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[thehomeworld]

The only deaths linked to poor EMS is your final push squad if your ems is dirt poor they get killed. EDI only dies if you pick destroy.

[Sable Rhapsody]

gearseffect wrote...
I like Liara, ME1 Liara. After that she just was never the same. Not a kind natural character transformation either, ME2, took the warm sweet and dorky chick I romanced and turned her into this cold hearted loony chick with whacky moods shifts. ME3 took her and railroaded her down my throat in a very raping my throat sort of way, or raping my @ss sort of way.

It's not Liara's fault she's the writers' favorite, and I think it does her a disservice.  All it does is engender resentment for a character who can stand up just fine on her own without the extra coddling.  IMO disliking a character for his/her character is perfectly fair.  Disliking a character for being the writers' pet is another story.  You can complain about the writers for allocating resources unevenly, but taking it out on Liara herself seems a little misplaced.

thehomeworld wrote...

The only deaths linked to poor EMS is your final push squad if your ems is dirt poor they get killed. EDI only dies if you pick destroy.

 

Isn't EDI's chassis destroyed during a low EMS push regardless of which ending you pick?

[Renmiri1]

New video up with a modded ME3 game: Can always see Thane shadowboxing and give him a kiss while he is alive. No need to reload a save ^^

[Emeraldfern]

^Yaaaaaaay!

Wait...I play on the Xbox...D: /jk

Still, awesome work!

And heh, I followed the link in the vid's description.
I'm seriously getting the urge to mod ME3 after reading the thread.

[Roxy]

That is really nice Renmiri! ^^

I just wish we could save him!

[coldwetn0se]

Renmiri1 wrote...

New video up with a modded ME3 game: Can always see Thane shadowboxing and give him a kiss while he is alive. No need to reload a save ^^

You know, I think it is great that someone was able to make something that worked for them.  But here is where my issue just can't be resolved by such a solution.  The words.  It is the dialogue that you have with Thane in me3 that I can't get past.  The very reason I wrote up a dialogue analysis for Thane's involvement in me3, because the words your Shepard says and the words that Thane say - just. don't. cut it!  No amount of fiddling with his presense or forcing the mechanics to allow multiple makeout sessions will erase the conversations from my mind that occured between my PC and him, and THAT is what needs to be expanded on (besides having an option to extend/save his life).  I harken back to the mere fact that he say, "We knew this would end", and his chuckling to you suggesting that he come back aboard the Normandy when I know perfectly well that he promised "all the time I have left,siha, is yours to take."  And what's up with your son Thane...hmm?  Oh, I'm sorry, you need to tell me AGAIN that you are dying?  Can't be bothered with information like your child I helped you reconnect with?!?  No, no.....I understand.  Foolish me.  I DARED to use an Paragon Interrupt to kiss you, so I'm SOL.  I get it....time being short an all, right??  BAH!  Disgusting.

I really shouldn't post sometimes......

[Roxy]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

New video up with a modded ME3 game: Can always see Thane shadowboxing and give him a kiss while he is alive. No need to reload a save ^^

You know, I think it is great that someone was able to make something that worked for them.  But here is where my issue just can't be resolved by such a solution.  The words.  It is the dialogue that you have with Thane in me3 that I can't get past.  The very reason I wrote up a dialogue analysis for Thane's involvement in me3, because the words your Shepard says and the words that Thane say - just. don't. cut it!  No amount of fiddling with his presense or forcing the mechanics to allow multiple makeout sessions will erase the conversations from my mind that occured between my PC and him, and THAT is what needs to be expanded on (besides having an option to extend/save his life).  I harken back to the mere fact that he say, "We knew this would end", and his chuckling to you suggesting that he come back aboard the Normandy when I know perfectly well that he promised "all the time I have left,siha, is yours to take."  And what's up with your son Thane...hmm?  Oh, I'm sorry, you need to tell me AGAIN that you are dying?  Can't be bothered with information like your child I helped you reconnect with?!?  No, no.....I understand.  Foolish me.  I DARED to use an Paragon Interrupt to kiss you, so I'm SOL.  I get it....time being short an all, right??  BAH!  Disgusting.

