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[coldwetn0se]

Ok admit I am blatantly trying to keep this thread on the first page.

First thing I did with my Cate Shep was check to see if there was a picture in my quarters of Thane....nope. Next went to Life Support (had already been there with my gineau pig Shep), and I just sat there and stared......also tried to figure out why they blocked out the window?? Still didn't know at the time that my Thane romance would be so stomped on. Even the letter that I got sounded......hmmm...formal?? Not sure the right word to describe.

[dreman9999]

 Wait a second...This whole topic is about wanting to save Thane?

Wow....That a big dip into fan servise there?

Do understand the transplate is a risk for him? It a desese effecting how aitr is delivered to his system. As surgery like that would be a coin flip. It doesn't even have a 50% garentee success rating. The problem is the getting ait to the blood. No ammount of tech can ever do that out side of nano tenology. His blood has little oxygen, and you thin a surgery that will cause him to lose blood is agood Idea?

[Thrazesul]

The point of this thread is mostly Thane's romance, not neccesarily his death/life. I think most of us accept his death by now.

The romance was butchered. (as well as the lack of any crewmate reacting to his death)

Modifié par Nerana, 14 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[Alknost]

dreman9999 wrote...

 Wait a second...This whole topic is about wanting to save Thane?

Wow....That a big dip into fan servise there?

Do understand the transplate is a risk for him? It a desese effecting how aitr is delivered to his system. As surgery like that would be a coin flip. It doesn't even have a 50% garentee success rating. The problem is the getting ait to the blood. No ammount of tech can ever do that out side of nano tenology. His blood has little oxygen, and you thin a surgery that will cause him to lose blood is agood Idea?

No, that's not what the whole thread is about. Overall this is about how the romance was very poorly done, and a bit of resentment that the devs/writers teased Thane fans with hits to future content pertaining to a cure or medical developments/treatments that may extend his life. There's a lot of other posts that go into more detail about the problems. Personally, I don't mind that Thane died, I saw it comming. But I was appauled with how bad the romance was, and the writers admitted (the quote is around somewhere) that they sort of forgot that there were a ****load of fans who romanced Thane when they wrote the game. It shows.

The romance with Thane in ME3 was about as warm and fuzzy as a rectal exam with a doctor sufferning from cold fingers.

[dreman9999]

Hainkpe wrote...

The reality was that Thane had a terminal illness. Yet, the character lives in which most major illnesses and ailments were eradicated or managed to the point that quality of life and functionality were less impacted. There was hope. The Hanar were working on the problem. We had Mordin's who worked on the genophage. Thane also had a purpose again and he fell in love with Shepard. All of this giving him reasons to live. None of this was explored in our ending. It just ended.

Having worked in hospice, life does end with a terminal illness but that is at the moment of death. Too many times I have see patients live, truly live, in those last days. What bothers me the most is how the wishes Thane expressed of not wanting to die in a hospital bed was disregarded. In my profession, we would have done what we could to help him be comfortable and to spend his last days with his family and friends. Thane didn't want to go with Shepard as he needed medical treatment yet we had Chakwas. None of it made any sense.

He died.

That's what we get and that's what I've been told time and time again. But that's got the point. The point was he was alive in ME2 and in ME3 he should have still continued to live. But instead he withered away. His romance, his life were given no meaning. From that aspect it hurt because there were players that cared for this character. It was disrespectful and a missed opportunity.

It could have been a great opportunity for a storyline unlike anything else in any other game.

The problem you not getting is that the disease Thane has is  similar  to the prosses of alzheimer's. It degrades the organs. For Thane to live, the cells in lungs had to be rebuilt or replace. The cure the hanar are making is one of prevention, not of restoration. If he did take this cure,it just mean he would not get sicker, not that he would no longer be sick.

One has to understand the difference of chemical medic and sergical Medic.  Chemical Medic is meant to stabilize, prevent sickness, and kill off/weaken forgn agents. It meant to help the body restore itself. Sergical is meant to fix the body when it can't just restore it self.  Thane body is not in a condition to fix itself. Lung tissue dose not regrow itself. Even with the medical tech in ME.
ME medic tach is advance in chmical prossesing and sergical prossesing but it the same as now in the cellualar level. They have no mean to rebuild cells. And Thane condition is not only based on his lung but withhis cells aswell. It getting are into the blood stream that's the problem. That can't be done chemically.

