thane would be a good candidate for a transplantation but he didn't want it. But as we all know (obviously Bioware not) a romanced Thane has again developed a will to live. It could help him to live some more years, maybe until the Hanar find a cure.

I think they are just trying to justify what they did. They had limited ressources and most of the ME2 squad had to suffer from this. But they can make it right with a dlc.

[DineBoo]

I'm tired of the excuse "Well, you knew Thane could die". Yeah, he could. But that doesn't mean you could butcher and forget about his romance! Why offer him as choice (along with Jacob) if you're just going to comeback and say "You knew what you were getting into! So sorry, we're going to take away your romance!"

So he's terminal. He'll possibly die. So what? femShep could go into shock just by "ingesting" parts of Garrus *cough*. Doesn't mean that's an excuse to butcher Garrus' romance. Liara could live on without you. Let's butcher her romance too.

If he died toward the end of ME3 after having nice bittersweet romance with him, I'm sure you guys would be mostly fine. Sad, but okay/satisfied.

However, they dangled cure bait in front of your noses. And promised everyone a nice conclusion.

In any case, Thane was grossly mishandled and there is no excuse for:
-Forced death, while Miranda's could be avoided.
-Thane dying off screen if you didn't talk to him (WTF?)
-Thane mostly talking about the VS in your one and only conversation with him.
-His death was too dang early in the game
-His death was forgotten about.

And so on. Just because Thane was terminal does not excuse shoddy writing for him.

Modifié par DineBoo, 06 mai 2012 - 08:18 .

[gearseffect]

I have something I'd like to say while we are on the subject of the whole "You knew Thane could die"

Well what if given that there is 2 years between ME1 and ME2 what if well you know why Ashley or Kaidan had a giant cob up their @ss about Shep They moved on and got married and maybe had a kid or two. Oh cr@p wouldn't that be really sh!ty, or what if well you knew that Liara could have been banging Feron and she was oh Cr@p.

I'm sorry I should stop, but I'm not because the limited budget issue is another half @ssed excuses as far as I'm concerned and I shall point out my reasons
1.Live Action Trailers 2 versions DudeShep and FemShep
2.Live Action Trailers with wanna be New Dudes
3.Multiplayer wast of money wast of space, and fans really could and would have been happy with out it
4.Advertising splurges everywhere
5.Twitter deaths, not in the game but on Twitter Really?
6.Space Copies of ME3
7.Every big media thing had their head up BW/EA's @ss praising the game a Land Mark that sets a New Bar for Story Telling, 10 out of 10 perfect review, and this was before March even hit.
8.ALL this wasted money and huge expenses

SO I don't buy the limited budget BS, I do buy that some dumb@sses didn't have their priorities straight and in order.
Anyone know if there is any Thane content VO work out there that got cut from the game?

Also any one else think that dude that does Kaidan's voice looks like a child molester? It's kind of a big gap between the dude in ME Kaidan and the dude doing the voice for the dude in the game. Don't ya think? OK I'll stop right there.

[ShadyGerbilz]

Squeegee83 wrote...

ShadyGerbilz wrote...

 @ Squeegee83 I think pride also has a part in this. The company is too proud to admit they made a mistake and fix it. Bioware is like a child, you tell them to do something and they naturally want to do the exact opposite..Or drag their feet to do it. Example: Extended cut DLC.

The games are made for the fans not the other way around. Number one rule of business, "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT". I guess Bioware didn't get the memo. 

No they didn't get the memo. I worked retail for quite some time before moving on to something better. However, when I think back, I would get written up for pissing off a customer. (Which I did alot.. because I can't shut my mouth for nothing). lol. Eventually I got fired. Best thing that ever happen to me. Not a good thing for Bioware though.

It's about time they get off their high horse and realize that they messed up. Besides, I don't think an extended dlc on the endings are going to make things better. I had a good laugh when they announced it at PAX. The people who sent like 400 (something like that) cupcakes to Bioware, they are going to have to send a few hundren more now. lol.

lol I agree, the Extended cut DLC is like putting icing on a really cr*ppy cake. You can try to cover it up all you want but in the end it still tastes like cr*p. I think its a big waste of the time and effort fans have put into the Retake: ME movement. Bioware claims it will satisfy the fans of the franchise but then again they don't have the best track record for keeping their promises...So I'm not holding my breath on that one. 

