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[lady winde]

I'll leave this here for the night,


by layerx3

He's quite dapper in a tux.

[Maera Imrov]

lyss, LT, Shara. Long time, no see. Crappy circumstances with which to be bumping into you guys again.

I have little to add beyond complete agreement with the OP. All the little hints along the way, the banner, the fact that idk, he was one of the poster boys for ME2, combined made me think we'd get more than what we got in ME3. And the fact that I didn't even get the achievement for meeting up with him again? *shakes her head* The 'oops, dropped the ball' thing, even worse. Pile that in with the endings, and I couldn't even really force myself to go much further than Palaven, and honestly am starting to wish I'd just skipped 3 altogether.

I'm having more fun starting all over on a new server on Rift than this. And that's with no friends left playing the game.

[DarkPhoenixAsh]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Like I said in an earlier post, I am not great with words but I think a part of me wanted to come out with this.

My husband of ten years died from cancer last year and he was a Marine. I connected with Thane because he reminded me in a way of my own husband. Perhaps if anyone wants to hear about my connection with Thane and why I don’t think a “cure” is unrealistic, I will share. I also don’t think wanting to save the man you love is wrong. I sure in the hell wanted to save my husband. In real life, I couldn’t do that. But I was hoping through a game, I could. I would feel like a hero for once.

I wanted myself and other fans of Thane to have the ending that they wanted. However I will share my personal story if it means anything, even if my writing skills lack.

I'm so sorry to hear about your husband, Squeegee.  *hugs*    If you're comfortable, I wouldn't mind if you shared.  I'm sure others wouldn't either.

For the record, personally, I see nothing wrong with wanting to save a person you love.

Edited by DarkPhoenixAsh, 11 March 2012 - 06:19 AM.

[freakmomah]

Hugs hugs hugs to Squeegee... If there's any way that pops up later to save thane, we'll all post it here especially for you.

Bioware, you had a chance to comfort people who have lost a loved one to an illness, even if its just in a game, and you, what, forget or figured it don't fit your grand scheme or whatever? Pft! Boot me off here if you want. Its worth the chance to tell you that.

[freakmomah]

Hugs hugs hugs to Squeegee... If there's any way that pops up later to save thane, we'll all post it here especially for you.

Bioware, you had a chance to comfort people who have lost a loved one to an illness, even if its just in a game, and you, what, forget or figured it don't fit your grand scheme or whatever? Pft! Boot me off here if you want. Its worth the chance to tell you that.

[Lucy Glitter]

freakmomah wrote...

Hugs hugs hugs to Squeegee...

Indeed!!

[Aello89]

I'm so sorry Squeegee *hug*. I completely understand what you mean and I agree.
If I could I would draw a diagram to make some things more clear and easier to comprehend for some people but I’ll try to stay simple about it.

First of all. I have no arguments towards the people who are happy with his conclusion. Who feel satisfied with him dying, who feel that is what should be. I have no right to take this opinion away from you nor try to convince you otherwise. I personally never argued against him dying, provided that would be one of the options. What I’m bothered with is forced death of an full fledged LI from ME2 that many (here's a shocker for you) romanced. Thane is actually the only LI where we players have no power to decide his fate. I wouldn’t have been so bummed about his death if there wasn’t any illusions risen or hints given towards the opposite being possible.
 
Choice no. one : Thane dying has nothing to do with  choice no. two : prolonging his life - no magic cure involved.
And one doesn’t diminish the other because both are possible and feasible because it’s the player who decides what he finds more fitting for that said character. In this case Thane.
 To compare.
First the NON-romanced Thane: In this case all that is in the game makes sense from this perspective. And in such case I cannot argue about anything that was done nor say it was executed poorly. Those who took a friendship path with Thane in ME2 and continued to do so in ME3 have all the reasons to be happy and content with how things worked out.