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 mars 2012 - 11:20 .

[dreman9999]

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 Wait a second...This whole topic is about wanting to save Thane?

Wow....That a big dip into fan servise there?

Do understand the transplate is a risk for him? It a desese effecting how aitr is delivered to his system. As surgery like that would be a coin flip. It doesn't even have a 50% garentee success rating. The problem is the getting ait to the blood. No ammount of tech can ever do that out side of nano tenology. His blood has little oxygen, and you thin a surgery that will cause him to lose blood is agood Idea?

No, that's not what the whole thread is about. Overall this is about how the romance was very poorly done, and a bit of resentment that the devs/writers teased Thane fans with hits to future content pertaining to a cure or medical developments/treatments that may extend his life. There's a lot of other posts that go into more detail about the problems. Personally, I don't mind that Thane died, I saw it comming. But I was appauled with how bad the romance was, and the writers admitted (the quote is around somewhere) that they sort of forgot that there were a ****load of fans who romanced Thane when they wrote the game. It shows.

The romance with Thane in ME3 was about as warm and fuzzy as a rectal exam with a doctor sufferning from cold fingers.

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

[Visii]

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

[wildannie]

 @dreman9999  this isn't the real world we're talking about, you have no idea of the risks that may or may not have been involved in a transplant 

What you are saying is only your interpretation which is perhaps based in reality in our universe but has little bearing on Mass Effect

@RShara   doesn't bother me (although I reaally hate that Thane dies and could never be okay with it )

Modifié par wildannie, 14 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[RShara]

Does anyone have a problem with my quoting my summary every time someone says, "You knew he was going to die." ?

[dreman9999]

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

[dreman9999]

wildannie wrote...

 @dreman9999  this isn't the real world we're talking about, you have no idea of the risks that may or may not have been involved in a transplant 

What you are saying is only your interpretation which is perhaps based in reality in our universe but has little bearing on Mass Effect

@RShara   doesn't bother me (although I reaally hate that Thane dies and could never be okay with it )

I know it not the really world but I know much of ME tech is based off the real world. No way would they be able to save Thane without a form of nano tech the would prosses the oxygen in the blood for his cells, only cerberus has that tech and it was based for humans. There is no way to have a magic cure. Add in the fact that termial deseaes are not in a vacuum. The patient with it degrades daily.  By anytime he would want to live, it would be too late.

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[JECW]

RShara wrote...

Does anyone have a problem with my quoting my summary every time someone says, "You knew he was going to die." ?

Please post it. Then maybe we all can everytime someone says that.

[Sable Rhapsody]

dreman9999 wrote...
I know it not the really world but I know much of ME tech is based off the real world. No way would they be able to save Thane without a form of nano tech the would prosses the oxygen in the blood for his cells, only cerberus has that tech and it was based for humans. There is no way to have a magic cure. Add in the fact that termial deseaes are not in a vacuum. The patient with it degrades daily.  By anytime he would want to live, it would be too late.

ME tech is loosely based off real-world tech at best.  I work in a neuroscience lab, and I remember cringing at TIM's whole "the brain is intact" bull**** that you find in the files for Lazarus on the Cerberus base. 

When technology is sufficiently advanced, it becomes a handwavey plot element for the writers to use, and that's all.  I'm not saying thought wasn't put into the mythos of ME, but things like Prothean beacons, eezo, Project Lazarus...they have no real-world analogs.  They are essentially the science fiction equivalent of "a wizard did it."  If you can apply that to one problem you can apply it to another, and Thane's condition is no different.

Besides, the point isn't whether Thane lives or dies.  The point is that REGARDLESS of whether he lives or dies, the romance was treated very poorly.

[mnomaha]

I find it very diffult to listen to a person spout medical theories at me with such glaring spelling and punctuation errors.

[mnomaha]

mnomaha wrote...

I find it very diffult to listen to a person spout medical theories at me with such glaring spelling and punctuation errors.

Obviously not talking about you Sable.

[Alknost]

dreman9999 wrote...

