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Protesting the Poor Treatment of Thane Krios' Romance


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mnomaha

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Hey! I thought my chia pet was brilliant....although I did drink a lot back then. ;)

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utaker1988 wrote...

Did you ever get the feeling that someone was on the toilet during the final writing of ME3 and burst out with, "Oh, I think we forgot the green guy. The lizard!! WTF was his name! Oh dear, everyone is gone, let me just assign his writing to a chia pet. No one will ever know."


Someone was probably on the toilet getting high.
I don't think I will ever understand how that happened. Did any of them play ME2? I guess they thought that was just some random alien on the cover of ME2 with Miranda and Shepard. Did they just forget how long they worked on his creation? It seems like everyone who worked on ME2.

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Attention Thane fans!

As a result of the popularity of the Romance DLC thread and polls on BSN and HTL, folks over at HTL have combined all the suggestions and made a new, more in depth survey. 

It will only take 5 minutes of your time, unless you like to make comments, and we hope to get even more responses than on the BSN polls.

Results will be analyzed, summarized into a report, and sent to Bioware.

If you want to be heard on this issue, this is the best way to do it!

Please take the survey and spread the word!!

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Taken the survey giftfish!!  And in case you haven't seen it, all the hard work put in by Squeegee was finally acknowledged on twitter

https://twitter.com/...626972282327040

https://twitter.com/...2035201/photo/1

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coldwetn0se

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I think we need some Thane lovin' in here....runs off to find Thanecentric material....

*EDIT*
Been posted before, but....yum!
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Modifié par coldwetn0se, 05 juillet 2012 - 04:09 .


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I'm confused. The first question is What do you identify as? What does that mean?

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PorcelynDoll wrote...

I'm confused. The first question is What do you identify as? What does that mean?


Look at the answers - basically, do you usually play as male, female or do you just pick one?

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PorcelynDoll wrote...

I'm confused. The first question is What do you identify as? What does that mean?



When you RP a character....Female Shepard or Male Shepard.  I have both (many in fact), but I identify with female (because I am female).  :)

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Thanks :) Survey done. I hope I wasn't too angry with the comments sections. Oh well.

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Did you guys see that Maurader comic from the other thread? You *have* to see it! Right Tash?!

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I read it, but my Pinot soaked brain isn't comprehending it...explain....as you would a child....(if ya haven't figured it out...I'm the "child") :D

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mnomaha wrote...

Did you guys see that Maurader comic from the other thread? You *have* to see it! Right Tash?!


Also be sure to listen to it when the audio version goes up--here's a teaser I posted in the other thread for the work I was doing today to come up with a fitting voice.

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I have sound!!! LOL I am home and can actually listen to it.

And I lovelovelove this reading of the letter! Too bad bioware didn't have the, well I was going to say foresight, but that would imply they actually cared, compassion to action this in the game.

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I'm back!!!!

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I miss Thane. The conversations you could have with him in ME2 greatly outshine the ones in ME3. This is because he was not chosen as an important enough character to bring depth to the story as compared to someone like... James? That guy has less personality than a rock, and just as much intelligence.

Plus, isn't this a science fiction universe? Why is Shepard's squad consisting of humans when aliens bring so much rich new culture and diversity to the story?

I feel bad for someone, not something. Thane deserves more.

I made this tribute to my femShep's attempt to save him, then later to avenge him. RIP Thane.



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xxjusthumanxx wrote...

I miss Thane. The conversations you could have with him in ME2 greatly outshine the ones in ME3. This is because he was not chosen as an important enough character to bring depth to the story as compared to someone like... James? That guy has less personality than a rock, and just as much intelligence.

Plus, isn't this a science fiction universe? Why is Shepard's squad consisting of humans when aliens bring so much rich new culture and diversity to the story?

I feel bad for someone, not something. Thane deserves more.

I made this tribute to my femShep's attempt to save him, then later to avenge him. RIP Thane.


Awesome!

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Roxy wrote...

Maybe it  didn't bother you and some other people which is fine but it sure bothers us Thane fans when we didn't even get an option to save him...y'know kinda like what Jack,Miranda and the rest got! I got no problem with people who think Thane had an Aweome death but when you've romanced him and want to save him and your shepard is just standing there like a ******..and then come to find out you have no option to save him at all that's pretty much giving us the middle finger! Posted Image


First of all, people misunderstood me. I meant his whole romance was more mature than in the entire series. All the others felt more young. Thane's issues are more of an adult nature than others in the group and I get the feeling that other than Mordin or Wrex one of the oldest crew members you have. I love him for his maturity.