I really shouldn't post sometimes......

I agree the conversation between Femshep and Thane is just.....cold and lifeless in ME3...I can't come up with the right words...the whole conversation feels like a punishment and that Shep and Thane just had a one night stand and that's it .....but that's not how it was in ME2 there was a relationship between them and it was a meaningful relationship and they cared for each other! It was Amazing writing and they were thinking about their female gamers and a hint that Thane could get a transplant and live!

In ME3 it's all assbackwards... it's ****ty writing and "Oops we forgot" and "Oh yeah let's kill him off Mwahahaaa"...****s!

Bad language yes I know everybody,sorry..I'm just getting tired of being nice about all this....

Modifié par Roxy, 29 septembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Roxy wrote...
I agree the conversation between Femshep and Thane is just.....cold and lifeless in ME3...I can't come up with the right words...the whole conversation feels like a punishment and that Shep and Thane just had a one night stand and that's it .....but that's not how it was in ME2 there was a relationship between them and it was a meaningful relationship and they cared for each other! It was Amazing writing and they were thinking about their female gamers and a hint that Thane could get a transplant and live!

See, this is the difference between good bad feelings and bad bad feelings.  (I promise I'm not nuts, bear with me here.)

Alistair in DA:O and Anders in DA2 were good bad feelings.  The Dragon Age devs love to make us cry and feed on our tears, but the story is always strong, and the actions are always in-character.  No matter how much I might've screamed at my monitor in DA2, I loved every minute of it.

Thane in ME3 is bad bad feelings.  It's not tragic or meaningful, the writing's just...not really there.  I think even if Thane's death had been unavoidable in ME3, they could've really made something tragic but well-written out of it.  But no.  Instead we get meh.  And "meh" is just about the worst treatment for a character.

[Renmiri1]

Aye Aye, I agree!

BUT...

If the mod tools get better I can insert ME2 voice files in 

Imagine he saying "I think of us often Siha.. Any time I have is yours to take" 

PS: cold, since you did the dialog analisys, which voice files can we combine / mashup to make a good dialog ? I imagine some of the friendshep me3 and some of me2 romance will hit paydirt. Thane tells friendshep to look him up and call him, iirc

Modifié par Renmiri1, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:18 .

[DragonSlayer63]

I hated the ME3 dialogue between Thane and Shepard, too. >.< I wouldn't play it multiple times even if I could. (Actually, I think in my next ME3 playthrough I won't talk to him at all. I rather let him die off screen.) The scene makes me feel like I'm not supposed to love him anymore because he's dying. I'm not allowed to hold his hands, to tell him that I love him... I can only offer him some pity sex, and that's it. I thought one of the main points in Thane's romance in ME2 was that it doesn't matter how much time one has left; he can still keep finding things worth living for, he can still love and be loved, and the love isn't any less meaningful than it would be if he wasn't ill. But no, apparently the love dies as soon as they face any adversity (= the illness gets worse). >.< Thane acts like he doesn't give a crap about dying and leaving his siha alone. Shepard acts like she doesn't really care that he doesn't care. But you know what? I care. I romanced Thane knowing he was dying and I was ready to love him in ME3 even if he was still dying. I expected to have more of that beautiful, if bittersweet romance content with him. But no... seems like if I was stupid enough to import his romance to ME3, I'm supposed to abandon him ASAP. That's the feeling I got, anyway.

[coldwetn0se]

@Ren - Take a look at my DA page. I think I have the analysis up, and it has all of the dialogue exchange between Shep and Thane at Huerta. I'm coldwetn0se there as well.

And if you don't have the following LINK, this has sound files you could play with, all easily put together.

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:48 .

