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[Renmiri1]

@mnomaha - I agree 300% !!!!!

I saw on another forum people saying that the ME fanbase is spoiled and they should just stop whining and get over the ending and the lack of choices. But it is not that simple. I have been a big fan of the Final Fantasy series and in it the protagonist LI dies pierced by a sword (Aeris in FF7) just like Thane but EVERYONE acknowledges the protagonists grief. Hell in a sequel even Aeris herself comes to Cloud in a dream to tell him to move on! He gets another hetero LI with Tifa who has been patiently waiting on him to get over his lost love, not stalking him as Aeris never existed.. On FF10 the protagonist dies, his father dies and his mentor dies, yet fans didn't get so outraged. Because the deaths were written with respect , they matched the story, there was ample reference to the pain their deaths brought, to how beloved and important they were. And we got a Final Fantasy 10-2 which we gladly payed to see the protagonist revived (or not, was a game choice).

I don't see any of this respect in the writing of ME3. Thane, Jacob and some others are treated as afterthoughts and completely ignored by most npcs. On ME2 everyone was asking Sheppard if she was ok with Kaidan snubbing her on Horizon, yet on ME3 her lover dies in her arms and no one says a word! And it also pisses me off that nearly all LI for new FemSheppard players are women. I am not against it being there but I want a choice. And I am still considering if I am going to allow my daughter to play ME3. It seems to me they force the choice of being gay. She is too young and impressionable to have that forced down her throat.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 28 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[utaker1988]

I agree with you, I've been loud enough about. I'm not against gay, bi or whatever one chooses but I do have a problem with someone assuming that my all along straight Shep wants to go that way. I also have a real problem with the line of inconsiderate npc's that start the "Let's Get in Shep's Pants" parade after Thane dies. It's disgusting.

I saw someone who wrote, "if the ending was great, people wouldn't be picking apart the rest of the game." Wrong, I started picking apart the game from the moment I started playing it. No, my batarian hating Cameron would NOT take the fall for an organization that abandoned her. She would have dragged Hackett right under the bus with her. There is no way she would have willingly left Thane behind knowing they had very little time left. She would not have been acting like an in heat animal on Mars when she first saw Liara. She would not have told Thane she was there to see Kaidan when she didn't bother after Mars and wasn't going to bother at that point either. I picked apart the whole Thane meeting. So, that person was wrong. I was nowhere near the end and was already tearing the game apart.

[mnomaha]

Abso-f*ckin-lutely! *fistbump*

[DineBoo]

I have never like the implication in ME3 that femShep was canonically bi or lesbian. She was anyone you wanted her to be in ME1 and 2, but now she's obviously gay or bi? I've played her straight throughout the series, so the lesbian parade after a good friend died annoyed me greatly.

Like others have said, I have nothing against choice like that, but the way the forced it on to femShep ticked me off.

To show how annoying this is to players who play a straight femShep, I have this scenario:

In ME1 and 2, femShep could be who she wants to be. A player chooses to get with the VS. Come ME3, all of sudden femShep is a xenophile and becomes hot for Garrus. Their meeting on Palavan is loaded with romantic gestures. When the VS is hurt, femShep spends all her time talking about Thane and little about the VS injuries. Garrus keeps popping up in Shep's cabin and they keep having moments better suited for a romance. The VS dies. femShep then gets a parade of different aliens to romance, and they don't recognize the VS' death.

Wouldn't that player be annoyed?

[mnomaha]

*snort* The VS group would never stand for it. I haven't been in the FemShep thread for ages, but I think they...are not happy? I have no idea tbh. I should check that out.

Oh and blueberry has been dubbed "The Child" thanks to Jessica in the Samara group. You have to see the pics. It's hilarious.

[mnomaha]

ALERT! ALERT! This f*cking moron of a ....something is suggesting Thane's room for a new squaddie...

http://social.biowar.../index/12289740

[Moira-chan]

i respond...is not the best one, i'm too tired to really discuss, but i responded

[utaker1988]

I try to keep my mouth shut on some things because I know they will end with arguing but there are some things that I will not agree with:

Putting someone else in Life Support. After what they did to Thane, it would be cruel. Some won't care but I will so unless it is Thane in that room, I will keep my money tyvm.