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 Wait a second...This whole topic is about wanting to save Thane?

Wow....That a big dip into fan servise there?

Do understand the transplate is a risk for him? It a desese effecting how aitr is delivered to his system. As surgery like that would be a coin flip. It doesn't even have a 50% garentee success rating. The problem is the getting ait to the blood. No ammount of tech can ever do that out side of nano tenology. His blood has little oxygen, and you thin a surgery that will cause him to lose blood is agood Idea?

No, that's not what the whole thread is about. Overall this is about how the romance was very poorly done, and a bit of resentment that the devs/writers teased Thane fans with hits to future content pertaining to a cure or medical developments/treatments that may extend his life. There's a lot of other posts that go into more detail about the problems. Personally, I don't mind that Thane died, I saw it comming. But I was appauled with how bad the romance was, and the writers admitted (the quote is around somewhere) that they sort of forgot that there were a ****load of fans who romanced Thane when they wrote the game. It shows.

The romance with Thane in ME3 was about as warm and fuzzy as a rectal exam with a doctor sufferning from cold fingers.

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

It has nothing to do with the disease. I'm fine with him dying, the treatment of his romance is another matter wholly independent of that. It was so horribly written when carried over in ME3, and thoroughly botched. Even the writers admitted that they forgot about the peeps who romanced Thane. I'm not sure what else is good enough to convince you that the Thane romance was botched, when even the writers admitted that they made a mistake.

Modifié par Alknost, 14 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[coldwetn0se]

dreman9999 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

 @dreman9999  this isn't the real world we're talking about, you have no idea of the risks that may or may not have been involved in a transplant 

What you are saying is only your interpretation which is perhaps based in reality in our universe but has little bearing on Mass Effect

@RShara   doesn't bother me (although I reaally hate that Thane dies and could never be okay with it )

I know it not the really world but I know much of ME tech is based off the real world. No way would they be able to save Thane without a form of nano tech the would prosses the oxygen in the blood for his cells, only cerberus has that tech and it was based for humans. There is no way to have a magic cure. Add in the fact that termial deseaes are not in a vacuum. The patient with it degrades daily.  By anytime he would want to live, it would be too late.

This is something I posted in another thread, but I think it applies to this topic:

People romance the available LI's for all kinds of reasons. I, myself, didn't romance Thane with thoughts of, "well, he's a dying man, but....) In fact, for me, Thane having Keprel's was not even a main focus. His background regarding the "Compact" (very Zevran like in a lot of ways), his spirituality and views on being an assassin, how he met his wife (great story!), how he lost his wife (and consequently his relationship with his son), made him a compelling character. Not to mention his RM (and his general intro), was Freekin' Awesome!!

Yes I was always aware of his disease, but he was NEVER defined by his disease IMO. I have had loved ones who developed terminal diseases, and not ONE of them did I ever define by their disease, nor would they have every wanted that.

Since they did give hints to life extention AND the Hanar were close to developing a cure for it, it was not unreasonable to consider a Thane that lives through ME3. What happens later, could be left up to player imagination. Choices were what we were hoping for. What we got was none COMBINED with no real romance recognition or resolution. My Shepard was already acting out of character in many of the auto-dialogue sequences, and then the way she acted with Thane was downright immersion breaking and appalling!

[lyssalu]

dreman9999 wrote...

 Wait a second...This whole topic is about wanting to save Thane?

Wow....That a big dip into fan servise there?

Do understand the transplate is a risk for him? It a desese effecting how aitr is delivered to his system. As surgery like that would be a coin flip. It doesn't even have a 50% garentee success rating. The problem is the getting ait to the blood. No ammount of tech can ever do that out side of nano tenology. His blood has little oxygen, and you thin a surgery that will cause him to lose blood is agood Idea?

lol don't even try bro

tali and garrus are romance options

shepard got brought back from the dead,

let's not **** about realism and fan service

and no u wrong; it was established in lotsb that lung transplant was an option

why would they do that and then retroactively say nope

cuz they bioware

[wildannie]

mnomaha wrote...

I find it very diffult to listen to a person spout medical theories at me with such glaring spelling and punctuation errors.

I know :lol::lol:, I didn't want to say (not that my punctuation is up to much).

