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[Vlk3]

Really, reunion with Thane after death does not satisfy me. Firstly: I have some doubts about afterlife, living beyond the sea and so on. Secondly, assuming there is an afterlife, what about Irikah? So I really need that cure for my story. I was never a great fan of religious side of Thane ( I like it but it's not the reason I like him. It just adds more depth and insight into the character and his species for me. What I wanted to say is...I think the memory of Thane in EC for Femshep that romanced him should be more personal... I didn't remember him as the guy who keeps praying all the time.


And I wonder why is there another comic about Liara coming? What the...?

Abot that writer: I'd try to avoid insulting him, it does not help us... but it's hard to say that he's done a great job either. Want to write an asassin? Yay! Too bad he didn't try to research something about character that was already well written by another writer.

Modifié par Vlk3, 15 juillet 2012 - 01:19 .

[Xilizhra]

And I wonder why is there another comic about Liara coming? What the...?

Liara is that tricky sort of character, the LI who also happens to be a major plot fixture. This happened in both Dragon Age games with Alistair and Anders, but since ME is a more consistently casted series with more external media, it's a bit stronger with Liara.

[Vlk3]

Well, I still wonder why on Kahje. And don't get me wrong, I like Liara. I only wish for more content related to other characters as well...

[JECW]

Vlk3 wrote...

Well, I still wonder why on Kahje. And don't get me wrong, I like Liara. I only wish for more content related to other characters as well...

I didn't even know she was getting another comic. Although it shouldnt' surprise me.
Liara is biowares favorite. She is always going to get more than any other character in the game.

Why is she on Kahje?

Modifié par JECW, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:42 .

[Emeraldfern]

Technically all the ME3 squadmates (sans Edi and Javik) got comics in the Homeworlds series.
But true, two comics...then again Aria also got two comics iirc...

My guess on Liara's presence on Kahje?

Searching for Prothean tech/clue to fight Reapers. And perhaps Feron is in the picture too.

Personally I don't mind Liara but, *sigh* I've just always felt that if Kahje was to be revealed it should be about the hanar/drell including Thane. I'd rather also see Kahje ingame than in a comic tbh.

[LanceSolous13]

Hell, The original idea of Kasumi having a mission arc on Kahje would be preferable. I loved Kasumi. Liara bugs me because she does nothing with the title of Shadow Broker.

[karushna5]

I can't believe I am responding again to this thread but I have to say he may have fell flat with Thane as any new writer would, but Edi was marvelous.

When I was in a play once I was glad to play a bad guy. I said that. It was cool. Did that mean the angry woman wasn't more than a bad guy and I didn't realize that? No. It is a harmless statement that people say. Anyone can tell he is more of a dying man than an assassin in ME3 he did the best he could and I think he did a really good job. Not perfect but the best he could.

he knew the character and it is preposterous to think he didn't watch every scene with him in it as he does referance earlier things. he watched every scene discussed it. he fell flat in your opinion I get it, say that but don't start getting personal. I think you guys are above taking a harmless statement and making it a reason to bully the poor man. Or wanting to throw shoes at him.

Modifié par karushna5, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:01 .

[coldwetn0se]

karushna5 wrote...

I can't believe I am responding again to this thread but I have to say he may have fell flat with Thane as any new writer would, but Edi was marvelous.

When I was in a play once I was glad to play a bad guy. I said that. It was cool. Did that mean the angry woman wasn't more than a bad guy and I didn't realize that? No. It is a harmless statement that people say. Anyone can tell he is more of a dying man than an assassin in ME3 he did the best he could and I think he did a really good job. Not perfect but the best he could.

he knew the character and it is preposterous to think he didn't watch every scene with him in it as he does referance earlier things. he watched every scene discussed it. he fell flat in your opinion I get it, say that but don't start getting personal. I think you guys are above taking a harmless statement and making it a reason to bully the poor man. Or wanting to throw shoes at him.

Okay....weird.....was just about to respond to your post, but I think it literally  got editted while I tried to quote you (was going to respond regarding the DA writing...Chris' wife Jennifer, I believe is responsible for those writings).  Too funny how this site works.  *Twilight Zone music plays*

As for your opinions on Thane in me3; it is good that you found his characters treatment to be satisfying.  I actually mean that.  Don't share it, but that doesn't matter.

