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utaker1988 wrote...

And the piece of poop is done....

 


:wub::wub::wub:

Made me want to play ME2 again. And OMG seeing the suicide mission footage again made me remember

ME2 Ending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME3 "Ending"

How could they maim the story so badly ?

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HAAWWW HAWWWW ME3? What's that you're talking about? Never heard about that game before in my life! NOPE. DIDN'T HAPPEN.


Sometimes, sometimes I really want to headcanon why a romanced Thane would say such things in Huerta. Did the 6 months away from Shepard make him depressed? Did he think Shepard moved on or something (seeing how she automatically says she's there for the VS, ugh), or thought it was best for her to move on? He probably doesn't think of himself very highly at that point after all.
or the lack of oxygen caused his brain to deteriorate and he just became ****ed in the head. because that's what it really seemed like.

 

I headcanon that while Sheppard was away on Earth he got much worse from the Kepral's syndrome and now BECAUSE Sheppard has so much going and has to save Earth he just pretends he is at peace with dying and not seeing her again, to spare her the pain of seeing him die. He toughs it out alone to give Sheppard a clear mind to face her challenges :crying: All for his siha to not suffer 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 28 juin 2012 - 03:29 .


#6627
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My thoughts on the EC.

Thanks BW, for putting Thane in the final flashback scene and in Hackett's remembrance speech.

But you still don't get points for either because no one in game ever mentions Thane, even if romanced.

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utaker....i cannot see your vid...stupid gema...i've tried it with several tricks, but i cant :(

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Renmiri1 wrote...

[snip]

I headcanon that while Sheppard was away on Earth he got much worse from the Kepral's syndrome and now BECAUSE Sheppard has so much going and has to save Earth he just pretends he is at peace with dying and not seeing her again, to spare her the pain of seeing him die. He toughs it out alone to give Sheppard a clear mind to face her challenges :crying: All for his siha to not suffer 


This seems in character for Thane, I can image him doing this because he believes it's best for Shepard. I really can't think of any other reason why Thane would be so detached and distant when he reunites with Shep. I'm sure he thought out what he would say before he told her he was at Huerta, still the scene just doesn't make any sense. We know he tried writing to her, which seems to be more than we can say for Shepard...pisses me off more when I think of how BW basically said Thane was just a hit and run.

And the EC...I chose synthesis as I had before. I have no qualms with my Shepard dying to "save" the galaxy (didn't care much for the EDI epilogue though) I like to imagine she has reunited with Thane across the sea, I liked seeing him smile at Shepard when she sacrified herself. Also saw Mordin, which I loved. Made me feel like maybe I was making the right decision after all. I felt a little better about the ending, overall I'm definitely still disappointed. I'm not sure I'll ever make another full playthrough when my one and only LI and other favorite characters are shafted.

#6630
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His last prayer is for her.. He didn't dump her, he just tried to make Sheppard not suffer too much with his death. Silly Thane. As if that was possible!

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I have to admit, I feel lucky. I can headcannon everything after ME2, since I never finished a play through in me3. And with everything I have seen on youtube, combined with what I did play back in March, this is how it will remain.....only a miracle from bw adding in the appropriate content (hello extend/save life, recognition of said romance, ect, ect......) would have me pick this game up again. I just had way too many problems with this game even beyond Thane. My game was very glitchy, I didn't care for the graphics, everyone here probably KNOWS my feelings on the beginning of the game, and the fact that most of the dialogue feels like it is coming from some unknown PC.

I actually loaded up the demo last week (I sometimes have the urge to play in Character Creators, and I had just spent a bunch of time in both ME1 and DAO....). After making a new Shepard face, I let the demo begin (it's the only real way to see if you even did a decent job on your 'toon....at least for me), and I swear to you; the beginning scene made me kinda urpy. Definately does NOT get better with age....in fact, it seems to have gotten worse. Course, that could be a festering sour attitude to most of this game. Oh......and my Shepard; fugly. bleh.

Ah well.....I'm trying to take a lighter side to things (better for my head and heart). This is why I joke and poke (fun, that is.....*wink,wink, nudge,nudge*) a lot. I will still analyze, pour out a diatribe or two on everything we have seen/learned about Thane in me3, but I will continue with the levity as needed.