 
Romanced Thane: Now copy paste all you get in friendship path, add in a couple of lines that imply on romance – all in the frame of scenes that exist in friendship path – and an interrupt. This is the reality of it. We virtually get exactly the same as everyone else with few deviantions. Which end up looking like a failed attempt at recognizing what was the point of Thane romance, Thane's change during the ME2 if romanced  etc.
 
I better not start talking about Thane’s lines contradict the very point of his ME2 romance and his character development (if romanced). It's even worse from Shepards view point.

1.Shepard's attitude towards Thane indicating a romance ( when romanced) : amount equals almost to none. I feel more like Thane was simply a "booty call" for my Shepard than an actual romance.
2. Shepard showing more emotions (when Thane is romanced): No. She is the personification of emotionally disabled person in compare how much emotions are shown towards other characters in case of their optional death. Or when getting badly injured.

It may sound like I’m trying to “insult” people who feel otherwise, but that’s not my intention. I simply wish to present a view on things from our perspective. The next sentence doesn’t imply that we all feel that way, but I’m sure there is a decent amount of people who do.
 
So as my friend said and consequently asked me to post this in her name:I applaud to everyone who saw the essence of Thane in his disease and necessary death and made it clear that this must be the only outcome in order to be satisfied. YOU WON, your NON-ROMANCED THANE  dies and you get to complain about how your ( presumably and if not I'm pretty sure all the vocal disagreeing with the endings will result in something more...compelling) ALIVE LI is not reunited with Shepard at the end of the game.

Edited by Aello89, 11 March 2012 - 09:03 AM.

[rilzik]

I wish I knew about thane, alas I have no save game. Despite paying the same as you, thane, thane who?

[wildannie]

Did nobody at BW stop to think that roleplaying a bereaved Shepard would not be any fun?
Thane is my sheps canon LI and I have saves of all the different classes waiting to be imported. I've spent 100s of hours creating these saves in anticipation of an awesome conclusion... what a waste.
Unless things change I will not be importing them because I don't need that kind of angst in my entertainment.
I have two Kaidan saves, but I don't have any intention of importing them for two reasons.

1 - I invested emotionally in ME and the Thane romance only to have it thrown back in my face. While I expect the Kaidan romance is probably well done in ME3, I have no desire reinvest that emotion back... really. Why would I?

2 - The endings are so poor. The outcry regarding the ending is such that I would not be very surprised if they get changed/added to, but tbh I'll only be buying a fix if it also fixes Thane so I guess my money's safe.

[wildannie]

rilzik wrote...

I wish I knew about thane, alas I have no save game. Despite paying the same as you, thane, thane who?

It's ridiculous that BW didn't give new players a chance to pick which ME2 characters survived the end of ME2, keeping everyone alive is notoriously easy but BW chose to have 3 die as canon (or should that be 'default' BW?).  It's probably because they didn't want new fans to see the awesome characters they chose to shaft to reinforce their mantra that ME3 was the perfect entry point for the series.  Well BW, you were right, I may as well have never played ME1 and 2... good show! 

[DarkPhoenixAsh]

Squeegee83 wrote...



@DarkPhonixAsh and freakmoah

I am so sorry, I am still trying to figure how to quote multiple people in one post. So please forgive me. Thank you for your kind words. *hugs*

I’m an artist on deviantart.com and I have come to learn that some Thane fans have either experience lost in their lives or live with an illness themselves. So I am not the only one.

The writers that wrote Thane should have been aware of this. Bioware even promoted a “Cure for Thane” on facebook and common sense would tell you that they were not only drawing in healthy people but people who may be sick themselves or people who dealt with lost. It was cruel in what they did in ME3.

I suppose maybe I was putting too much into a game, but I loved the game series. I couldn’t help but trust in fact that they would do right by all of us.

I will get working on a post about my personal connection with Thane. Perhaps it will change a few minds… and maybe it won’t. Either way, I was crushed so bad that I couldn’t even finish the game. I hope a few of you understand why.

