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[wildannie]

The optional thing annoys me a lot too, Tali is optional in ME2, without her someone dies in the suicide mission but she is optional. I didn't recruit her in my ME2 import to ME3 and she's not in the game (neither is Kasumi).

I think Mr Weekes was just trying to make an excuse for the inexcusable. It is not a valid argument.

I agree with OP and most of the comments here ...not you Durgon Ironfist.

I also found it infuriating that in addition to noone mentioning Thane's death, they mention other deaths. Liara started banging on about her mother!!! she'd been dead 3 years, Thane had been dead 3 days.
Anderson talks of Kai Leng and again, not a peep about Thane.

Edit:

It would have been SO easy for them to fit in a survival scenario alongside the current story.  

If romanced the conversation in the hospital could have had him mention that he was on the transplant list, so there was some hope.

Shepard could then have got an email from Kolyat saying that he'd had the transplant and was doing well but was in isolation to prevent infection as his immune system was low or something.

The Kai Leng mission could have largely gone down the same way, Thane having to make a run for it and then fighting Leng and getting stabbed.

At the hospital, Thane now has the strength to pull through but still needs to recuperate so can't join the crew.

Okay, it's not the best but it would have been fairly simple to implement and would have prevented us all having to put up with the terrible handling of his death.

Сообщение изменено: wildannie, 11 Март 2012 - 03:28 .

[Sarah1281]

The optional thing annoys me a lot too, Tali is optional in ME2,

But she's not optional in ME1 and she's one of only two squad members that stay with you all three games so good luck forgetting her.

[double02]

His final battle was awesome, at least.

[wildannie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The optional thing annoys me a lot too, Tali is optional in ME2,

But she's not optional in ME1 and she's one of only two squad members that stay with you all three games so good luck forgetting her.

they didn't forget Thane, that's total BS, they just didn't bother.  I always forget Tali, even in ME1 I never use her and leave her down in engineering with Adams.

[PrinceLionheart]

 Thane's story in ME3 came off as anticlimatic more than anything else.

[atheelogos]

Really? I thought he was handled rather well. Went out like a boss.

[PrinceLionheart]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The only problem is that Thane says his doctor's prognosis is that he had 3 months to live 9 months ago.

Perhaps he kept this a secret from Shepard.

The way Thane is treated really isn't that different from how they treated Jacob. Thane and Jacob are the only love inerests you can't get the romance achievement with. If you are just a friend to them, their stories make sense.

In a way, yes. There's not much difference between a friend and a love interest. I prefer Thane's treatment, though, because he doesn't quickly dump you, not feel the need to mention it, and then act like you're being out of line by calling him on it. He also doesn't knock somebody up and gush about how happy he is to be a father to you. Thane dies, yes, but he still loves you and doesn't throw you over at the first available opportunity.

I actually watched the Jacob video on youtube. It felt like the game was conspiring to make FemShep out to be the clingy ex.

[PrinceLionheart]

atheelogos wrote...

Really? I thought he was handled rather well. Went out like a boss.

Think of it from the romance perspective though. Jacob's story in of itself wasn't bad either. It was actually good. But it had absolutely no closure for the romance. 

[Lucy Glitter]

Devs said they forgot about him in 3. If they put hope for his syndrome in LotSB (dossier said a lung transplant would work), why did they retcon it? That's entirely inconsistent.

So many things wrong with this game, I wish it never came out.

[DarkPhoenixAsh]

double02 wrote...

His final battle was awesome, at least.

I agree - to a point.

Playing as Thane's friend: I thought the fight was done well.  Thane wasn't out of character.  This isn't the first time he's thrown himself into the line of fire to protect an innocent (his recruitment mission with the salarians that got trapt in the tower).  He tried as hard as he could but fell short due to his health complications.  The death was honorable and that's all most of us could have asked for.

Playing a Shepard that romanced Thane: It was more than uncomfortable for me to watch because of the lack of care and emotion Shepard had at that moment.  She didn't try to stop it, didn't help him after he got hurt, and kept running along like he wasn't anything special to her.

PrinceLionheart wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Really? I thought he was handled rather well. Went out like a boss.

Think
of it from the romance perspective though. Jacob's story in of itself
wasn't bad either. It was actually good. But it had absolutely no
closure for the romance. 