And just a side note; I know why you are gunshy about this thread, and I understand.  I wish things could have gone differently for everyone involved (including Porcelyn....she's a sweet girl who just dealt with tragedy, and vented....not an excuse, but merely a fact.)  And sorry for the loss of your loved one.  Meant to say that back then, but left the forum for a week (or so), and missed my opportunity.

me3 will never be finished by me in part for the handling of Thane and a few other characters, but also for the beginning (really didn't like how it was handled/setup/or the dialogue), the bugs (which I had a lot of them), the auto-dialogue (broke my immersion....and actually bored me at times), the journal ('nuff said...hehe), and the damn "A" button on my controller......make up your mind Shep...cover, roll, jump over.....ack!  So, I never finished the game.  Been boxed up since March.8.  I still like to throw out ideas of how they could add to it, and perhaps make it playable for someone like me, but alas.....I don't think I fit their target audience.  Ah well.....I'll play ME and ME2 instead (make up my own story on how it ends/goes on), and play DA.

Happy gaming Thanemancers!!

[karushna5]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Okay....weird.....was just about to respond to your post, but I think it literally  got editted while I tried to quote you (was going to respond regarding the DA writing...Chris' wife Jennifer, I believe is responsible for those writings).  Too funny how this site works.  *Twilight Zone music plays*

As for your opinions on Thane in me3; it is good that you found his characters treatment to be satisfying.  I actually mean that.  Don't share it, but that doesn't matter.

And just a side note; I know why you are gunshy about this thread, and I understand.  I wish things could have gone differently for everyone involved (including Porcelyn....she's a sweet girl who just dealt with tragedy, and vented....not an excuse, but merely a fact.)  And sorry for the loss of your loved one.  Meant to say that back then, but left the forum for a week (or so), and missed my opportunity.

Yeah I edited it really quickly. I was worried it was Jennifer Hepler and I have felt sorry for her since day 1. It being her husband bmade me a little embarresed, but I feel it still applies. Chris Hepler did write some ME2 material though so still Mass effect writer, not new.

But wanted to say thank you. No one responded to that and I felt it was the norm. It feels really nice that you remembered and said that. So once again thank you.

[coldwetn0se]

karushna5 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Okay....weird.....was just about to respond to your post, but I think it literally  got editted while I tried to quote you (was going to respond regarding the DA writing...Chris' wife Jennifer, I believe is responsible for those writings).  Too funny how this site works.  *Twilight Zone music plays*

As for your opinions on Thane in me3; it is good that you found his characters treatment to be satisfying.  I actually mean that.  Don't share it, but that doesn't matter.

And just a side note; I know why you are gunshy about this thread, and I understand.  I wish things could have gone differently for everyone involved (including Porcelyn....she's a sweet girl who just dealt with tragedy, and vented....not an excuse, but merely a fact.)  And sorry for the loss of your loved one.  Meant to say that back then, but left the forum for a week (or so), and missed my opportunity.

Yeah I edited it really quickly. I was worried it was Jennifer Hepler and I have felt sorry for her since day 1. It being her husband bmade me a little embarresed, but I feel it still applies. Chris Hepler did write some ME2 material though so still Mass effect writer, not new.

But wanted to say thank you. No one responded to that and I felt it was the norm. It feels really nice that you remembered and said that. So once again thank you.

No thanks necessary, my friend. *internet hug*

As for Jennifer, I am in complete agreement.  What happened to her was atrocious.  I am sure that most BW employees (writers, devs, mail guy/gals, ect...) are decent good people.  I still have my thoughts on the writing of Thane in me3, and that hasn't changed with time.  I have some analyses of his health timeline and of his dialogue in me3, if you are ever interested in reading....and a way they could actually implement an option to keep him alive till the end of the game, that is strictly that; an option.  It even uses in game mechanics so that nothing in the base game is actually altered or retconned.  Hell, if someone wants, they can always have what the vanilla version offers...everytime.  This to me just adds to replayability.  Just like there are those that kill most everyone off during the SM in ME2, on a few play throughs to mix things up, or play ME multiple times to have Wrex live/die and switch up who the VS is.  I love options...can't help it.

Anyway...Happy gaming!

[JECW]

RShara wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

@Blucansam & Renmiri

It sure does, jeezes, a bumpy road ahead I guess...
And...I just read this, the ME panel at SDCC:

http://www.newsarama...ent-future.html

My mind stopped working there for a moment. *Flip Table* Phew, there! Calm again!

.....

*sigh*



Stay classy, Bioware.

I can't believe that I missed this. We finaly know who Thane's ME3 writer is.

He wanted to write an assassin and that's what he came up with. Thane wasn't even an assasin in ME3. What he wrote was someone who's sick sitting in front of a widow all day long.
While I guess he did a better job with EDI I don't know were the comedy was suppose to be.