<ridges!> (and I MEAN that s**t!) :D

#6632
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!@#@!#@!# at the ***heads in that thread.

"I cried so you have to cry too"

@#@!#@#@!#

#6633
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*hands @Renmiri a cookie.........a booze filled cookie*

#6634
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yumm... ty :D

Feels almost as good as drell licking ;)

#6635
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Another little POLL to play with......

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coldwetn0se wrote...

Another little POLL to play with......


Meh, would rather play with Thane's pole.

Oh wait..you said POLL.  My bad.

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utaker1988 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Another little POLL to play with......


Meh, would rather play with Thane's pole.

Oh wait..you said POLL.  My bad.



*And coldi walks right into that............pole. <THUNK!>*Posted ImagePosted Image

Good one utaker!

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Hmmmm...poles and pickle juice...I think I know where this is going...

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mnomaha wrote...

Hmmmm...poles and pickle juice...I think I know where this is going...


Where the poles never tire, the ridges never leave, and the siha's never starve?

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Sounds like heaven...oh wait! It is heaven!

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Yes because that is our speculated ending with our LI. Too bad they couldn't muster up a nice little slide for that. I know it would be hard because of custom Sheps but just lazy it out and do a silhouette, where you know it's a female Shepard but can't really see the face. All they need to do is pull out the Tali photoshop guide.

I still would have been miffed that Thane dies so early in the game, his romance arc was crap but I would have smiled for half a second just knowing they remembered Thane again.

I like those threads that are asking for DLC to play as Shepard's LI and go searching for Shep's body. I like to go in and say...Alright! Yes! Totally! I can't wait to see Thane go searching for Shep's body! Space Magic allows resurrection! On second thought, I don't want it. If my Shep's LI can't find her body then I don't want anyone else taking his place.

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Beautiful video utaker. I enjoyed watching it very much.

Also, folks are coming round.  I think the key might be take the time to rationally explain our viewpoint, while not invalidating their own perspective. Of course this won't work with the trolls, but nothing will with them.

We can argue passionately, but I think it's important that we try to come off a bit less emotional, so that the
preponderence of men in this forum can't dismiss our perspective as us just being "emo girls".

Here's one example of my point, check it out  :)

Modifié par giftfish, 28 juin 2012 - 10:46 .


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You are right giftfish, I really liked your post. I hope that what I keep writing there isn't stupid, emo or hard to understand (I never knew writing in english would be so difficult for me- once I was really good at it). ;)

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giftfish wrote...

Beautiful video utaker. I enjoyed watching it very much.

Also, folks are coming round.  I think the key might be take the time to rationally explain our viewpoint, while not invalidating their own perspective. Of course this won't work with the trolls, but nothing will with them.

We can argue passionately, but I think it's important that we try to come off a bit less emotional, so that the
preponderence of men in this forum can't dismiss our perspective as us just being "emo girls".

Here's one example of my point, check it out  :)


As @Vlk3 says, very well done!  Love what you all have posted.  And I love that you and others are reminding these people that Kepral's isn't just a "Thane" illness; it's a tragedy to the whole Drell race.

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coldwetn0se wrote...

giftfish wrote...

Beautiful video utaker. I enjoyed watching it very much.

Also, folks are coming round.  I think the key might be take the time to rationally explain our viewpoint, while not invalidating their own perspective. Of course this won't work with the trolls, but nothing will with them.

We can argue passionately, but I think it's important that we try to come off a bit less emotional, so that the
preponderence of men in this forum can't dismiss our perspective as us just being "emo girls".

Here's one example of my point, check it out  :)


As @Vlk3 says, very well done!  Love what you all have posted.  And I love that you and others are reminding these people that Kepral's isn't just a "Thane" illness; it's a tragedy to the whole Drell race.


Oh, I forgot about that. Must write about it next time. Drell deserve some love too, not only Thane.

