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[Alknost]

dreman9999 wrote...

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

Um, for the 3rd time.. No one here is denying that he had a terminal disease, ao I'm not sure why you're so focused on beleiving that's pivotal to our gripes when it's anything but. We're protesting how bad the romance sucked as it carried over to ME3, not to mention the character inconsistencies, and the writers admitted they "dropped the ball" and forgot about the Thanemancers. Soooooo... What does Thane's disease have to do with the writers screwing up? He can die a good death and still have a fulfilling romance written in, to our dismay and protest that was not the case.

Inconsistancy? He first wanted to die, then wanted to live when he found something to live for....How is that inconsistant? That normal for any person.

And in ME3 he was resigned to DIE again despite finding a new will to live in ME2. Is it normal to flip flop like that? No, that's bad writing.

[Sable Rhapsody]

mnomaha wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

I find it very diffult to listen to a person spout medical theories at me with such glaring spelling and punctuation errors.

Obviously not talking about you Sable.

I know   I missed the lot of you during my pre-ME3 internet blackout.

And at any rate, whenever anyone gives me the "that doesn't make medical sense" argument, I just point at Project Lazarus. 

[Cyansomnia]

I think people misunderstand that a lot of us fans wouldn't be so angry if they'd handled this thing a lot better.  Try to see it from our perspective.  We romanced Thane, stayed faithful and got very little time to spend with him before he passed.  The execution was BAD.  It was even admitted that they screwed it up.

How is it fair in any capacity that a ton of characters get lots of talks, romance scenes, etc...

While we get two short (barely different than friendship) encounters with him, no actual deep talks, no real romance scene and have to deal with HIS DEATH on top of it?

*takes a deep breath*  *exhales*

Excuse me, must go bash head against wall now.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 15 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[dreman9999]

lyssalu wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 Wait a second...This whole topic is about wanting to save Thane?

Wow....That a big dip into fan servise there?

Do understand the transplate is a risk for him? It a desese effecting how aitr is delivered to his system. As surgery like that would be a coin flip. It doesn't even have a 50% garentee success rating. The problem is the getting ait to the blood. No ammount of tech can ever do that out side of nano tenology. His blood has little oxygen, and you thin a surgery that will cause him to lose blood is agood Idea?

lol don't even try bro

tali and garrus are romance options

shepard got brought back from the dead,

let's not **** about realism and fan service

and no u wrong; it was established in lotsb that lung transplant was an option

why would they do that and then retroactively say nope

cuz they bioware

Nothing about Tali or Garrus romance is not unrealistic.
And the lazerus project doesn't mean everything suddenly is fantasy.
Also, I know the transplant was a option, I also know that at the time Thane was given the option he did not want to live and that terminal disease arn't in a vacuum. It dramaticly degrades the person over time. Your not understanding the concept of when the option was given to him and the chances of success.

[dreman9999]

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

Um, for the 3rd time.. No one here is denying that he had a terminal disease, ao I'm not sure why you're so focused on beleiving that's pivotal to our gripes when it's anything but. We're protesting how bad the romance sucked as it carried over to ME3, not to mention the character inconsistencies, and the writers admitted they "dropped the ball" and forgot about the Thanemancers. Soooooo... What does Thane's disease have to do with the writers screwing up? He can die a good death and still have a fulfilling romance written in, to our dismay and protest that was not the case.

Inconsistancy? He first wanted to die, then wanted to live when he found something to live for....How is that inconsistant? That normal for any person.

And in ME3 he was resigned to DIE again despite finding a new will to live in ME2. Is it normal to flip flop like that? No, that's bad writing.

Of couse He was. That's normal with a person who are terminally ill. If you know your going to die, your options are to live with it and enjoy your time left or let it crush you. He get itto gether to focus on what he has left in life. That not bad writing that just being human. 

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[mnomaha]

...wait, wait. You're going with the Indoctrination Theory, yet you can't grasp this one? Really?

[dreman9999]

mnomaha wrote...

...wait, wait. You're going with the Indoctrination Theory, yet you can't grasp this one? Really?

I'm sorry. I go with theories that make sense. Thane magicly being cure makes no sense.

[mnomaha]

The Normandy got space magic. Why not Thane?

[wildannie]

dreman9999 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

...wait, wait. You're going with the Indoctrination Theory, yet you can't grasp this one? Really?

I'm sorry. I go with theories that make sense. Thane magicly being cure makes no sense.

sorry to tell you friend... YOU make no sense.

[dreman9999]

mnomaha wrote...

The Normandy got space magic. Why not Thane?

Your taking to someone who beleives in the indorcination theaory....You already know what my awnser's going to be.

[mnomaha]

dreman9999 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

The Normandy got space magic. Why not Thane?

Your taking to someone who beleives in the indorcination theaory....You already know what my awnser's going to be.

If you read that phonetically, it says "indorkination". At this point, I agree.