[giftfish]

Been out of here for a few days, but just wanted to let everyone knwo that today's Character Spotlight on Romance DLC blog is written by Coldi about our favorite green assassin

[coldwetn0se]

giftfish wrote...

Been out of here for a few days, but just wanted to let everyone knwo that today's Character Spotlight on Romance DLC blog is written by Coldi about our favorite green assassin

Good to see ya @gift!  Now go pack.. hehe! 

[mnomaha]

DragonSlayer63 wrote...

I hated the ME3 dialogue between Thane and Shepard, too. >.< I wouldn't play it multiple times even if I could. (Actually, I think in my next ME3 playthrough I won't talk to him at all. I rather let him die off screen.) The scene makes me feel like I'm not supposed to love him anymore because he's dying. I'm not allowed to hold his hands, to tell him that I love him... I can only offer him some pity sex, and that's it. I thought one of the main points in Thane's romance in ME2 was that it doesn't matter how much time one has left; he can still keep finding things worth living for, he can still love and be loved, and the love isn't any less meaningful than it would be if he wasn't ill. But no, apparently the love dies as soon as they face any adversity (= the illness gets worse). >.< Thane acts like he doesn't give a crap about dying and leaving his siha alone. Shepard acts like she doesn't really care that he doesn't care. But you know what? I care. I romanced Thane knowing he was dying and I was ready to love him in ME3 even if he was still dying. I expected to have more of that beautiful, if bittersweet romance content with him. But no... seems like if I was stupid enough to import his romance to ME3, I'm supposed to abandon him ASAP. That's the feeling I got, anyway.

Well said. Basically, we are punished because we didn't choose bioware's canon romance, or romances if you think it applies. I really only see one blue canon romance myself.

Honestly and I don't care if I get banned...I would hate to know these people in RL. If this is the best they can do in a game, I cannot image the cold heartless people they are in RL. God forbid someone close to them be in this situation because the only thing they could expect is a closed door. Sad, very sad.

[coldwetn0se]

Awww mnomaha! If you get booted though, we lose our "dirty-birdy". Buts...I feels ya, bebe!

@Everyone - check out the Cosmic Love blog. We reached 25k hits, and posted a really cool LI video (Thane is one of the first ones up, and he is Oh So Dreamy! *big grin*)
If you need a link, just look at a few posts up from this. Enjoy!

[coldwetn0se]

This page needs to love. I will go get a Thane....maybe a Thane and Ulee (Thane needs someone to cuddle).

BRB!

**EDIT** for screenie!

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 02 octobre 2012 - 05:24 .

[mnomaha]

Well, guess I didn't get booted. I think that requires actual mod presence though.

Awww Thane and Ulee...what did they do to Malificent? Yes, that's probably spelt wrong but it's early here.

[coldwetn0se]

*giggle/snort* PDS cracked Malifecent upside the head with one of her many empty bottles of booze. Poor Mal.....bah! Actually poor PDS! When Malifecent wakes up, she's gonna kick Ulee's @ss!

[Sable Rhapsody]

coldwetn0se wrote...
Awww mnomaha! If you get booted though, we lose our "dirty-birdy". Buts...I feels ya, bebe!!

Still, we shouldn't push our luck if a mod does wander in here.  And there are plenty of folks who read threads without posting.  There are negative stereotypes of Thane supporters post-ME3 floating around out there, and we don't need to give them ammunition.

[JECW]

How has this thread gone two days on the second page.

DragonSlayer63 wrote...