Thank you.  I'm also sorry to hear about the Jacob romance as well.    I'd like to give all the Jacob-Romancers a hug right now.  *huggles*

Сообщение изменено: DarkPhoenixAsh, 11 Март 2012 - 04:08 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

I loved that fight. It was awesome. I wanted to see Thane go out with a bang, saving some lives in the process, and he certainly did. That's how he wanted to die.

There just is this incredible lack of attention to him magnified when it comes to the romance part of his story. Everything, for the most part, is fine without the romance. But this is a character that was designed as fan service for the female fan base and designed as a romance. Not strictly so, because he is awesome enough for the male fan base and anyone that doesn't care to romance him. It's just so very, very strange that the romance was handled the way it was.

edit:

DarkPhoenixAsh wrote...


Playing a Shepard that romanced Thane: it was more than uncomfortable for
me to watch because of the lack of care and emotion Shepard had at
that
moment.  She didn't try to stop it, didn't help him after he got hurt,
and kept running along like he wasn't anything special to her.

And potentially jeopardize the galaxy by letting Kai Leng get away to kill the rest of the council? Besides, I've viewed part of the reasoning she goes after him is because she's friggen pissed off for what just happened. Even Thane said to go after Leng, keep the council safe.

The proper time to have shown affection towards Thane over the issue would have been in that hospital.

It was a situation of duty before heart.

Сообщение изменено: Lucky Thirteen, 11 Март 2012 - 04:00 .

[DarkPhoenixAsh]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

DarkPhoenixAsh wrote...


Playing a Shepard that romanced Thane: it was more than uncomfortable for
me to watch because of the lack of care and emotion Shepard had at
that
moment.  She didn't try to stop it, didn't help him after he got hurt,
and kept running along like he wasn't anything special to her.

And potentially jeopardize the galaxy by letting Kai Leng get away to kill the rest of the council? Besides, I've viewed part of the reasoning she goes after him is because she's friggen pissed off for what just happened. Even Thane said to go after Leng, keep the council safe.

The proper time to have shown affection towards Thane over the issue would have been in that hospital.

It was a situation of duty before heart.

I'm not trying to sell the battle short, honest.  He made a choice to put himself in danger to save someone.  I'm not trying to say Shepard should forget her duty either.

I don't think Shepard should have dropped everything and focused strictly on Thane.  Not suggesting that at all.  She just had little to no reaction - and that threw me off.  In an earlier post I suggested something like possibly leaving a squad member you took with you behind to help get him to the medical center faster.  It's hard for me to believe that if someone's lover was stabbed with a sword there wouldn't be some sort of emotional response.  Something more than, "How bad is it?" and -poof- gone.

I'm not saying she should shriek in horror and go into a crying fit or anything along the lines either.  She wasn't far away from him.  After she runs over to him, she could have quickly checked the wound while she's telling Bailey to get someone out there.  No squad members lost and she goes on.

Сообщение изменено: DarkPhoenixAsh, 11 Март 2012 - 04:36 .

[freakmomah]

Hello! I really don't play video games until i saw thane in ME2 when my husband was playing. He's the only reason i bothered to learn how to use an xbox...

At the moment, i'm trying to figure out if bioware did put in a very exact & complex series of actions & conditions that would save thane. I know i would if i were in charge, just to see how far the devotion would go. So far only the not see him straight away & have kirrahe from ME1 alive has been confirmed. Other factors seems obvious. However, i need to know... Has bioware made an official statement that there is absolutely no way to save him? 2 days ago, there seemed to be no way to save mordin & miranda either, until someone cracked the code.

[lady winde]

I thought Thane's outcome was fitting, as well as the other scripted deaths.

I liked that despite how far along his illness was, he still sought to protect people and even took on Kai Leng. He went out fighting instead of withering away and I liked that. And he was right in saying that the assassin should have been ashamed because he, who wasn't at his best, kept the assassin from his target.

I definitely cried the gross sobbing tears as the prayers happened and even more so when it turned out they weren't for him but for the player. It was nice to get revenge as well.

I'm sorry that you guys were unhappy with Thane's outcome, but for me personally I thought it was very well done.