[LanceSolous13]

For the record, I actually found EDI hilarious in ME3. Deadpan humor amuses me. Though, I suppose my laughter might have been to cover my sobbing...

Anyways, In my fic, Mass Effect: Aftermath, I want to retcon Thane's death to something that is much more befitting the character. And I'd like my fellow drell-lickers to help me do that. Your approval is what I'm looking for.

So, When Shepard meets Thane on the Citadel, Thane is recovering from a lung transplant and states he'll be ready to join Shepard and his crew soon. Shepard, considering Thane one of the best friends, is happy and in a great mood to have him back.

Come the Citadel Coup, which Shepard was going to both pick up Thane and speak with the Salarien Counciler, Everything happens normal till Leng shows up. He shows up, Threatens the Counciler. Then, Thane bursts Leng's sheilds from a room above. Leng, knowing he can't win, tosses a Smoke Pellet and runs.

Shepard orders Garrus to get the Salarien Counciler to safety while Thane, James, and Shepard go after Leng, as per usual. They catch up to Leng's car and Thane shoots out the engine, causing it to crash into one of the buildings that cross the Presedium. They land to finish off Kai Leng.

During the fight, Leng throws a grenade (I debate weather this is in character for Leng or not but his character is so screwed in ME3, I don't think it matters). Shepard pushs James out of the way of the greneade but he ends up hanging from the ledge of the building. Shepard jumps to save Vega and ends up having to slide off the edge and catch James while holding on with the other hand.

As Thane continues fighting Kai Leng, Shepard continues to slip (resulting in Vega now holding onto Shepard's leg rather than hand) and Thane has to either keep fighting Leng or save Shepard and Vega. Thane throws Leng across the room and runs to their aid. As Thane is trying to pull them to safety, Leng stabs Thane, but not before Shepard manages to get a pistol shot off on his shoulder. Leng leaves in a Cerberus controlled car thinking Shepard is doomed.

Thane is barely able to pull Shepard to safety. Shepard, his usually rough exterior, is broken. He orders James to take Thane to a hospital imideatly and Shepard pursues Leng and the Council on his own.

After everything else, Shepard imideatly rushes to Huerta Memorial. Vega is there and he can't even get himself to tell him the bad news. So, talking with the Doctor, Huerta's medical supplies were destroyed by Cerberus during the coup. Going into the hospital room, Shepard finds Thane barely alive and Kolyat with him. Cue normal Prayer scene. Thane dies. Shepard is devestated. He gives Kolyat a credit chit with a lot of credits on it. He wants Kolyat to have it for him to use to protect himself.

After that, Shepard buys himself a Greybox and leaves a message for his friends and crew should he die, insipred by Thane's death.

It fixes quite a few of the issues with Thane's current death such as...

Cutscene Incompetence. (Thane has to choose between fighting Leng or saving Shepard, not running at a melee opponent.)
Shepard and his crew not helping Thane. (They're unable to do so)
Fixes the inconcistencey of there not being enough Drell Blood on the Citadel. (Cerberus destroyed the supplies)
Gives Thane's death impact. (It devestates Shepard a bit and basically catalyses Aftermath)

But, You guys are who I'm aiming to please here, so I'd like your concrit on this.

[coldwetn0se]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
*snip for lovely story outline*

I think if you like this setup, you should just go for it!  In the end, you need to be happy with how your story is told.  It would be hard for me to include that KL fight in any FF I wrote, but that is just where my head is.  This doesn't mean that your version is bad, far from it.  I think it works for your story.  Simply for my taste, I still prefer to pretend that me3 doesn't exist (hehe), and just make up everything from scratch after the SM in ME2.  It could also explain why I have been able to go back to playing ME and ME2......because from my POV, that is where BW's story/game ends for me.  I still love to fantasize about what could have been, or what they could do even now, but I don't have real faith that that will happen.  

So.....I think you know the path you want to follow, and should follow that.  And be sure to link your story once it's finished.  Love new reading material! 

[wildannie]

@LanceSolous13

Your version is vast improvement on how it happens in game and as Thane is not the LI in your fic I think it does the character justice. Obviously I wouldn't want it to turn out that way for a Romanced Thane .

[LanceSolous13]

Very true. At the moment, I'm ok with the situation. Its definatly not the greatest in the world, but I don't want to do some extensive rewrite of the entirity of ME3, despite how much I hate a lot of their choices in the story.

My main goal of this chapter is to appease the Thane fans. This chapter is dedicated to the Drell-lickers and I want you guys to be happy about it.