[dreman9999]

wildannie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

...wait, wait. You're going with the Indoctrination Theory, yet you can't grasp this one? Really?

I'm sorry. I go with theories that make sense. Thane magicly being cure makes no sense.

sorry to tell you friend... YOU make no sense.

Ok...I'll restate it. Thane being the way he is is  not out of character or poor writing. How he acts is normal for a treminally ill patient.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[dreman9999]

mnomaha wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

The Normandy got space magic. Why not Thane?

Your taking to someone who beleives in the indorcination theaory....You already know what my awnser's going to be.

If you read that phonetically, it says "indorkination". At this point, I agree.

Oh stop it..I just missed 2 letters.

[mnomaha]

You also spelled "theory" and "answer" incorrectly.

[coldwetn0se]

@dreman9999 - why do you care what our thoughts and opinions on this matter are? I am glad that you like how Thane's character was handled in ME3. We didn't. No real romance recognition or resolution, and stupidly (as I believe you think we are) hoping that a life extending proceedure may have been provided for him. I am not deluded into thinking we will get any kind of added content for Thane. Think of this as therapy for those that need some group hugs from others that feel the same way. If BW decides to comment on this OR give us a little extra Thane luvin', then.....yea!!

[Alknost]

dreman9999 wrote...

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

Um, for the 3rd time.. No one here is denying that he had a terminal disease, ao I'm not sure why you're so focused on beleiving that's pivotal to our gripes when it's anything but. We're protesting how bad the romance sucked as it carried over to ME3, not to mention the character inconsistencies, and the writers admitted they "dropped the ball" and forgot about the Thanemancers. Soooooo... What does Thane's disease have to do with the writers screwing up? He can die a good death and still have a fulfilling romance written in, to our dismay and protest that was not the case.

Inconsistancy? He first wanted to die, then wanted to live when he found something to live for....How is that inconsistant? That normal for any person.

And in ME3 he was resigned to DIE again despite finding a new will to live in ME2. Is it normal to flip flop like that? No, that's bad writing.

Of couse He was. That's normal with a person who are terminally ill. If you know your going to die, your options are to live with it and enjoy your time left or let it crush you. He get itto gether to focus on what he has left in life. That not bad writing that just being human. 

No, it's bad writing and here's why. The Thane we saw in ME2 was not the Thane we saw in ME3 in both the romance AND the non-romance before the fight scene with Kai Leng.

Let's recap on Thane from ME2:

He was resigned to die before the loyalty mission in ME2, but at least wanted to go out fighting.

That changed if you succeeded at the loyalty mission and helped him restablish a relationship with his estranged son. He felt so passionately about his renewed appreciation for life that if you romanced him he says that he wants to watch over you and "will not let his body pass before it is time", comes to your room and confesses that he doesn't want to die because he has so much to live for during the Femshep love scene.

Keeping this in mind, how do you justify Thane reverting back to the somber, resigned attitude towards to his death in ME3 as if the events in ME2 never happened? He expresses no interest in re-joining Shepard on the Normandy despite his former vows to protect her and his renewed appreciation of life.

There is such a huge inconsistency and disconnect between the ME2 loyal Thane and the ME3 Thane there that it's staggering.  The only time we saw any of the "old" Thane was in the fight with KL and his comment about how Kai should be embarassed that he managed to foil the plot, that was fleeting at best.

Modifié par Alknost, 15 mars 2012 - 12:24 .

[Primalrose]

Sort of glad I didn't pursue a ME2 romance...I had this feeling they wouldn't be given the same treatment as the ME1 options. I still thought Thane's romance conclusion was sweet and tragic, but I didn't know their idea of privacy was standing up beside a completely visible window in a public section of the hospital... XD

Modifié par Primalrose, 15 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing about Tali or Garrus romance is not unrealistic.
And the lazerus project doesn't mean everything suddenly is fantasy.

No, it doesn't but it DOES mean that the devs have no qualms about employing the equivalent of sci-fi magic whenever it suits their needs.  If they'd wanted to use space magic to make curing Thane a viable option, they could have, and I doubt anyone other than the science nerds like me would've blinked twice at its implausibility.

And terminally ill patients don't all have the same outlook on life.  My boyfriend's grandmother beat cancer twice when it seemed like she wasn't going to make it, and even when it took her the third time, she was always a badass with a zest for life.

[EvanesceKunoichi]

dreman9999 wrote...

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

Um, for the 3rd time.. No one here is denying that he had a terminal disease, ao I'm not sure why you're so focused on beleiving that's pivotal to our gripes when it's anything but. We're protesting how bad the romance sucked as it carried over to ME3, not to mention the character inconsistencies, and the writers admitted they "dropped the ball" and forgot about the Thanemancers. Soooooo... What does Thane's disease have to do with the writers screwing up? He can die a good death and still have a fulfilling romance written in, to our dismay and protest that was not the case.