You are definitely not the only one.  I'm one of those people as well: I've experienced my fair share of loss and I have a boat load of health problems that I'm unfortunately stuck with for the rest of my life.  Those two reasons are major contributors as to why I loved and related to the character.

It bothered me a lot when he was in the hospital for most of his screen time.  Like he stated, when you're sick the last place you want to be is in the hospital and hooked up on machines.  I know this feeling so I didn't understand the shift in attitude.

It is a game but it's hard not to have some feelings, especially when certain storylines remind you of something that may have happpened in your own life.

I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts.

I understand why you couldn't finish it.  *hugs*  I've been watching my roommate play his playthrough.  Someday, maybe I'll finish mine... but not right now.

[DarkPhoenixAsh]

rilzik wrote...

I wish I knew about thane, alas I have no save game. Despite paying the same as you, thane, thane who?

He was a squad member that was also an optional romance for female Shepard in Mass Effect 2.  I hate to give you a link, but the wiki explains his background and character better than I ever could:  http://masseffect.wi...iki/Thane_Krios

Edited by DarkPhoenixAsh, 11 March 2012 - 10:14 AM.

[Aurien]

rilzik wrote...

I wish I knew about thane, alas I have no save game. Despite paying the same as you, thane, thane who?

It really is a shame they cut him out of the default game for ME3, considering he was so hyped for ME2.  His character was so intriguing and rich, it was a nice change to find out more about him.  They really treated him poorly for ME3.  <_<

[stwu]

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Edited by stwu, 11 March 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[Xeranx]

The original writer for Thane was Chris L'Etoile (sp?). He's also the original writer for Ashley and the one who wrote Noveria in Mass Effect.

I never tried out the Thane romance, namely because of the dialogue option "I want you Thane", but I think I'll close my eyes and select it the next time I run through ME2.

[stwu]

Squeegee83 wrote...



@DarkPhonixAsh, freakmoah and Lucy_Glitter

I am so sorry, I am still trying to figure how to quote multiple people in one post. So please forgive me. Thank you for your kind words. *hugs*

I’m an artist on deviantart.com and I have come to learn that some Thane fans have either experience lost in their lives or live with an illness themselves. So I am not the only one.

The writers that wrote Thane should have been aware of this. Bioware even promoted a “Cure for Thane” on facebook and common sense would tell you that they were not only drawing in healthy people but people who may be sick themselves and/or people who dealt with lost. It was cruel in what they did in ME3.

I suppose maybe I was putting too much into a game, but I loved the game series. I couldn’t help but trust in the fact that they would do right by all of us.

I will get working on a post about my personal connection with Thane. Perhaps it will change a few minds… and maybe it won’t. Either way, I was crushed so bad that I couldn’t even finish the game. I hope a few of you understand why.

 
Your absolutely right. I had completely forgotten about the Cure Thane Krios thing on facebook. I loathe facebook but I use Thane's Icon as my pic. They did make us have hope.!!!!

At this point I'm just feel kind of numb to Bioware's BS. First DA2 then the vast majority of ME3 sucks. They didn't even bother to give justice to the ME2 characters. They retconned Kaidain and they royally screwed Jacob's fans. They must have been smokin somethin' when they came up with all these GREAT ideas.

[Aurien]

Xeranx wrote...

The original writer for Thane was Chris L'Etoile (sp?). He's also the original writer for Ashley and the one who wrote Noveria in Mass Effect.

I never tried out the Thane romance, namely because of the dialogue option "I want you Thane", but I think I'll close my eyes and select it the next time I run through ME2.

Haha Yeah that line could be a tad cringe-worthy... if it's any consolation the speaking part that FemShep does in response is better.  


ME3 aside, his romance in 2 was one of the better ones.  <3

[RVallant]

I thought Thane was well done to be honest. I figured he'd accepted his life, accepted his death and moved on. The disease had complications now, he wasn't at his best so there's no point exerting himself.

