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[Cosmochyck]

@Sarah1281 - no I didn't think they were judging the validity of their deaths either - sorry, wasn't what I meant to imply. I just couldn't remember who else they had listed.

I never romanced Kaidan on any Thane PT (they were clean from ME2), so I don't like that my Shep automatically seems more concerned for Kaidan than the man she loves standing in front of her.
A dialogue option would have been nice.

[Alknost]

Visii wrote...

EvanesceKunoichi wrote...


Yeah
I know! The only thing kaidan says is, "I've heard something about you
and some assassin" Then you can reply, sorry, and he's like, oh yeah
whatever I still love you bla bla bla...not very interesting. 
Then
the next time you talk about it Thane is already dead so you can choose
to stay with him or not, but all I want is THANE!!!!! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Right! I wanted to tell him, I'm With Thane damn you!

I'm also curious as to how Kaidan/Ashley found out about Jack/Thane/Jacob, etc... I mean really, how did they find out? Liara?

@Visii & EvanesceKunoichi

Yep, this lack of choice for Shep to proclaim her decision to remain with Thane in the love triangle conversations is just another slap in the face from the writers who "forgot" that people romanced him. There was all this pre-release chatter about all the work being done on LIs and there being "consequences" for "cheating. But Male Shep gets to hold Ash accountable for Horizon, but Femshep doesn't get the same option for Kaidan? Save the decent fight scene with Kai Leng and he may as well not exist.

If I had to guess I'd say the crew probably leaked information about Shep's personal life to Kaidan. Liara knew, Kasumi knew, and Mordin knew. Kasumi mentioned that in conversations with Thane it was obvious by his demeanor that he was very fond of Shep- something about his eyes fluttering whenever she was the topic of conversation. That being the case it wouldn't be a longshot to say that other crew members may have noticed and gossiped about.

EvanesceKunoichi wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...


Apparently, if you lie, Kaidan gets angry and says 'everybody knows'. I can only assume it was gossip among the crew and the gossip reached Kaidan at some point. Same with Ash.

I got the distinct impression the game was trying to push my Shepard back to Kaidan, which is annoying.

Exhibit A: She gets emotional over Kaidan getting hurt on Mars.
Exhibit B: She tells Thane she's at the hospital to visit Kaidan and there's no way to say she's there for Thane.
Exhibit C: Thane talks about protecting Kaidan  for her and there's no choice to tell him he doesn't need to do that.

The game just assumes the VS is some super important person to Shepard which is incredibly irritating. I have nothing against Kaidan or Ashley but neither of them are more important to my Shep than Thane. :/

It's almost like the game assumes the relationship with Thane was a fling but It wasn't to my Shep. She really loves Thane, damnit. D:

Exactly! I hate that they made Kaidan/Ashley superior to the other LI's. 
On another note on how Kaidan found out about Thane, maybe when they met at Memorial hospital Thane went into one of those drell memory things and reminisced about the night him and shepard spent together before the suicide mission. xD

@Julia_xo & EvanesceKunoichi

The way the dialog is written I certainly got the same impression that we weren't given a choice, that is was "presumed" by the writers that Thane was just a meaningless one-night-stand in Kaidan's absence, and therefore all the conversations were engineerd such that you were forced back into Kaidan's arms if you were in a love triangle. Steered back to Kaidan by omission of choice- they simply omitted Thane. That's just bull****, and it's very irritating considering how the other LIs were handled.

[EvilChani]

thejoyrider wrote...

I'm firmly in the "he did not have to die" camp (and only because of things that BW added to the game & dlc, mind you!) BUT if he IS destined to die, it could have at least been done better!

The most irritating part is that they could easily fix this via a retcon DLC. Hell, I'm writing this as a fanfic since we won't get it, but picture this (and, for those of you who played DA, remember the Liliana DLC?)...

The DLC begins with Thane's death scene. The prayer reading, Shepard checking Thane's breath to see he's dead (which was kinda creepy...at first I thought she was caressing his face, but I was corrected) and her leaving. Cut back to the room with Kolyat, looking out the window to make sure Shepard is gone, moving stealthily to Thane and pulling what looks to be a medigel from his pocket and shooting it into Thane's chest. 