I find posting on these forum a great exercise in self control 

[Alknost]

dreman9999 wrote...

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

Um, for the 3rd time.. No one here is denying that he had a terminal disease, ao I'm not sure why you're so focused on beleiving that's pivotal to our gripes when it's anything but. We're protesting how bad the romance sucked as it carried over to ME3, not to mention the character inconsistencies, and the writers admitted they "dropped the ball" and forgot about the Thanemancers. Soooooo... What does Thane's disease have to do with the writers screwing up? He can die a good death and still have a fulfilling romance written in, to our dismay and protest that was not the case.

[mnomaha]

wildannie wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

I find it very diffult to listen to a person spout medical theories at me with such glaring spelling and punctuation errors.

I know :lol::lol:, I didn't want to say (not that my punctuation is up to much).

I find posting on these forum a great exercise in self control 

Yes, I'm thinking that if I didn't currently have a whole lot of self control, I would have been permabanned by now. And *gasp* they lock you out of your games. I think. I'm usually quite good natured. Must be the BW imposed celibacy speaking.

[dreman9999]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I know it not the really world but I know much of ME tech is based off the real world. No way would they be able to save Thane without a form of nano tech the would prosses the oxygen in the blood for his cells, only cerberus has that tech and it was based for humans. There is no way to have a magic cure. Add in the fact that termial deseaes are not in a vacuum. The patient with it degrades daily.  By anytime he would want to live, it would be too late.

ME tech is loosely based off real-world tech at best.  I work in a neuroscience lab, and I remember cringing at TIM's whole "the brain is intact" bull**** that you find in the files for Lazarus on the Cerberus base. 

When technology is sufficiently advanced, it becomes a handwavey plot element for the writers to use, and that's all.  I'm not saying thought wasn't put into the mythos of ME, but things like Prothean beacons, eezo, Project Lazarus...they have no real-world analogs.  They are essentially the science fiction equivalent of "a wizard did it."  If you can apply that to one problem you can apply it to another, and Thane's condition is no different.

Besides, the point isn't whether Thane lives or dies.  The point is that REGARDLESS of whether he lives or dies, the romance was treated very poorly.

I argue with people to death about that. I'm not going to argue about that here but the extre's of technology in the lore of a science fiction story does not mean everyone has the extreme level tech. It would not make sense if everyone suddenly had it out of the blue. 
As for Eezo, and the prothean becon..Think of it more along the lines of Science fiction means adding elements to the world story that makes the improbible possible. Eezo is similer to the rediation isotops  found in the 1800's. If we told people years early about it, they also would think it's majic. And the prothean beacon is explained by Javik.
The only thing that runs close to the  line of science fantasy is  Project Lazaru  and even that is in the camp of improbable.
And just because you have on questionable element of fantasy doesn't mean everything suddenly becomes fantasy.

[wildannie]

mnomaha wrote...

wildannie wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

I find it very diffult to listen to a person spout medical theories at me with such glaring spelling and punctuation errors.

I know :lol::lol:, I didn't want to say (not that my punctuation is up to much).

I find posting on these forum a great exercise in self control 

Yes, I'm thinking that if I didn't currently have a whole lot of self control, I would have been permabanned by now. And *gasp* they lock you out of your games. I think. I'm usually quite good natured. Must be the BW imposed celibacy speaking.

I'm pretty sure they don't lock out your games but I may be wrong.  Anyway, don't get banned - we need you here

[dreman9999]

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

Um, for the 3rd time.. No one here is denying that he had a terminal disease, ao I'm not sure why you're so focused on beleiving that's pivotal to our gripes when it's anything but. We're protesting how bad the romance sucked as it carried over to ME3, not to mention the character inconsistencies, and the writers admitted they "dropped the ball" and forgot about the Thanemancers. Soooooo... What does Thane's disease have to do with the writers screwing up? He can die a good death and still have a fulfilling romance written in, to our dismay and protest that was not the case.

Inconsistancy? He first wanted to die, then wanted to live when he found something to live for....How is that inconsistant? That normal for any person.

[wildannie]

@dreman9999 - they've cured cancer in ME, medically they are much more advanced than our reality.