To throw in another roll of the dice he then kicks ass and gets stabbed. And he's right, Kai Leng pitiful. He got whooped and 'drawn' by a terminally ill drell, one with a shortage of oxygen. Fantastic.

Of course, I never romanced him though, so I sympathise with the romance comments. I get the feeling though that ME2 is counted as a 'bad memory' in terms of squad interactions and storylines that they seriously wishes to sweep most of their characters under the rug and get on with focusing on those they actually worked on.

Hopefully in the future, Bioware won't saddle a game with 12+ characters. They'll keep the numbers managable like 1 and 3 and we'll all reap the benefits through better squad interactions and in theory better romances. Just a thought.

[wildannie]

RVallant wrote...


I thought Thane was well done to be honest. I figured he'd accepted his life, accepted his death and moved on. The disease had complications now, he wasn't at his best so there's no point exerting himself.

To throw in another roll of the dice he then kicks ass and gets stabbed. And he's right, Kai Leng pitiful. He got whooped and 'drawn' by a terminally ill drell, one with a shortage of oxygen. Fantastic.

Of course, I never romanced him though, so I sympathise with the romance comments. I get the feeling though that ME2 is counted as a 'bad memory' in terms of squad interactions and storylines that they seriously wishes to sweep most of their characters under the rug and get on with focusing on those they actually worked on.

Hopefully in the future, Bioware won't saddle a game with 12+ characters. They'll keep the numbers managable like 1 and 3 and we'll all reap the benefits through better squad interactions and in theory better romances. Just a thought.

I hope so too, but I won't be purchasing them, BW have just demoted themselves to the rental account.

[Sarah1281]

Squeegee83 wrote...

I am so sorry, I am still trying to figure how to quote multiple people in one post.

Oh, that's easy. Just manually cope and paste what you want to quote and put them in quote tags (which, to be clear is [ quote ] text [/ quote ] but without the spaces). If you want the 'so-and-so wrote...' you'll need to type that yourself.

wildannie wrote...

It's ridiculous that BW didn't give new players a chance to pick which ME2 characters survived the end of ME2, keeping everyone alive is notoriously easy but BW chose to have 3 die as canon (or should that be 'default' BW?).

Who else is supposed to be dead besides Thane? And in non-import games, what happened to the salarian councillor without Thane around to save him? Does he die? Is Kirrahe around to save him? It would be strange for him to be default live while Thane is default die since even that time that I forgot to updgrade the ship or look up who to send on which mission and half of my party died, Thane was one of the lucky ones and Kirrahe accidentally died my first playthrough.

It does occur to me that if Thane can beat Kai Leng and Kai Leng beats you the first time (even though bringing a ship is totally cheating), that implies that Thane can beat you in a fight...while terminally ill. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I mean, when he's feeling better, whatever, but at death's door? Really? We should have been sending him out against the Reapers!

[Xeranx]

Aurien wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

The original writer for Thane was Chris L'Etoile (sp?). He's also the original writer for Ashley and the one who wrote Noveria in Mass Effect.

I never tried out the Thane romance, namely because of the dialogue option "I want you Thane", but I think I'll close my eyes and select it the next time I run through ME2.

Haha Yeah that line could be a tad cringe-worthy... if it's any consolation the speaking part that FemShep does in response is better.  


ME3 aside, his romance in 2 was one of the better ones.  <3

Honestly, I like Chris' work.  I didn't know he wrote Thane until well after I'd had played through ME2 six times.  That dialogue option just brought up the whole thing with Jacob and I just didn't want a repeat of that. 

[wildannie]

@Sarah1281 I'm not sure if Kirrahe's alive in the default but I heard it said several times that Thane is dead and I think Jack is too, not sure of the other one. I expect it is Kirrahe though as I don't think they'd have another replacement. I think they should have made the default alive/dead thing random.