Its a shame all that delicious cupcake goodness went to waste. But at least the children enjoyed them. 

Modifié par ShadyGerbilz, 06 mai 2012 - 09:17 .

[Cyansomnia]

There was some cut content files I found in the ME3 audio, but they were just a line or two from his death scene. That's about it.

BTW, I actually like Kaidan. I support all the characters, more or less. It's really shameful how things worked out this way.

I just find it rather unfair that content is so incredibly uneven when it comes to certain LIs/Squaddies.  You'd think this would be the most important thing, especially in a story/character driven narrative.  Apparently not.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 06 mai 2012 - 09:07 .

[Fraevar]

*peeks in* Hi there. I haven't posted before but I felt the need to, just out of the sheer frustration of how major characters from this series have been handled, Thane especially.

My primary femShep was not a Thane-mancer, I want to confess that up front, but I absolutely loved the character, and while the shipped content in ME3 is satisfactory for someone who counts Thane a friend, when I saw the romance version on youtube I just sat there, gobsmacked.

It was terrible - Thane is the only LI/character who actually tries to get in touch with Shepard and shows real concern for Shepard after the attack on Earth, yet the romance version is essentially Shepard just going all: "Me want snoo-snoo!" on him...in the hospital. It's just in bad taste, I can't even begin to describe how disappointed I was with that, a disappointment I also felt when I found out how the mangled the Jacob Taylor character elsewhere in the game.

As to them retconning Thane's death, I sadly don't see that happening, because the rule of DLC is that it cannot fundamentally alter the structure of the game, not to mention introducing an entirely new brancing plot path would be a logistical nightmare.

I do want to ask something, though: Assuming the EC turns out to prove the Indoctrination Theory (please yes, Star Kid is lying through his holographic teeth) we would probably still get an ending where Shepard could die but it would hopefully be more like in www.youtube.com/watch this fan edit with Shepard taking her last gasps and then leaving this world behind. My question is: Would you like an "afterlife" sequence, or would you consider that a more meaningful conclusion to the Thane romance arc, if they can't bring him back? I am thinking of something that would invoke the imagery of Thane's poems and prayers, with Shepard in white walking away from the sea, the sand between her toes up towards Thane standing on the dunes above with his outreached hand. 

Is that something that you'd consider an acceptable compromise, perhaps if it included some more scenes with Shepard thinking about Thane, like the picture with the VS in ME2?

[Tashash]

@Delerius-Jedi, firstly, thanks for your suppport; we appreciate it.

In my wonderful world of happy fantasy, Thane is cured, the Reapers are defeated and the Geth and Quarians are co-exsisting happily on Rannoch while Sheaprd kicks that Goddamn Star-Child into an exploding star....Yeah, I like fantasy world.

But I ain't gonna get it, I know this.

What I would like is for Thane to at least survive untill the end of ME3...Hell, near the end, not in the first third of the game!

And the Fan vid? If that is what I'd originally gotten for the end, with Thane replacing Liara, and the scene you described with Shep walking toward him out of the sea...I could have accepted that - I would have ENJOYED that, knowing that even if my Shep is dead she's with someone she loves.

Yes, that would have been satisfying, bittersweet, but much more palatable than the steaming pile of BS we were served.

[sunnie7699]

@Delerius_Jedi Welcome to the thread! It's always great to see non-Thane romancers who can actually see how terrible the entire Thane romance was

Yeah when I first saw the dialogue option 'I have some free time' or whatever it was, I thought that Thane and Shep would actually go off somewhere and talk properly, but no, it was just them going up to the huge-ass window for 'private' time while Shep practically dry humps Thane. No. NOT what we wanted.

I think I would be relatively satisfied with that (what you said about Thane) from the EC, but I would still not be completely satisfied until they at least gave us some DLC with more character interaction before Thane dies and some dialogue in remembrance of him after he dies. I think like you said it's very unlikely that we'll get DLC that will allow us to cure him because it might interfere with the structure of the game (it's still possible, but I don't think they care enough to go to that much effort). Patrick Weekes' tweets make it seem like that sort of DLC is likely.