Thane coughs. Kolyat looks worriedly to the door, whispering to Thane that he has to be quiet. He has to get him out of there before anyone figures what's going on. He exits, tells the doc that Drell have certain burial requirements and is taking "the body" with him. He rolls out what looks to be a dead Thane, gets him to a ship and he's out of there. 

From there, we see more...an email from Mordin explaining what he's learned about Kepral's syndrome, telling about the lung medigel that must be given every so often and a "contact" on Sur'Kesh that can handle the lung transplant (he already has the donor organs because it has been arranged behind the scenes...after all, Mordin knew how much Thane meant to Shepard). He gets there, finds out the doctor is missing. Kolyat leaves Thane in the care of the Salarians and goes off to find the doc, fighting what's left of the trouble the reapers (and probably Cerberus) left behind. He still can't find him...time is beginning to run out becuse the medigels will only help Thane for so long. At the last moment, he finds a half dead Salarian that was working with the doc...the doc went to Kahje...

Another Salarian suggests a mask to filter humidity from the air Thane breathes because it may slow the disease even more, in coordination withi the medigel. Kolyat thanks them, gets Thane and heads to Kahje.

Kahje is in an uproar, being attacked by a lone reaper. Kolyat has to fight a reaper (and manages to win with the big jellyfish and other drell helping), fight Cerberus, and find the doc before Thane's time runs out. He manages it, despite Kahje being devastated. He has to wait...

Cut scene to some time later, which just happens to coincide with the end of the game. Thane is up, weaker than he would be if he were fully recovered but he's our man still, and ready to find Shepard. They get to earth as the relays blow (you have to have chosen the destroy ending, and made sure that, in ME2, Thane lived!), their ship crashes. Kolyat may even die, to add weight to this and to satisfy the emo people who just absolutely have to have misery in their entertainment to be happy. Cut to Shepard's hand coming up out of the rubble, struggling to get out. A green hand takes it and pulls her/him free. Cut to controlling Shepard and have a very nice reunion, the one we wanted all along. 

For the whiners who hate Thane living, it can be a Kolyat saves another drell thing and wants to get to Shepard to help because he feels he owes it or some such crap. Or they can just ignore the damned thing and go whine to themselves about how horrible it is that Thane fans are actually happy. Screw them. 

[JECW]

utaker1988 wrote...

JECW wrote...


That's the impression I got as well, and it makes no sense. Why would you get so emotional over a man you haven't seen in two years. Then the next time you do see him he turns his back on you.
If you romanced him that's fine, but if you didn't  then Shepard really shouldn't have been that emotional.

I was irate when I figured out that they were trying to shove Kaidan in my face and have me appear emotional over him.  Why should I be?  I wasn't nice to him when he first showed up on Earth.  On Mars, he starts needling me about Cerberus even Vega had to point out that I had been detained and watched over so there was no way I was in contact with Cerberus.  In the hospital, after how rude and short I'd been with him, he has the gall to ask about "some assassin"....I felt he had no right too.  Not at that point.  Then the response if you tell the truth.  It almost sounds like she's apologizing for it.  "Well, after Horizon...."   WTF?  That is not what happened in my case.  Shep didn't jump into bed with Thane because Kaidan was a douche on Horizon.  Then the whole, "I was here to see Kaidan", NO I was not.  I came because I got your message and I'm here to see you (Thane), not Mr. Needles who can't stop riding my ass about everything.  

Then I clearly choose Thane and the game acts like I didn't choose at all.  I cried.  She didn't even get to tell him she loved him.  It breaks my heart.

I like Kaidan, but I was really annoyed by the way he kept going on and on about cerberus. Shepard told him more than once she wasn't with them, but he wouldn't let it go. Finally I just picked the renegade option to tell him I wasn't going to explain this to him anymore. It went something like that but I can't really remeber.

Then you get to the hospital, and shepard seems more concerned with Kaidan than anything else. It really made no sense to me. Then she asked about Kaidan again when Udina tries to stage his coup. The one good thing was that she did ask about Thane first, but then she asked about Kaidan again. Kaidan looked fine to me when he was pointing that gun at you.