Kolyat as a squadmate. Unless he has taken off to go help his father and managed to step in some serious sh*t, I don't want him with a gun. I didn't do Thane's loyalty mission to go behind his back and do the opposite. This also means that Kolyat has no business parking himself permanently in Life Support as a squadmate.

Kolyat as an LI. I still can't swallow that some want this. Why? For the last time Kolyat is NOT Thane. My Shep is a giant space douche but she would never sleep with Kolyat after being with Thane. WTF is wrong with some people. I know Thane wanted to spend more time with Shepard and Kolyat...but I'm pretty sure that is not what he had in mind. Yeah, a Krios family sammich with Shepard in the middle...don't think so.

A batarian squadmate. Now why would my batarian hating Shepard want one on her ship? She has no need to get to know one and doesn't desire it either. I'll be honest here, I don't like them either. I really don't. They rank right up there with papercuts and nails on a chalkboard. I'd much rather have another camel-toed sex bot on my ship.

Modifié par utaker1988, 29 mai 2012 - 08:08 .

[Vlk3]

Hi everyone
I' ve been reading this thread for some time and I wish to add my voice to the protest. My english is propably very poor, but I'll try to join the discussion.

First thing: I am a new fan of ME series, my friend introduced me to this wonderful game at the beginning of this year. I don't remember why, but I started from ME2 and therefore it's my favorite game. I knew there were romances available when I started playing, but wasn't interested. But then he appeared...
I couldn't resist. He's the best character in entire series, no doubt about that.

When I heard about what happened to Thane in ME3 I was so heartbroken that I felt sick for a few days.

I never believed that he will die in ME3. When he told Shepard about his illness I thought his loyalty mission would be about curing it. Even after his LM I truly believed that in ME3 Shepard will find a cure, because that's what she always does- solving problems that others didn't believe it was possible. I expected mission on Kahje and rescuing hanar scientists who found the treatment... Why would Bioware kill such a wonderful character, especially if he was a LI ?  I just don't get it. He was designed for us, female players and he got the worst treatment... Well, maybe Jacob got the worst but at least he can live. It seems that BioWare don't care about us and they sacrificed this part of fanbase to add some cheap drama to the game. Ok, I understand some people need that.. but why kill a LI? Or just give us an option... If we can't ask for Thane only DLC then we should get at least a cure in other DLC, as an option which would require sacrificing something or someone else. (because we need more drama in a game where all civilisations are being slaughtered)

I'm sure everyone here chose Thane not to experience dramatic and tragic romance, but because of his wonderful character (and looks:wub:). That' s why they should fix him. I never knew he would die, despite of what people keep saying defending his .. role in ME3


// Edit:
I forgot how to add a banner in my signature Any help?

Modifié par Vlk3, 29 mai 2012 - 01:30 .

[utaker1988]

Vlk3 wrote...

Hi everyone
I' ve been reading this thread for some time and I wish to add my voice to the protest. My english is propably very poor, but I'll try to join the discussion.

First thing: I am a new fan of ME series, my friend introduced me to this wonderful game at the beginning of this year. I don't remember why, but I started from ME2 and therefore it's my favorite game. I knew there were romances available when I started playing, but wasn't interested. But then he appeared...
I couldn't resist. He's the best character in entire series, no doubt about that.

When I heard about what happened to Thane in ME3 I was so heartbroken that I felt sick for a few days.