I feel his death was forgone conlusion. I agree Shepard standing there staring was stupid and badly done but Thane's death eventually when you see him should have happened. He was dying anyway but he died saving the council and the citadel. It was honoring Thane not the middle finger.

That would be the Jacob romance. I heard about that and I can't even be buddies with him anymore.

Also I love Thane and it seems you are implying I am not a fan. Not meaning you can't be bothered by it, by all means. Personally though I felt it did better justice to the character than slowly languishing in the hospital. And miracle cure would have taken from the nature of the romance.

Modifié par karushna5, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:46 .


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xxjusthumanxx

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Thanks Renmiri1 :D

I had a blast making it, and Thane is worth every second spent.

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karushna5 wrote...

First of all, people misunderstood me. I meant his whole romance was more mature than in the entire series. All the others felt more young. Thane's issues are more of an adult nature than others in the group and I get the feeling that other than Mordin or Wrex one of the oldest crew members you have. I love him for his maturity.

I feel his death was forgone conlusion. I agree Shepard standing there staring was stupid and badly done but Thane's death eventually when you see him should have happened. He was dying anyway but he died saving the council and the citadel. It was honoring Thane not the middle finger.

That would be the Jacob romance. I heard about that and I can't even be buddies with him anymore.

Also I love Thane and it seems you are implying I am not a fan. Not meaning you can't be bothered by it, by all means. Personally though I felt it did better justice to the character than slowly languishing in the hospital. And miracle cure would have taken from the nature of the romance.



Strange thing is that people tend to think that Thanemancers are "forcing" the issue here, demanding that Thane also gets a chance to survive. Being a preventable death if you like.

I enjoy Thane as a character. I did romance him and found him interesting even when "friend-zoned". I for one have accepted his fleeting life and sadly but it's a fact - "forced" death. I believe most of his fans are expressing the concers over the issue that his romance arch was well simply put....irrelevant. Who he was supposed to be as a character when romanced is not there in the game. It's more about the lack of acknowledging his romance ( no paramour achivement).

It's not his death, it's the strange characterization (completely reversed from what it was supposed to be if he is romanced and from what he stated in romance scene prior Omega relay) that we ( or some of us Thanemancers) are disappointed  about.

Modifié par Aello89, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:10 .


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Welcome back, Renmiri!

Cal- wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Did you guys see that Maurader comic from the other thread? You *have* to see it! Right Tash?!


Also be sure to listen to it when the audio version goes up--here's a teaser I posted in the other thread for the work I was doing today to come up with a fitting voice.


My feels.

The person doing the reading off the letter did an amazing job. I got chills listening to that. It also makes me sad because the letter itself highlights how off Thane's characterization was in ME3.

But thank you for sharing that with us.

karushna5 wrote...
Also I love Thane and it seems you are implying I am not a fan. Not meaning you can't be bothered by it, by all means. Personally though I felt it did better justice to the character than slowly languishing in the hospital. And miracle cure would have taken from the nature of the romance.


There was no Thane romance in ME3. Not really. Unless you count the afterthought groping-fest by the window, which I don't since BioWare did not even consider that worth the paramour achievement. Hence, the overall impression I got was that Thane was not considered a real romance anymore. Shepard's interactions with Thane if romanced were virtually the same as the interactions of those who didn't romance him. The characters never expressed their feelings for each other - there was no 'I love you'. Nothing.

Also, saving Thane would not have required any "Miracle cure". He was eligible for a lung transplant which we found out from his medical report in LotSB. BioWare just swept that tidbit under the rug in ME3 and want to pretend it never existed.

Modifié par Julia_xo, 05 juillet 2012 - 04:26 .


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karushna5 wrote...

Roxy wrote...

Maybe it  didn't bother you and some other people which is fine but it sure bothers us Thane fans when we didn't even get an option to save him...y'know kinda like what Jack,Miranda and the rest got! I got no problem with people who think Thane had an Aweome death but when you've romanced him and want to save him and your shepard is just standing there like a ******..and then come to find out you have no option to save him at all that's pretty much giving us the middle finger! Posted Image


First of all, people misunderstood me. I meant his whole romance was more mature than in the entire series. All the others felt more young. Thane's issues are more of an adult nature than others in the group and I get the feeling that other than Mordin or Wrex one of the oldest crew members you have. I love him for his maturity.