[lyssalu]

 well, it's done.  all of the me2 characters got a pretty bad wrap, honestly, but i'm not expecting anything to change.  i think the developers had bigger plans for thane, but unfortunately, those plans got sidelined because they wanted to focus more of their attention on aspects of the game that were important to a larger group of people.

really, i think what a lot of the people outside of the thane fandom are missing is that there really was a disturbing amount of foreshadowing that was put into thane's future only for it to be dropped because they needed to direct their focus elsewhere.  it sucks that they were so public with it and that they got our hopes up, but there's really nothing to be said for it now except they set the bar a lot higher than they were able to achieve at and the story suffered for it.

i mean, at one point, this happened:

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/117053879211925504/

CONFIRMED.  Major event happens at Kahje!!!

anyone remember the lung curing medigel that was so important to the hanar scientists?  yeah, this tweet about the hanar homeworld was up in conjunction with that.  they were setting us up for something that never happened, and that's something that i wish others could be more understanding of.  thane wasn't doomed to die, it  wasn't hopeless to hope, we aren't pulling things out of our asses, and yeah, it was heavily implied that thane had a pretty decent shot at making it through.

another good example of this:  in lotsb, we get the letter, yes?  and with that letter, we learn of a lung transplant that would extend thane's life, yeah?  why would it be in the interest of good storytelling to show the fans thane's death letter in advance of his actual death if it weren't  being used to heavily imply that thane's death at the very least wouldn't be happening on screen?

haha, can't get over the fact that we get that **** mailed to us again!  i seriously can't deal with that.  really, how ridiculous.

it should also be pointed out that in the leaked script, thane successfully pulled off incapacitating kai leng without being wounded.  i think the exact wording went something like, "thane pulls off a slick move" and he succeeded, and his success depended on how your interaction with the VS panned out.  i mean, that was obviously scrapped, but the fact that it was in the works at one point at least makes it pretty conclusive that what inevitably happened wasn't a part of some master plan.

just keep in mind  though, guys, that bioware didn't do this as some sick joke and that there are people on the writing team  who legitimately wanted to pull through for us and likely didn't have the authority, time, or resources to do so.  i understand anger but it's pretty much futile at this point. 

Сообщение изменено: lyssalu, 11 Март 2012 - 05:21 .

[lyssalu]

lady winde wrote...

I thought Thane's outcome was fitting, as well as the other scripted deaths.

I liked that despite how far along his illness was, he still sought to protect people and even took on Kai Leng. He went out fighting instead of withering away and I liked that. And he was right in saying that the assassin should have been ashamed because he, who wasn't at his best, kept the assassin from his target.

I definitely cried the gross sobbing tears as the prayers happened and even more so when it turned out they weren't for him but for the player. It was nice to get revenge as well.

I'm sorry that you guys were unhappy with Thane's outcome, but for me personally I thought it was very well done.

i'd also like to point out that no one is upset that thane died, they're upset over being led on.  that seems to be the primary problem here.  well, that and the egregious lack of romantic content and the fact that he doesn't even grant shepard the paramour achievement.

Сообщение изменено: lyssalu, 11 Март 2012 - 05:26 .

[lady winde]

I never said anyone was upset as well.

[lyssalu]

lady winde wrote...

I never said anyone was upset as well.

lol i'm not really sure what you're talking about?

you essentially dismissed people being unhappy over thane because you thought that the content given was satisfactory -- "i'm sorry you're upset, but,"  

like idk man what???

from an objective standpoint, it wasn't.  there is evidence to the contrary.  a developer admitted themselves that they dropped the ball and that things were forgotten about due to the number of people involved in the writing process.

[coldwetn0se]

Well posted thoughts by all; even those with contrary opinions to this topic.  Everyone has a right to their opinion.  

I started to write a really long, and frankly, boring post, but.....  No one is interested in how I came into this game, nor why amongst all the great LI's we had to choose from, I ALWAYS chose Thane for my F!Sheps.  But the fact is I did.  I knew about the leak, though I didn't read it, and eventually (like just about everyone on this board), I learned about the endings.  But I still was hopeful on how this third and final installment would be handled.  I will not simply repeat all the wonderful words that others have already wrote in this thread, but I will leave a few thoughts: 

I feel gut punched from the lack of Thane love by my BW's Shepard, and lack of recognition from anyone else...except the man who stabbed him.