I never believed that he will die in ME3. When he told Shepard about his illness I thought his loyalty mission would be about curing it. Even after his LM I truly believed that in ME3 Shepard will find a cure, because that's what she always does- solving problems that others didn't believe it was possible. I expected mission on Kahje and rescuing hanar scientists who found the treatment... Why would Bioware kill such a wonderful character, especially if he was a LI ?  I just don't get it. He was designed for us, female players and he got the worst treatment... Well, maybe Jacob got the worst but at least he can live. It seems that BioWare don't care about us and they sacrificed this part of fanbase to add some cheap drama to the game. Ok, I understand some people need that.. but why kill a LI? Or just give us an option... If we can't ask for Thane only DLC then we should get at least a cure in other DLC, as an option which would require sacrificing something or someone else. (because we need more drama in a game where all civilisations are being slaughtered)

I'm sure everyone here chose Thane not to experience dramatic and tragic romance, but because of his wonderful character (and looks:wub:). That' s why they should fix him. I never knew he would die, despite of what people keep saying defending his .. role in ME3


// Edit:
I forgot how to add a banner in my signature Any help?

Welcome Vlk3!!  Signature banners can be done by going to Profile...Forum Settings...And then you see the box.  There is a limit as to what you can put in there but for example to add something like this....


You would put in...
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But take out the spaces in the IMG tags (have to put the spaces in so that it will show up in the post) 

OR the easy way is copying and pasting the IMG option that the photo uploading sites normally give you (ie, Photobucket, Image Shack, etc.)

[Vlk3]

Thanks, utaker

I would like to add that I heard Joker saying that Thane died, but that was my other Shep, who romanced Kaidan. Miranda died too, so maybe that was what triggered that..i don't know.

Modifié par Vlk3, 29 mai 2012 - 04:22 .

[Saodade]

I like you vik3

[coldwetn0se]

@Vlk3 - Glad to have another Thane lover/Friend of Thane, here on the thread! Loved what you said; straight to the point of why you liked him, and what you had hoped for in me3....(that was promptly ignored by the powers that be....bleh!)

@utaker - Saw your list regarding Life Support, new sqadmates and Kolyat as a LI >.<
Not sure bw will ever give me a good reason to buy me3 DLC, but not thrilled with the idea of any new squadmate going in LS. Batarian squadmate.....hmmm; I have 2 Sheps out of 11 who would maybe "tolerate" a Batarian squadmate, and two that probably wouldn't mind "troll fodder", BUT just like your lovely ladies....(yes, even Malifecent...HA!) no way would the rest of my 'toons tolerate a Batarian.

Lastly is Kolyat. No. This kid has no business being a squadmate. I adore Kolyat and respect his father, that under no circumstances would he be on the squad. If there wasn't a galactic war going on, and he was just a teenager interested in becoming a soldier, I would probably find a way to help him get the proper training (just like the military does...or tries to). But throwing the kid in as squadmate during this???? Are ya nuts? And as for him being a LI; A WORLD OF NO! Shep is in her 30's, Kolyat is still technically a teenager.....yeesh! If your "mad" for Drell, and really feel like movin' on from Thane (since bw did...blech), then go for Feron!

[utaker1988]

Maybe Joker was afraid to mention Thane if he was romanced, I know Cameron and her anger issues would have ripped his arm off and beat him over the head with it. Hope just would have ran to get Javik and they would have an airlock tossing party.

Speaking of Joker, I think that it's hilarious when some FemShep's try to hit on Joker at the bar and he shoots her down. LOL.... Can't even get Joker. The Joker in Cameron's game is probably scared sh*tless, he knows what happens to the men she gets involved with. Thane dies and she shoots Kaidan...not a good track record. As for Hope, yeah almost the same thing. Thane dies and Hope has Garrus shoot Kaidan. I bet Joker would wet himself if he saw Hope and Garrus walking up to him, "So Joker, we'd like to 'talk' to you."

[Lucky Thirteen]

utaker1988 wrote...

A batarian squadmate. Now why would my batarian hating Shepard want one on her ship? She has no need to get to know one and doesn't desire it either. I'll be honest here, I don't like them either. I really don't. They rank right up there with papercuts and nails on a chalkboard. I'd much rather have another camel-toed sex bot on my ship.

I feel as though one of the great themes of Mass Effect was learning to tolerate people, not blanket them with hate because a group of them did bad stuff.