I liked the dialogue you got with Mshep and Ashley when they were talking about Miranda. Tha'ts how it should have gone. I hate femsheps response to Kaidan. It was to apologetic to me. 

Does anyone know if femshep gives that same respose to Kaidan about the other LI's?

[Sarah1281]

Thane coughs. Kolyat looks worriedly to the door, whispering to Thane that he has to be quiet.

But why would Kolyat fake Thane's death and not even tell Shepard?

[coldwetn0se]

EvilChani wrote...

thejoyrider wrote...

I'm firmly in the "he did not have to die" camp (and only because of things that BW added to the game & dlc, mind you!) BUT if he IS destined to die, it could have at least been done better!

The most irritating part is that they could easily fix this via a retcon DLC. Hell, I'm writing this as a fanfic since we won't get it, but picture this (and, for those of you who played DA, remember the Liliana DLC?)...

The DLC begins with Thane's death scene. The prayer reading, Shepard checking Thane's breath to see he's dead (which was kinda creepy...at first I thought she was caressing his face, but I was corrected) and her leaving. Cut back to the room with Kolyat, looking out the window to make sure Shepard is gone, moving stealthily to Thane and pulling what looks to be a medigel from his pocket and shooting it into Thane's chest. 

Thane coughs. Kolyat looks worriedly to the door, whispering to Thane that he has to be quiet. He has to get him out of there before anyone figures what's going on. He exits, tells the doc that Drell have certain burial requirements and is taking "the body" with him. He rolls out what looks to be a dead Thane, gets him to a ship and he's out of there. 

From there, we see more...an email from Mordin explaining what he's learned about Kepral's syndrome, telling about the lung medigel that must be given every so often and a "contact" on Sur'Kesh that can handle the lung transplant (he already has the donor organs because it has been arranged behind the scenes...after all, Mordin knew how much Thane meant to Shepard). He gets there, finds out the doctor is missing. Kolyat leaves Thane in the care of the Salarians and goes off to find the doc, fighting what's left of the trouble the reapers (and probably Cerberus) left behind. He still can't find him...time is beginning to run out becuse the medigels will only help Thane for so long. At the last moment, he finds a half dead Salarian that was working with the doc...the doc went to Kahje...

Another Salarian suggests a mask to filter humidity from the air Thane breathes because it may slow the disease even more, in coordination withi the medigel. Kolyat thanks them, gets Thane and heads to Kahje.

Kahje is in an uproar, being attacked by a lone reaper. Kolyat has to fight a reaper (and manages to win with the big jellyfish and other drell helping), fight Cerberus, and find the doc before Thane's time runs out. He manages it, despite Kahje being devastated. He has to wait...

Cut scene to some time later, which just happens to coincide with the end of the game. Thane is up, weaker than he would be if he were fully recovered but he's our man still, and ready to find Shepard. They get to earth as the relays blow (you have to have chosen the destroy ending, and made sure that, in ME2, Thane lived!), their ship crashes. Kolyat may even die, to add weight to this and to satisfy the emo people who just absolutely have to have misery in their entertainment to be happy. Cut to Shepard's hand coming up out of the rubble, struggling to get out. A green hand takes it and pulls her/him free. Cut to controlling Shepard and have a very nice reunion, the one we wanted all along. 

For the whiners who hate Thane living, it can be a Kolyat saves another drell thing and wants to get to Shepard to help because he feels he owes it or some such crap. Or they can just ignore the damned thing and go whine to themselves about how horrible it is that Thane fans are actually happy. Screw them. 

That was......FANTASTIC!  I have actually been working on the same sort of story line so I have NO problem buying in to that plot.  Make it so.......!

[EvilChani]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Thane coughs. Kolyat looks worriedly to the door, whispering to Thane that he has to be quiet.

But why would Kolyat fake Thane's death and not even tell Shepard?

They don't know whether it will really work or not, for one thing. For another, Thane would not want Shepard distracted from saving the world and Koyat would agree that it would be safer for everyone involved if Shepard is left out of it until (or if) Thane survives all of this. 