But speaking of the EC, I love how they are going on about artistic integrity but they are now trying to please as many fans as possible with this extension.. my impression from how Bioware has been describing it is that it's still going to be as super ambiguous as ever, so that apparently IT supporters will still be happy and so will the people who are actually satisfied with the endings. Um, no. That's not even possible! The whole point of IT is so that those endings actually DIDN'T HAPPEN but were in fact a hallucination. How can they happen and not have actually happened at the same time? If they really had 'artistic integrity' they would just stick with one thing, give us as many details/explanations as possible and tell us to deal with it. The reason we're not happy is because there are gaping plot holes and nothing makes sense! And the reason so many people are so against the indoctrination theory is because they don't believe bioware is capable of thinking of something so awesome.. it's not because they are happy with the endings. If they just went with IT and fleshed it out, everyone would be happy because it's canon and it makes sense! ARGHH.

Modifié par sunnie7699, 06 mai 2012 - 09:46 .

[Emeraldfern]

@Delerius_Jedi

Welcome to the thread!

I am one stubborn person, so my hope to save Thane is not going away anytime soon

But the idea you suggested is one I could consider, but only if there is no way BW could save Thane.

And like I stated I haven't given up yet.

Because as our dear assassin would put it himself:

"A slim chance is better than no chance"

and

"You've built a career on performing the impossible"

[Fraevar]

Thank you for the welcome, everyone

Tashash wrote...

What I would like is for Thane to at least survive untill the end of ME3...Hell, near the end, not in the first third of the game!

And the Fan vid? If that is what I'd originally gotten for the end, with Thane replacing Liara, and the scene you described with Shep walking toward him out of the sea...I could have accepted that - I would have ENJOYED that, knowing that even if my Shep is dead she's with someone she loves.

Yes, that would have been satisfying, bittersweet, but much more palatable than the steaming pile of BS we were served.

This was the issue I had as well - but it's not confined to Thane - every character who wasn't in ME1 is more or less sidelined in ME3. This was disappointing but if we look at the cold realities of game development, they would have needed another 18 months devoted solely to story and content production if they were going to give equal reverence to every character in the series. They had to choose, that much is obvious, and they chose the characters with the most chance of making it through the whole game. I just think it's a sad indication of how bad EA's pritorities for a "big, successful AAA game" are in conflict with the original BioWare goal of producing a trilogy with actual diverging paths based on player input. Instead, to accomodate the former, the latter was reworked so choices were only sprinkling on top of a decidedly uniformly flavored cake.

As to the end, I agree with you there, they kept using the word 'bittersweet' but they have only been able to get the 'bitter' part done.

sunnie7699 wrote...

But
speaking of the EC, I love how they are going on about artistic
integrity but they are now trying to please as many fans as possible
with this extension.. my impression from how Bioware has been describing
it is that it's still going to be as super ambiguous as ever, so that
apparently IT supporters will still be happy and so will the people who
are actually satisfied with the endings. Um, no. That's not even
possible! The whole point of IT is so that those endings actually DIDN'T
HAPPEN but were in fact a hallucination. How can they happen and not
have actually happened at the same time? If they really had 'artistic
integrity' they would just stick with one thing, give us as many
details/explanations as possible and tell us to deal with it. The reason
we're not happy is because there are gaping plot holes and nothing
makes sense! And the reason so many people are so against the
indoctrination theory is because they don't believe bioware is capable
of thinking of something so awesome.. it's not because they are happy
with the endings. If they just went with IT and fleshed it out, everyone
would be happy because it's canon and it makes sense! ARGHH.

And therein lies my own concern about the EC. BioWare does not seem to understand that what people are protesting, in addition to the lack of choice, is the lack of logical consistency. You can't hide behind 'artistic integrity' when the last 10 minutes of your game breaks your own universe. To me, the very existence of the Catalyst, if we're supposed to take it at face value means that everything going back to ME1 is invalidated. Why did Sovereign need the Geth? Hey why did we need Sovereign at all? Star Kid could just turn the Citadel Relay on by itself, right? It is literally a Pandora's Box that never should have been opened, and no amount of wishful thinking on the part of BioWare will change that. And yes, there are signs that several employees within the company feel the same way, but the question remain whether or not they'll be able to effect change. I question the ability to actually get a proper conclusion for Thane written, since his creator, Chris L'Etoile left BioWare after he'd finished his ME2 duties because he didn't want to work for EA. 