If that kind of thinking were to hold, Garrus should have never stepped foot on the Normandy because of the **** turians did to humans. Wrex would have never teamed up with Mordin to cure the Genophage. Shepard shouldn't be trying to get Tali and Legion to work together.

Thane himself isn't so full of hate that he'd blame all batarians for a group of criminals that killed his wife. They were getting back at him for killing one of theirs. Thane in fact is against what he did. Getting revenge did not fix things for him. It made things worse and just created a cycle of hate. That's why he has to hide under a fake identity in a hospital and a reason why he doesn't want Kolyat to learn to fight. Thane wants to end the cycle of hate and violence.

But then again, since the ending throws the whole tolerance thing out the window, go right on in hating and wanting to commit genocide on an entire race because that will clearly solve the problem.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 29 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[coldwetn0se]

@ LT - I see where you are going with this, and I do agree. The hitch comes strictly from a RPing standpoint. I know myself and others (and perhaps even you), generally have a "story" surrounding the Shepards we mold through these games. Some of it is presented in the built in backgrounds and some from our own imaginations. I have Shepards who fall in to the very "cut" that you speak of; understanding, patient, tolerating when understanding isn't really met. But, I do have other's who do not follow that.....or, they switch up after certain events in the game, or from ME1 to ME2. Myself, I would not actually oppose a Batarian squadmate (and even if someone does, there reason may be related to how they RP), but the majority of my Sheps would probably not want a Batarian squadmate. That is the beauty of "choice" in games like this, huh. (or at least it should be.....*grumble/stink-eye*)

[Lucky Thirteen]

So if a batarian was mugged on the citadel, the crap beaten out of him, all his credits stolen, and left the bleed to death in a dark ally, these type of Shepard's would keep walking by cause they are that filled of hate for batarians?

I think Thane would be disgusted by that sort of behavior.

The galaxy is falling apart and Shepard needs to act so petty? As in the course of ME3, Shepard had to get the turians, salarians, krogan, geth, and quarians around their personal problems in order to save the galaxy and Shepard needs to be allowed to make an exception for batarians?

If a batarian character wants to help Shepard fight, Shepard needs to get over it and let him help just like all the other people Shepard forced to get over their problems. Can you imagine all these other alien races seeing this, seeing a batarian come out and say, Hey Shepard I want to help defeat the Reapers, and Shepard says, no, f*** off you can't because you're too dangerous and your people deserve to die for what you've done. That's out right hypocrisy.

His people are already brutally massacred by the billions for those 6 months Shepard was incarcerated and if he is an important enough figure that brings the batarians in to help defend the galaxy against the Reapers, that Shepard needs to get over their personal problems with batarians and let them help.

edit: Nvm, these shepards probably are the same types of people to sabotage the genophage and kill all the geth or quarians. people keep bringing up killing Kaidan or having Garrus kill Kaidan like it's a good thing.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 29 mai 2012 - 06:16 .

[Renmiri1]

Feh a batarian or a vorcha squad mate ? Why not ? Just stay away from Thane's room!

[Lucky Thirteen]

I think I'd be mad for a little bit if they stuck a new character in Thane's room, but I'd get over it. I was pissed about Liara taking Miranda's room and mucking it up with her ugly SB garbage. They did the same thing to Grunt, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi's room was turned into a full lounge, Mordin and Jacob's spaces are completely gone now.

Bottom line is Thane didn't ****** all over that room marking his territory like a dog and he isn't using it in ME3. He could have been using it, but he's not.

Actually, if he were to be on the Normandy in ME3, I would prefer he always be in my Shepard's room.