[Cosmochyck]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Thane coughs. Kolyat looks worriedly to the door, whispering to Thane that he has to be quiet.

But why would Kolyat fake Thane's death and not even tell Shepard?

Maybe because he knows that Shepard would want to come/help and she/he is needed elsewhere?  Plus this way Shepard has had a chance to say goodbye should it not work out and Thane dies off planet. 

I didn't write it but that's my thoughts. 

[EvilChani]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Thane coughs. Kolyat looks worriedly to the door, whispering to Thane that he has to be quiet.

But why would Kolyat fake Thane's death and not even tell Shepard?

Not sure why this didn't show up the first time, so trying again...

Because they don't know for certain that it'll save him, for one. It's a long shot. Thane also wouldn't want Shepard distracted from her task of saving the world from the reapers (and knows her well enough to know she'd want to be the one helping him). Kolyat would agree and would wait until (or if) Thane survives and recovers to tell her. 

[EvilChani]

coldwetn0se wrote...

That was......FANTASTIC!  I have actually been working on the same sort of story line so I have NO problem buying in to that plot.  Make it so.......!

Working on it as we speak. Once I get the first chapter written (and edited so it doesn't suck!), I'll put it up on fanfiction.net. Thane deserves better than the crap BioWare gave him. 

[Alknost]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Anyone else find it ironic that while Thane is healthy enough to shadowbox in the Hospital lobby when you meet him, exercises for "pleasure", and healthy enough for hand-to-hand combat with Kai Leng, he's supposedly not healthy enough for a proper roll in the hay so Thanemancers have to settle for a creepy make-out scene in the Huerta waiting room?

Well, his punching the air isn't really all that strenuous and the fight with Kai Leng actively killed him so who knows what kind of toll sex would have taken on him?

Lying on one's back and letting the other person do all the work isn't all that strenuous, if you know what I mean. Ever shadowbox in a martial arts class- it is strenuous. Also just wanted to point out that the fight with KL  wasn't what did him in, he would have survived the stab wound if  he weren't in the final stages of Keprals- the doc in the pre-death dialog made it pretty clear that the wound itself was not what was killing him, it was complications from the Keprals. Again, if he can fight Kai Leng like that, he's in good enough physical condition for a quickie excluding any acrobatics of course.

[thejoyrider]

So I've been thinking about the criticism people have when some Thane fans insist that he should die; While I disagree and there are plenty of valid points to support my opinion, I decided to give some thought as to how I'd like things to be if he really and truly is meant to die no matter what and what could have been different to make us happy and I was reminded of one of my favorite movies, Moulin Rouge... From the very beginning you are told straight up that this story doesn't have a happy ending and that is taking a HUGE RISK for the story tellers, because like, to straight up announce that this is a love story with a tragic ending you've got to work your ass off to make bothering to stick around worth it. And in my opinion, it was worth it. A complete and satisfying story was told and by the end you wish desperately that it will surprise you and end differently but it doesn't but you still walk away glad you got to hear the story and regretting nothing.

I feel the Thane romance was set up in a similar way: prepare yourself for the worst, don't expect this to end well, but if you give us a chance you wont regret this.

But they failed massively and let us down.

[Miss Krios]

EvanesceKunoichi wrote...

Alknost wrote...

I just saw this clip of Shepard (male-shep) confronting Ash (romanced, but dumped in ME2 for Miranda). Notice the dialog- in this scenario you get to confront the VS, declare that the relationship was over when they walked out on you on Horizon and this is why your shep moved on...



WHY are there not similar dialog options for a femshep/Thane/Kaidan triangle? Lots of Thanemancers dumped the ME1 LI for similar reasons, so why aren't these options avialable?

Yeah I know! The only thing kaidan says is, "I've heard something about you and some assassin" Then you can reply, sorry, and he's like, oh yeah whatever I still love you bla bla bla...not very interesting. 
Then the next time you talk about it Thane is already dead so you can choose to stay with him or not, but all I want is THANE!!!!! 

As well as I...