Inconsistancy? He first wanted to die, then wanted to live when he found something to live for....How is that inconsistant? That normal for any person.

Your right, but he didn't necessarily want to die, it was more like he accepted it and wasn't afraid, but when he found something to live for he became afraid of death.

[Alknost]

EvanesceKunoichi wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

Um, for the 3rd time.. No one here is denying that he had a terminal disease, ao I'm not sure why you're so focused on beleiving that's pivotal to our gripes when it's anything but. We're protesting how bad the romance sucked as it carried over to ME3, not to mention the character inconsistencies, and the writers admitted they "dropped the ball" and forgot about the Thanemancers. Soooooo... What does Thane's disease have to do with the writers screwing up? He can die a good death and still have a fulfilling romance written in, to our dismay and protest that was not the case.

Inconsistancy? He first wanted to die, then wanted to live when he found something to live for....How is that inconsistant? That normal for any person.

Your right, but he didn't necessarily want to die, it was more like he accepted it and wasn't afraid, but when he found something to live for he became afraid of death.

but then he flip flopped back again in me3 back to being not afraid and somber. It was as if ME2's loyalty missions and romance didn't take place and he never found a renewed love for life. That's how it was inconsistent and badly written.

[mnomaha]

We wanted a *choice*. We wanted our decisions to matter.

We got nothing.

[Alknost]

Primalrose wrote...

Sort of glad I didn't pursue a ME2 romance...I had this feeling they wouldn't be given the same treatment as the ME1 options. I still thought Thane's romance conclusion was sweet and tragic, but I didn't know their idea of privacy was standing up beside a completely visible window in a public section of the hospital... XD

You know what that reminded me of? Ever go to the mall and see some teenagers frantically sucking face on a mall bench because they have no place to do such things in private (and their parents would probably kill them if they did that at home)? I expected much better for my Femshep than a creepy makout-session in a hospital lobby when the Normany's loft is at Shepard's disposal, and Thane probably had an apartment on the Citadel if he was going to Huerta Memorial on a daily basis for treatment.

Modifié par Alknost, 15 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[wildannie]

Alknost wrote...

Primalrose wrote...

Sort of glad I didn't pursue a ME2 romance...I had this feeling they wouldn't be given the same treatment as the ME1 options. I still thought Thane's romance conclusion was sweet and tragic, but I didn't know their idea of privacy was standing up beside a completely visible window in a public section of the hospital... XD

You know what that reminded me of? Ever go to the mall and see some teenagers frantically sucking face on a mall bench because they have no place to do such things in private (and their parents would probably kill them if they did that at home)? I expected much better for my Femshep than a creepy makout-session in a hospital lobby when the Normany's loft is at Shepard's disposal, and Thane probably had an apartment on the Citadel if he was going to Huerta Memorial on a daily basis for treatment.

agreed, it was totally juvenille and awful... I was shouting at my TV: wtf is this??

[EvanesceKunoichi]

Alknost wrote...

EvanesceKunoichi wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Alknost wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Visii wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but If you thought that then you didn't understand the risk of the desease. They tease about everything and with romance based on Loss, hope it a strong part of development.  From whatI can see, Thane saw the risk of the surgery and opt to face it head on, only to later get over whelem with the fact of death. That happen to meny people who have teminal deseases..It natural. Hell, when we first met him....He told us he want to die. People change.

Yeah, and at the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane didn't want to die anymore. He had reunited with his son, and had begun a relationship with Shepard. He had people to lose, people to leave behind. People to mourn him. He was "awake" he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

And yet...

And yet it was too late then. The conditions for a temial deseise is not in a vacuum. The state degrades daily. Every day you don't have the transplate is massive reduction of success of the surgery. He was a high risk candidate. There was a massive chance of failure for the surgery. I sorry but his chance of living a extremly low.

Um, for the 3rd time.. No one here is denying that he had a terminal disease, ao I'm not sure why you're so focused on beleiving that's pivotal to our gripes when it's anything but. We're protesting how bad the romance sucked as it carried over to ME3, not to mention the character inconsistencies, and the writers admitted they "dropped the ball" and forgot about the Thanemancers. Soooooo... What does Thane's disease have to do with the writers screwing up? He can die a good death and still have a fulfilling romance written in, to our dismay and protest that was not the case.

Inconsistancy? He first wanted to die, then wanted to live when he found something to live for....How is that inconsistant? That normal for any person.

Your right, but he didn't necessarily want to die, it was more like he accepted it and wasn't afraid, but when he found something to live for he became afraid of death.

but then he flip flopped back again in me3 back to being not afraid and somber. It was as if ME2's loyalty missions and romance didn't take place and he never found a renewed love for life. That's how it was inconsistent and badly written.

Yes I agree, it kind of seems like rushed or lazy writting, kind of like how the ending was. 

[Alknost]

mnomaha wrote...

You also spelled "theory" and "answer" incorrectly.

Hey come on, everyone makes typos. My spelling sucks, too!