I hated the ME3 dialogue between Thane and Shepard, too. >.< I wouldn't play it multiple times even if I could. (Actually, I think in my next ME3 playthrough I won't talk to him at all. I rather let him die off screen.) The scene makes me feel like I'm not supposed to love him anymore because he's dying. I'm not allowed to hold his hands, to tell him that I love him... I can only offer him some pity sex, and that's it. I thought one of the main points in Thane's romance in ME2 was that it doesn't matter how much time one has left; he can still keep finding things worth living for, he can still love and be loved, and the love isn't any less meaningful than it would be if he wasn't ill. But no, apparently the love dies as soon as they face any adversity (= the illness gets worse). >.< Thane acts like he doesn't give a crap about dying and leaving his siha alone. Shepard acts like she doesn't really care that he doesn't care. But you know what? I care. I romanced Thane knowing he was dying and I was ready to love him in ME3 even if he was still dying. I expected to have more of that beautiful, if bittersweet romance content with him. But no... seems like if I was stupid enough to import his romance to ME3, I'm supposed to abandon him ASAP. That's the feeling I got, anyway.

This is pretty much how I felt when playing ME3. I've only been able to actually play it twice. I find that I've lost all interest in the game.

[gearseffect]

Holy cow this thread died shortly after I gave up here for good. o.O 

[john-in-france]

Go to Nexus mods and download ThaneMod and the latest version of MEHEM for a happier Thane romance ending.

[paramitch]

I know it's years later after the original posts and conversations, but -- I have found my people! I just finished ME2 a week or so back, then got halfway through ME3 and have been really unhappy with the Thane LI storyline lack of resolution.

 

Kudos to Julia_xo and so many others -- your posts said everything I wanted to say. I was really unhappy and needed to vent, so it's great to read the reactions and eloquent discussion here on Thane and how his romance with Shepard is treated in ME3. I loved building their relationship in ME2, and was really unexpectedly moved and intrigued by Thane as a character.

 

I'm currently about halfway through ME3, and have been so disappointed with where they took the character evolutions and how this game handles character choices.

 

Thane was my female Shep's LI in ME2 (she had no LI in ME1), and I absolutely loved the character, storyline and relationship. Then in ME3, there were several moments I felt were really jarring. ME3 never seems to really remember or acknowledge my Shep's relationship with Thane, and several major story moments are forced on you without a choice -- like, the game REALLY seemed to want my Shep to be all over Kaidan at the hospital (to an almost laughable degree) when I was all, "Where's THANE?" 

 

And then the whole sequence with Kai's attack where Shep isn't given even a moment of reflection or even to stop and comfort Thane when he's pretty obviously near death. Instead, she's all, "GOTTA GO!" and doesn't even get to look upset or conflicted about it. (And then, ONCE AGAIN, more stupid dialogue is spent on KAIDAN and his silly confused manpain than on, you know, THANE, who basically killed himself to save them...)

 

I did find Thane's death to be really moving, but the scene was so weirdly blocked. Shep doesn't touch him or hold his hand -- they could have given us the option for one touch, one tear, or one line of dialogue there, darn it. Thane's final letter to her, however, was beautifully written and basically gave the character closure I was looking for. I found it really moving -- until I found out it was copied/pasted from LotSB. Sniffle.

 

But I just find the integration of the ME2 LI really awkward in ME3. Earth is burning and Shep goes to visit this guy she loves who's dying, but at the very same time, all the doctors and other characters are chirping and nudging about what a good handsome guy Kaidan turned out to be -- it just didn't work for me storywise at all. And emotionally, Shepard is never given any opportunity at all to mention Thane, even to her shipmates, and it just seems like such an easy fix, that when she leaves the hospital each time, that she be able to at least mention to Garrus that she saw Thane, or that Thane is at peace, etc.

 

What I liked about ME2 was that I never felt like the game was pushing a specific relationship or angle -- all options were open. But ME3 is constantly pushing Liara and Kaidan at my character and I just really dislike that -- for me, in my particular storyline, my character has one LI, and that's it. 

 

Especially since I've never liked Kaidan (and was thrilled to send him away recently and would have cheerfully shot him in ME3) -- he's always been written to be this petulant whiner who's constantly making puppy-dog eyes at Shep while questioning all her choices. In ME3 he's acted the entire time like an ex-boyfriend she betrayed when my character never had any relationships with him at all in ME1 or ME2 and avoided him like the plague.