[mnomaha]

Exactly. Why bother writing him for us, yes us!, if they were just going to write him off? It makes no flipping sense to put so many resources into a character and just dismiss him. To use those same resources to tease us and just pull it away.

This **** is really frustrating.

[Sarah1281]

I was thinking how the situation could get worse and and I'm come to the conclusion that Bioware could have very easily had someone in the game announce that Thane's disease was now curable at some point after he died and it would have just made things worse.

[thejoyrider]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I was thinking how the situation could get worse and and I'm come to the conclusion that Bioware could have very easily had someone in the game announce that Thane's disease was now curable at some point after he died and it would have just made things worse.

haha well there's our silver lining! at least THAT didn't happen...??? 

[coldwetn0se]

Hainkpe wrote...

The reality was that Thane had a terminal illness. Yet, the character lives in which most major illnesses and ailments were eradicated or managed to the point that quality of life and functionality were less impacted. There was hope. The Hanar were working on the problem. We had Mordin's who worked on the genophage. Thane also had a purpose again and he fell in love with Shepard. All of this giving him reasons to live. None of this was explored in our ending. It just ended.

Having worked in hospice, life does end with a terminal illness but that is at the moment of death. Too many times I have see patients live, truly live, in those last days. What bothers me the most is how the wishes Thane expressed of not wanting to die in a hospital bed was disregarded. In my profession, we would have done what we could to help him be comfortable and to spend his last days with his family and friends. Thane didn't want to go with Shepard as he needed medical treatment yet we had Chakwas. None of it made any sense.

He died.

That's what we get and that's what I've been told time and time again. But that's got the point. The point was he was alive in ME2 and in ME3 he should have still continued to live. But instead he withered away. His romance, his life were given no meaning. From that aspect it hurt because there were players that cared for this character. It was disrespectful and a missed opportunity.

It could have been a great opportunity for a storyline unlike anything else in any other game.

Quoted for truth!

I need cake......and booze.  What, to early??

[Thrazesul]

Won't be saying anything new but Thane's treatment (romance wise at least) was nothing but poor. Even as friends, Thane's death was treated badly, with none caring about his death at all throughout the game.

I've yet to start my Shepard who romanced him and sadly she will not be seeing the light of ME3 and I am glad for it. The reason I'm not entierly wrecked (more than what the endings did to me anyway) is that I never had to endure his failure of a romance on my own Shepard. I have just heard how bad it was, so I can make up my own canon without being tainted by what others have seen and in that one Thane doesn't even die, call me sappy.

The whole cure thing is just thrown even more into the face, after all the teasers we got. Accepting Thane's death I think we all can, but the romance treatment, noo...

Not even an achievement in ME3 for romancing him... sheesh, really low and he wasn't even the only ME2 LI to get thrown aside... this just proves that if you romance the "wrong" LI in ME, you get disappointed.

So add one more protestor.

[mnomaha]

It's like a parent telling you that you can't have a relationship with someone. Excuse me BW, I already have parents, I don't need you telling me that. you shouldn't have created him if there was going to be a problem with *OUR* choices. Oh, but wait, you took those back too.

I started my ThaneShep, but she's still on the Normandy. Just past Mars when she told Kaidan where to shut up about Cerberus. That's as far as she goes.

[utaker1988]

I'm just fed up, I went back to my last ME2 save, put Thane up in Shep's room and left it at that. As far as I'm concerned, it ends there. Unless, they want to address these issues and give a reason why I should bother with 3. I could start another ME2 and try 3 again but it will turn out the same, my butt cannot stay out of Life Support. I've tried for 2 years, I have no willpower.

[CHALET]

Meanwhile, on the Kelly Chambers thread...

[JECW]

utaker1988 wrote...

I'm just fed up, I went back to my last ME2 save, put Thane up in Shep's room and left it at that. As far as I'm concerned, it ends there. Unless, they want to address these issues and give a reason why I should bother with 3. I could start another ME2 and try 3 again but it will turn out the same, my butt cannot stay out of Life Support. I've tried for 2 years, I have no willpower.

I can't really go in Life Support. The whole ship seems pretty empty to me.
It was nice to have Ken and Gabby back in engineering .