If you'll excuse the tangent, I do see one thing hopefully coming from all this: more consumer awareness. Here's a game that ticks all the boxes a publisher wants: Online connectivity, action, monitization built into the game (EMS system and MP packs), but has been met with a resounding of: "NOT GOOD ENOUGH!" from its most ardent customers, because the game ultimately fails to deliver on its original premise: Story.

But I still think it's sad that we even got to this point, especially with the one series that had so much potential and which could/should have been a beacon of quality in today's AAA market of rapid sequels lacking depth.

We spent all this time getting invested in these characters, loving their stories and wanting to see it all brought to a meaningful conclusion. And in the end...most of it simply wasn't

@Emeraldfern

Keep your chin up. It's not over 'til it's over!

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 06 mai 2012 - 10:27 .

[blueshepard]

coldwetn0se wrote...

*Perpetually Drunk Shepard is lying in her aquarium....(yeah, yeah.....Jack was right; blowin' a big hole through the damn thing rendered it useless to hold any form of liquid.....blah, belch, wuteva...)  She's licking at the little metal ball of the space hamsters water bottle (now filled with Gin).*

PDS - "Why did they haf to give you dammabble Keprals!  Wasn't your past pathetic enuff as it was?  Maybe they should have thrown in a few boils on your pretty green face___"
Thane in Hallucination Form - "Siha, my people have been suffering Kepral's for a long time.  I was not special in any way from them.  Nor did my past make me immune."
PDS - "__or maybe your house burnned down too....could've made your kid blind....hell AND deaf___"
Thane in Hallucination Form - "I don't think they were intending me to be quite so....anguished."
PDS - "_____you could have defaulted on your mortgage, had a clerical error from the tax collectors and now you owe a bazillion credits_____"
Thane in Hallucination Form - "This is sounding slightly over the top, Siha.  Perhaps we should just make out for a bit."
PDS - "_____cold sores on your lips, gout, genetial warts__"
Thane in Hallucination Form - "This is disturbing."
*Thane notices that Perpetually Drunk Shepard is typing something on a datapad while having this conversation.*
Thane in Hallucination Form - "Siha, what are you typing?.....Are you "tweeting"??......Siha, please.......Shepard.....ULEE!  Stop giving them ideas!!"
PDS - "....wanna lick my ball?"

@Coldi: I would bring this into the Fanbook - is this ok for you my dear?

@all of you who twittert: THANK YOU SO MUCH! Yesterday I was really depressed about anything and asked myself for what purpose we still working so hard on that book. Today I got the answere You ladies are LOVE!!! <3 Not more to say. That's the spirit

[Tashash]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Thank you for the welcome, everyone

Tashash wrote...

What I would like is for Thane to at least survive untill the end of ME3...Hell, near the end, not in the first third of the game!

And the Fan vid? If that is what I'd originally gotten for the end, with Thane replacing Liara, and the scene you described with Shep walking toward him out of the sea...I could have accepted that - I would have ENJOYED that, knowing that even if my Shep is dead she's with someone she loves.

Yes, that would have been satisfying, bittersweet, but much more palatable than the steaming pile of BS we were served.

This was the issue I had as well - but it's not confined to Thane - every character who wasn't in ME1 is more or less sidelined in ME3. This was disappointing but if we look at the cold realities of game development, they would have needed another 18 months devoted solely to story and content production if they were going to give equal reverence to every character in the series. They had to choose, that much is obvious, and they chose the characters with the most chance of making it through the whole game. I just think it's a sad indication of how bad EA's pritorities for a "big, successful AAA game" are in conflict with the original BioWare goal of producing a trilogy with actual diverging paths based on player input. Instead, to accomodate the former, the latter was reworked so choices were only sprinkling on top of a decidedly uniformly flavored cake.

As to the end, I agree with you there, they kept using the word 'bittersweet' but they have only been able to get the 'bitter' part done.

See, the 'we didn't have time excuse' sticks in my caw, why? Because BW has already delayed release of a game due to time constaints interferring with game quality!!!!!!

They delayed DA:O, what, about six months? Some whiners weren't happy - but when it came down to it the majority of their consumers were happy to wait if it meant a better game. Dragon Age now has a huge fanbase, with people more than willing to pay for their product and the DLC's - Hell, how many people bought Awakenings, glorified DLC that it was? (No offence, loved Awakenings)

The usual equation of Time=Money works in inverse here - Spend more time, get more money.

So, yeah, ''Time constaints''? Not flying with me - I ain't as green as I am cabbage looking