 

ME2 was one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had -- immersive, complex, rich and imaginative. Thus far, I'm disappointed in ME3 because so, so many times, it feels like a bunch of cutscenes strung together with battles. I don't feel the richness of the character relationships and the dialogue choices are incredibly simplified and clumsy this time around.

 

I'm hoping I'm happier with it by the end of ME3. It's weird -- I'm not mad that Thane died (although I adore him and think he's an incredibly fascinating character), I'm just angry at how the whole Thane LI is barely fit into ME3 at all and how that storyline and relationship seems to be completely dropped and unaddressed by Shep, her squadmates, Thane's friends, etc. It just feels like a waste of a good story.

 

DarkPhoenixAsh: Crew members not checking up on Shepard or commenting about his death was the icing on the cake.  I won’t even get into how I felt after my crew members started hitting on my Shepard shortly after his death.

 

 

THIS! I really hated the total lack of awareness in the other characters of Thane as Shep's LI in ME3. It was so weird. I mean, she would visit him in the hospital and the damn doctors are going, "Are you here to see Kaidan? Are you worried about Kaidan?" and I was rolling my eyes and wanting Kaidan to drop dead. I wasn't even given a choice after buying the damn champagne and was forced to give it to Kaidan. (The game's constant attempts to strongarm my Shep into a relationship with Kaidan really bothered me.)

 

Aurien: So for some closure My Shep held her own little funeral in Life Support, the place where they had their many talks and found their feelings for each other.  She said a few prayers for him to Arashu and Kalahira and promised again to meet him across the sea.  Something that could have been expressed in the game itself I think at least, was kinda disappointing I had to do it myself for my character

 

 

This was such a wonderful idea -- I did the same thing. I kept having my Shep just wander into Life Support simply because she missed him.

 

Julia_xo: When he says "I think of us often, Siha, but we always knew it would come to an end. Live well in the time you have. Perhaps we will see each other again" my heart was broken.

 

 

I felt the same way -- I was sitting there going, "Wow, Shep just got dumped by her dying lover."

 

Guest_Squeegee83_*, sympathies on the loss of your husband. Beautiful post about how Thane reminded you of his struggle.

 

Cosmochyck: BIG issues with this - there were so many convos that we had no control/choice over!  Like telling Thane I was there to see the VS!  Hell no! 

 

 

THIS DROVE ME NUTS.

 

Meanwhile, you guys have probably all seen this, but I'm very tempted to install the ThaneMOD at some point: http://www.girlplays...to-life-in-me3/

 

 

Last but not least, the link to the extended dialogue someone mentioned (I think the original script for (Romanced) Thane's death scene?) doesn't work. Can someone post the dialogue? I'd be interested to see it.

 

Cheers and thanks for the opportunity to vent... I was very disappointed in BW's sloppy handling of Thane and it was great to find others just as saddened by the way it was handled in ME3.

 

[Abalone]

I just started to play ME 1-3 a couple of weeks ago and did not romance Thane 'til date - but he always grows so deep in my heart that I have to cry over his death and at the last goodbye in the apartment (with those video-messages that never reached Shep ) every time (play my third Shep currently) - like yesterday evening again .
Hm, I was thinking about dating Thane with my next FemShep, but what I read in here makes me unsure, sounds like in ME 3 it's the same process as if you've never dated him? Wow. Well, seems that I finally have to take a closer look at mods/modding - didn't feel like doing it so far as it sounds so complicated and I have to figure out if especially the ThaneMod and MEHEM are compatible with the german version of the game - I hope so

 

Oh, and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who returns often to the Life Support where Thane used to talk to Shep I always would like to place something of him there, like a photograph ... (speaking of it - in the Citadel-DLC we say goodbye to him in our apartment, and there is a photo on the piano - why the hell couldn't Bioware leave it there? I was sad to see it's gone after this sequence ...).

 

Sorry if all this has been said over and over again - for me it's a fresh experience