I have also seen posts from others (not in a romance with Thane) in the Thane Thread that had Thane alive after the SM in ME2, but didn't even notice him in the hospital, so they never even spoke to him in their ME3 playthrough.   He end's up being destined to die (I believe) in the Hospital just like HE DIDN"T WANT TO!

No Paramour achievement, though you got one at the end of ME2 for being in a romance with him, so.........hmm.

Why couldn't they have made Thane proactive about his condition, if he was in a romance with your Shep.  I personally never NEEDED to feel like I had to save him, but instead, if you did his LM (assuming you didn't fail it) he got his son back in his life.  And of course, Romanced Thane believes his Siha "woke him up".  The lore was built in that he could potentially extend his life, so why not have HIM choose this if you completed his LM successfully, and romanced him.  This gives Thane some autonomy, and the players choice, based on tasks at hand.  Besides, what else did he have to do while Shep is sequestered for six months?!?

At this point, it is in the vault.  It is what it is.  I literally have put all of my ME games up on the shelf  (facing backwards so I can't read the title...total dork), and my husband has been very patient with this black funk I have been in.  I didn't even finish my gineau pig M!Shep (newly created custom Shep in ME3), even though the default background doesn't even have Thane around.  It's Iike I can't "unsee" it.  And of course my Cate Shep import, was deleted, and left to sit in save files for ME2.

This too shall pass, and I will gladly go back to DA.  I am very grateful to all the forumnites that "live in the crazy" in these threads, or at least other posters who tolerate us.....HA!!

Happy gaming and sorry for the slightly bi-polar rant.  Hugs to all ME3 players who feel down.....for what ever their reasons are!   Cheers!

*Editted for spelling*

Сообщение изменено: coldwetn0se, 11 Март 2012 - 06:12 .

[lady winde]

I was expressing my opinion on how Thane died. I wasn't belittling or dismissing anyone's opinion on the matter.

No where did I say that you guys shouldn't feel the way you do nor did I say that my opinion is the end all be all and that you shouldn't feel the way you do because you don't share my opinion.

I expressed why I felt the way I did with no ill intent and what you quoted isn't what I said nor what I meant.

I never followed up on the character nor have I tracked what the developers have said regarding his character. My opinion is solely based on what I came across from Thane in game. Hope that was clearer.

[lyssalu]

lady winde wrote...

I was expressing my opinion on how Thane died. I wasn't belittling or dismissing anyone's opinion on the matter.

No where did I say that you guys shouldn't feel the way you do nor did I say that my opinion is the end all be all and that you shouldn't feel the way you do because you don't share my opinion.

I expressed why I felt the way I did with no ill intent and what you quoted isn't what I said nor what I meant.

I never followed up on the character nor have I tracked what the developers have said regarding his character. My opinion is solely based on what I came across from Thane in game. Hope that was clearer.

sure, it  was clearer.  thank you for clarifying.  i'm just not sure why it was relevant?

i think i'm just butthurt that people are generally refusing to acknowledge how poorly thane was handled due to the common sentiment being KAI LENG FIGHT IS KEWL 

that doesn't really contribute much to the discussion

[lady winde]

Well I thought it contributed a different view is all. Anyways, with what you said regarding the developers dropping the ball is definitely something I'll read up on though.

[coldwetn0se]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Like I said in an earlier post, I am not great with words but I think a part of me wanted to come out with this.

My husband of ten years died from cancer last year and he was a Marine. I connected with Thane because he reminded me in a way of my own husband. Perhaps if anyone wants to hear about my connection with Thane and why I don’t think a “cure” is unrealistic, I will share. I also don’t think wanting to save the man you love is wrong. I sure in the hell wanted to save my husband. In real life, I couldn’t do that. But I was hoping through a game, I could. I would feel like a hero for once.

I wanted myself and other fans of Thane to have the ending that they wanted. However I will share my personal story if it means anything, even if my writing skills lack.

Giant Hugs to Squeegee!  Wish I had something better to say.  Be well.

[lyssalu]

lady winde wrote...

Well I thought it contributed a different view is all. Anyways, with what you said regarding the developers dropping the ball is definitely something I'll read up on though.

well, thank you!  the fuss they made about potential cures is another one of those things, too.  i just want people to realize that  we're not being unreasonable and that there honestly is cause for distress beyond the fact that our favored character died.