[coldwetn0se]

@LT- hmmm.......not entirely sure why this is upsetting you, and if I am reading you incorrectly, then sorry for my assumptions. Again, I can only really speak for myself, but how I RP is not always clearly defined by in game devices alone, AND it varies from PC to PC. For example; I most certainly have RP'ed an overly emotional, slightly irrational, and definately deeply scarred Shepard before (not my favorite type to RP, but I like having the variety.) Heck, the game mechanics and backgrounds alone, in the first two games, lends to that:
Earthborn- Orphan. I often see this as leading (potentially) a character into that "streetwise" type, but also with a fair helping of "looking out for number one!" Yes, this is just MY interperation of that background, but to me that is kind of the point in role playing.
Colonist - Orphaned at 16; family killed by Batarian Slavers. Batarians are thrown about in not the best light when you read about the Colonist background, and it is reinforced with the side mission in ME1, "I Remember Me." Talith will mention the things that the Batarians did to her, and if you manage to talk her down, and get her help, she will send you a letter in ME2 expressing her wishes for Shepard to help others that were taken by Batarian Slavers. Hell, we even here news reports about the Batarians defending their rights to take slaves. If you RP someone who fights the odds and gets past their tragedy; their anger.......well that is an option on how to RP a character. Other might do the complete opposite. Nothing wrong with a dysfunctional Shepard....hehe!

Then looking at the military background, adds yet another device to how one might role play a Shepard. I do get why you might not like it for yourself; you see your Shepard(s) just as you have described in your two previous posts. Willing to move on, move past, look at the greater good, and so forth. A perfectly fine way to play your Shepards. But some may wish to follow different routes. In ME1 and ME2, the ability to choose renegade options and later in ME2 using Renegade Interrupts, is showing that the game is giving the player the ability to RP their PC's in a multitude of ways. Of course, it's not like I am telling you anything new.

The one thing I have always wished for in these games, is the continued ability to make choices. I personally have never been able to play pure renegade before, but I love the fact that it is a choice. Someone who likes playing evil or douchey, can do so, and their single player experience will have no reflection on mine. It can feel like a personal jab when someone chooses to do things you could never imagine doing yourself (selling Fenris back to Danarius in DA2 comes to mind; would never, ever do that!), and I too don't always like to see someone who writes about doing things like this. However, I think on this thread, most of the posters have become quite familiar with each other, and don't take offense (or mean to give it) when discussing choices that others might not like or do.

Anyway, long winded. Apparently I am in a chatty mood today......I think Shell said that earlier herself...HA!

[Renmiri1]

Thane in Sheppard's room ? Works for me

[Alex Arterius]

Is anything gonna be happening about this? I thought the same when I played the game :/

Didn't really understand why Thane got next to no content in this game despite being the poster character for ME2....

[Vlk3]

@Saodade that's nice

@Alex Arterius  I believe people here try their best to convince BioWare that Thane needs more attention and deserves an option for cure. Unfortunately, there are still too few people complaining about that and too many people out there, who think Thane's 'cameo' was awesome...

[DineBoo]

You know what I don't get? Why does Thane have to die, no if and or buts about it. Just like Jacob had to cheat if he's in a relationship with femShep. I know someone will come around and say Thane was terminal, but this is game where Shepard was brought back to life and the genophage was cured.

Why are these two characters have these forced extremes? As I mentioned in a Jacob thread why, if romanced, couldn't they have a situation like Jack where they're provided a mission, some reconnection, war assets, and that's it? Especially if Jacob was so "unpopular". Why couldn't Kirrahe die in Thane's place and later Shepard visits Thane as he recovers from his injuries?

Sure, a Jack like situation might be unsatisfactory, but it beats auto death and character assassination by a mile.

Jacob and Thane are the only ones who have situations that cannot not be changed as a player. Meanwhile, you could still save Miranda if you talked to her and gave her access to intel, and save Jack if you do her mission time.

I don't think Kirahhe was that beloved of a character that he had to be spared or the fans would revolt. He's cool (Hold the Line!) but if given the choice I probably would have let him die in a few playthroughs.

Since this only happens to femShep, were BW that hell bent on taking away her choice just to lure horny fanboys in? Because its obvious they weren't thinking about new female fans or the ones that stuck through the whole series.

[JECW]

I will happily admit I don't want some useless good for nothing character in Thane's room. If it's a DLC character then they probably wont be in my game because unless they do something about Thane I see no point in buying any DLC. For all we know bioware could just leave the room empty which would be fine by me.

Now if they wanted to put Thane in Shepards cabin then they can put whoever they want in his room.