I feel his death was forgone conlusion. I agree Shepard standing there staring was stupid and badly done but Thane's death eventually when you see him should have happened. He was dying anyway but he died saving the council and the citadel. It was honoring Thane not the middle finger.

That would be the Jacob romance. I heard about that and I can't even be buddies with him anymore.

Also I love Thane and it seems you are implying I am not a fan. Not meaning you can't be bothered by it, by all means. Personally though I felt it did better justice to the character than slowly languishing in the hospital. And miracle cure would have taken from the nature of the romance.


Ever lost someone you loved? If you have wouldn't you have gone to the ends of the earth to save them? My dad died of liver failure due to cancer. So you think instead of him spending his last days with his family and friends it would have been better for him to just get run through with a sword? I'll make sure my mum knows that if there was a cure for cancer she shouldn't have bothered with it because that would have taken away from their romance.

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I have to add that I'm personally not on-board with the "if he lived it would detract from his character/ romance"

My mother had a stroke ten years ago. Seeing her struggle to survive was very emotional.
And seeing her adapt to the handicaps she got due to the stroke was also very emotional.

She went from defining her personalty with her handicap, which naturally, was something the close of kin didn't think (myself included) she should.

We love her irregardless of what physical inhibitions she has.

And ten years later she finally stopped defining herself by her handicaps.
She embraced living again. I can't iterate how happy I was to see that change in her.
The struggles she and those who love her faced was nothing short of an emotional roller-coaster.

There has not been a day in my life that I'm not grateful for whatever cosmic-force et al. that allowed her to live and be with us.

Point is, we carry survival with us just as much as we carry death with us.

And saying that survival isn't as emotional as death, is, from my own perspective, not true at all.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:27 .


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It should also be noted that not everyone romanced Thane for the same reason. I never chose Thane for the "Tragic Romance" trope; not once. Have no problem whatsoever with someone who does. But since this is an RPG, we role play as we see fit, and being a SP game means that how I choose to RP my PC's will not effect someone elses game. (okay, did anybody just read that last sentence in Robin Williams voice from 'Good Morning Vietnam'.........just me?)

Because Thane was a dynamic character outside of his illness, some focused on other aspects of him. And in a game with choices, I still believed two things as me3 was coming out: A player would be able to continue their romance with him, and have the ability (even if difficult) to help Thane extend his life or cure him of Kepral's. From a story stand point, helping Thane with said illness could then have had an effect on the entire Drell race. Hell, I actually thought they might even give him character autonomy based on what you did in ME2 (successful on his LM/romance him, Thane takes the opportunity to extend his life by having the lung transplant done....this could have been accomplished during the 6 months of house arrest our Shepards were forced into.) Even then, his life/death could have had requirements just like Miranda has. See; lots of possible directions they could have gone, but they chose to have his point be nothing more than a death scene.

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Good article about the look of female game character

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karushna5 wrote...

He was dying anyway but he died saving the council and the citadel. It was honoring Thane not the middle finger.


a) On ME2 he had 8 months to 1 year to be ACTIVE and usable on Sheppar's squad, as a full member. 6 months later he can't even be aboard her spaceship as non-combatant. 

B) "he died saving the council and the citadel." but the Citadel's top security officer, in charge of protecting diplomats and who knows Thane is your personal friend never mentions Thane's death or "heroism". Anyone else on the Citadel ? Not a word. Normandy ? Not a word. Salaraians who got their ambassador saved ? Not a word. The Alliance ? Not a word.

You know the only mention of Thane after his death ? "That was for Thane you SOB" at his killer's death. Not a word about his heroism. His death was only emotional fule for Sheppard to be mad at Kai Leng. Not heroic, not "awesome", not honoring. Just a plot device to make you more eager to kill the villain. They could have put a cardboard cutout there and it would fullfill the same mission. Oh wait .. they did.. the Thane you see in ME3 is nothing but a cardboard cutout, a hollow shell of what he was on mE2

Modifié par Renmiri1, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:44 .