[Roxy]

@LanceSolous13

Tbh I'm not big on Thane dieing, I don't like stories that have Thane dead/dieing...But with what you have written in your story seems more better and more of a heroic death than what BW gave us...and he's not an LI Thane so...yeah!  

[LanceSolous13]

Yeah, I'm not totally happy about the idea of Thane's death, but I'm not rewriting ME3. You'll still get from Point A to Point B, just in a much easier and logical fasion.

[coldwetn0se]

@Lance - you are too sweet! *pinches Lances cheek* It is very thoughtful of you to dedicate Thanes part to us Drellickers!

I can totally understand you not wanting to rewrite everything...it would be quite an undertaking. I use my imagination for the paths that are forged by Shep and Co., after the SM, but I change up my ideas all the time. Partly for fun...heh! But I hardly have this all written down, so Kudos on you. Look forward to reading it.

[Julia_xo]

@LanceSolous13 I like your story idea, too. At least you plan to include an actual reaction from Shepard, unlike BioWare. Thane should be remembered/mourned.

It makes me so sad to think about his line in ME2: "It seems there will be no one to mourn me when I die."

He was right.

I find it odd that Patrick Weekes said that forgetting about Thane was the drawback of a large writing team since now we know Chris Hepler was responsible for writing the character. Shouldn't it have fallen on him to make sure that didn't happen? It just seems really sloppy and unprofessional.

'lolz we forgot' will never cut it for me.

[coldwetn0se]

@Julia - Nice to see you!

That line always breaks my heart. :'( I mournfully yell at the screen everytime...."I'll mourn you, my sweets!" My husband always gives me a pitiful look, and shakes his head...

Oh, and "forgot" doesn't really cut it for me either. Ah well.....drink?

[mnomaha]

LOL Like I "forgot" to pay for DA3, but I finished it anyways.

[JECW]

I don't think any of us will buy the excuse they forgot. It's just a sad and pathetic excuse for their laziness.

[Vlk3]

JECW wrote...

I don't think any of us will buy the excuse they forgot. It's just a sad and pathetic excuse for their laziness.

No way, it's even more insulting. Today, when I woke up, I raged about that in my thoughts.

I don't believe they forgot, it's impossible. Can you imagine? Guy, who wrote Thane in ME3 forgot that his character was a LI? IT's just unbelievable. Hello, the alien from ME2 posters? "Face" of ME2?  What...why... I cannot comprehend it.

I don't know.. it looks like they decided to destroy the character because of some stupid argue, just to ****** off someone who actually liked Thane. The little role he got, the fact that he was forgotten as a LI, forgotten as a hero.

It's unlogical to remove poster character from game this way, so early and without even his own mission. Something went terribly bad at BioWare. At first, I thought that Thane was cut from ME3 to get his own big role in separate DLC, because there wasn't enough time. But BioWare's employees with their responses on twitter and posts here on BSN convinced me otherwise. They just don't intend to do anything about him.
I also thought Thane is more loved character before I found BSN. Something is just wrong here.

People here are indoctrinated

Edit: I don't understand why he is dead in ME3 by default. First to die on suicide mission in my playthroughs were Jack and Mordin, I never lost Thane, and I didn't even check how to go through suicide mission to save him, it was just obvious. He should be alive in non-import ME3 game.

Modifié par Vlk3, 17 juillet 2012 - 10:25 .

[CroGamer002]

They forgot about Thane during ME3 development?

Character that got 2 trailers, one of them was purely CGI, during ME2 marketing.
One of the most popular characters with quite active fanbase.
Character that had a "Cure Thane" campaign which was supported by Bioware.
Character that is in cover of disk of ME2.
Character that many people started at on BSN along with Miranda as it's background.
Character that had big marketing in interviews and screenshots!
Character's mission was shown in live Demo.

And they forgot about Thane?





I'm sorry, what?!

Modifié par Mesina2, 17 juillet 2012 - 10:29 .

[Thrazesul]

Mesina2 wrote...

They forgot about Thane during ME3 development?

Character that got 2 trailers, one of them was purely CGI, during ME2 marketing.
One of the most popular characters with quite active fanbase.
Character that had a "Cure Thane" campaign which was supported by Bioware.
Character that is in cover of disk of ME2.
Character that many people started at on BSN along with Miranda as it's background.
Character that had big marketing in interviews and screenshots!
Character's mission was shown in live Demo.

And they forgot about Thane?





I'm sorry, what?!

I can't decide whether it's sad, stupid or hilarious.

>.<

What I'd give to be there during Thane's development in ME3. Just to know what the heck happened.