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Okay, timeline stuff! People have a tendency to bring up the time-line that Thane mentions in the Hospital; "my favorite doctor gave me three months to live....nine months ago." (not an exact quote, but pretty close. But this is a mess up of previous established time-lines that BW themselves originally created. So, I am going to set up the time line based on the conversation Shepard has with Tali on the Citadel (if any of you know the exact quote I would forever give you chocolate covered ridges...um cookies. yeah, that's it...) where she states that it has been exactly three years since Shepard met her in the back alley of the wards on the Citadel. So working with that in-game timeline, here is a "reasonable" scenario to consider:
1) We have 3years from getting Tali in ME1 to the conversation with Tali on the Citadel in me3

2) We can immediately subtract from that timeline the following:
a) 2 years for dead/rebuilding Shepard
B) 6 months house arrest between ME2 and me3
c) 1 month (roughly; my general assumption) from the time you start ME2 to getting Thane (assuming your not using a game editor to "get Thane early"....and for this exercise we will stick with base game setup).

3) When we first recruit Thane he says he will be fine for the next 8 -12 months (fine means active in my opinion, and after that he is too weak to fight. NOT that he will be DEAD in 8-12 months....the fact that he says "fine" and not "dead" is key.)

4) So far we have the following: 3 (years)
- 2 (years)
- 6 months
- 1 month
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5 months

5) I have seen others post this before, that it is believed that ME1 took place over only a couple of months, while ME2 was longer. I admit I am not working on anything official, so if anyone has any in-game hints referring to length of time for ME1, please let me know. For now, I will use previous posters comments on this, till I can get a better verification. Based on everything we know in the two games, I would follow this is probably correct; roughly 2 months for ME1 (at least AFTER Eden Prime), and the 4 months for ME2. (don't forget, that even though the current total is at 5 months, I had already subtracted one month for time BEFORE getting Thane, in ME2).

6) So, the general timeline would appear as such:
a) First visit to the Citadel in ME1 to the time of Shepards death, roughly 2 months.
B) 2 Years pass till Shepard is resurrected
c) 1 month pass until we get Thane
d) Thane says he will be fine for the next 8-12 months (we are currently at 2year and 3 months out of 3 years)
e) 3 months till the end of the SM
f) 6 months house arrest
g) 1 month till we finally get to speak to Thane at Huerta (this is again, my guess at how much time has passed since Shepard left Earth, went to Mars, Citadel, Palaven and back to the Citadel.

7) So, total number of months from the original "I should be fine for the next 8 -12 months" is: 10 Months

Yes, I do realize I am taking some liberty here, but working on the in-game info that Tali gives us in me3, and using other "known" timelines in game, this seems like a fair breakdown.

This clearly puts Thane still in the window of being "fine"....and anyone who has had sick family/friends or themselves knows that those terminal estimations are generally the average. Lasting a few months longer is not out of the realm of possibility (both Renmiri and myself have mentioned two such real life examples from our own personal experiences.) Because this is the timeline I would have expected them to follow (instead of making up the babble that comes out of Thane's mouth about "3 months to live, 6 months ago"), I would argue, that even without a cure/life extention, he shouldn't have been considered "waiting to die" to begin with. Further evidence that they gave him the heave-ho for character development.

I have more thoughts, but hunger is gnawing at me......must get food. :D

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@ mnomaha: what leaked script? (From your comment in the Thane DLC thread)

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I'm pretty sure it was a leaked script. Something about a mission with Thane and Hanar scientists. I'm at work so don't have my files on hand.

I'm sure someone will chime in.

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mnomaha wrote...

I'm pretty sure it was a leaked script. Something about a mission with Thane and Hanar scientists. I'm at work so don't have my files on hand.

I'm sure someone will chime in.


Ah, ok.  I'm finding a few references to it online here and there, but no article links, just some forum posts.

I can't believe that BW didn't go ahead with this.  It would have been the perfect place for them to introduce the option for a cure, not to mention having another sidequest for ME2 squaddies.  They could have even retained the cereal ninja fight; if Thane had received the cure on Kahje during his side mission,  then he would win the fight against Leng.  If not, then it would proceed as currently written with Thane being mortally wounded and dying from complications on his Kepral's Syndrome.

Obviously they would have also had to fix the drivel that was Thessia.  I think most players had much higher hopes for finally seeing that planet.

But, everyone could have been happy.  Thanemancers and non-Thanmancers, alike.  These changes would only have strengthened the game.

/facepalm

Modifié par giftfish, 29 juin 2012 - 01:20 .


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I thought the leaked script was about Thane assassinating Udina on the Citadel? I can't recall exactly, but I think he had more romance specific lines as well. I wish I had saved that document now.