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[Kaija]

If the story in the game ruins replayability, there is a problem with the story. They may have thought that having no choices in the deaths of certain characters was dramatic or whatever it was they were thinking but in reality some people are going to have a hard time picking up any Mass Effect related game again (MMOs included).
Dragon Age:Origins had various endings involving possible deaths and that was our choice.

[Aeyl]

Honestly, I hate what happened to Thane more than I hate what they may have done to the ending (I still think the indoctrination theory is right, but I'm not sure if they intend to follow up with it in any way. But that is for a different forum)

Its keeping me from replaying SP.

But other than that, I just got back from class and have a nice weekend ahead of me...So I'll update you guys if I come up with any Thane designs

[JECW]

I have one more playthrough for ME2, and I just don't want to do it becasue I know how it is all going to turn out.
Why do it when you know most of these decisions don't seem to make a difference.

Modifié par JECW, 16 mars 2012 - 07:37 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

JECW wrote...

I have one more playthrough for ME2, and I just don't want to do it becasue I know how it is all going to turn out.
Why do it when you know most of these decisions don't seem to make a difference.

Personally, I loved the rest of Mass Effect so much that I refuse to let the problems in ME3 wreck it for me.  It feels like giving in to that stupid Star Child.  I'm replaying ME1 right now with my canon Shepard, knowing she's going to die, knowing that it won't be a happy ending, but it's still such a powerful story up until that point that I don't care.

[JECW]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

JECW wrote...

I have one more playthrough for ME2, and I just don't want to do it becasue I know how it is all going to turn out.
Why do it when you know most of these decisions don't seem to make a difference.

Personally, I loved the rest of Mass Effect so much that I refuse to let the problems in ME3 wreck it for me.  It feels like giving in to that stupid Star Child.  I'm replaying ME1 right now with my canon Shepard, knowing she's going to die, knowing that it won't be a happy ending, but it's still such a powerful story up until that point that I don't care.

I never said I wasn't going to play it. It's my one loyal playthrough. I just probably won't work as hard on it with some of the decisions. I can not play ME1 again, but that has nothing to do with ME3. I just find ME1 boring. I played it so much that I can't do it anymore. That always happens to me. Once I've played a game so much and get tired of it I never go back.

[Sable Rhapsody]

JECW wrote...

I never said I wasn't going to play it. It's my one loyal playthrough. I just probably won't work as hard on it with some of the decisions. I can not play ME1 again, but that has nothing to do with ME3. I just find ME1 boring. I played it so much that I can't do it anymore. That always happens to me. Once I've played a game so much and get tired of it I never go back.

That's true, I'm replaying ME1 and bemoaning the mechanics.  And my lack of a heavy melee.  And the fact that rockets are a one-hit kill<_<

[Cosmochyck]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

JECW wrote...

I never said I wasn't going to play it. It's my one loyal playthrough. I just probably won't work as hard on it with some of the decisions. I can not play ME1 again, but that has nothing to do with ME3. I just find ME1 boring. I played it so much that I can't do it anymore. That always happens to me. Once I've played a game so much and get tired of it I never go back.

That's true, I'm replaying ME1 and bemoaning the mechanics.  And my lack of a heavy melee.  And the fact that rockets are a one-hit kill<_<

AND THE MAKO.  The reason that I thought ME2 would suck.  I HATED the mako.  And Ashley (but I got to kill her so hey, not all bad I guess )

[coldwetn0se]

I admit, I never really had a problem with the idea that my Shepards die at the end of the Trilogy. What I always needed though to get through the storyline, was for me to CARE about the characters in this world they made. THEY would be who I fought for, and the galaxy would reap the benefit.

Well, they succeeded.....until ME3. They assassinated characters, ignored romances or just gave us smoke bombs when we were expecting fireworks. My Sheps acted contrary to how I RP'ed them in the first two games, so now, I ask, why would I go on with this storyline? They killed my motivation. It just makes me sad.

BTW, I too hated the MAKO, but that was partly my fault. I am terrible at driving sims, and couldn't get the damn guns to aim for ****! HA! Damn you, Thresher Maws!

[JECW]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

JECW wrote...

I never said I wasn't going to play it. It's my one loyal playthrough. I just probably won't work as hard on it with some of the decisions. I can not play ME1 again, but that has nothing to do with ME3. I just find ME1 boring. I played it so much that I can't do it anymore. That always happens to me. Once I've played a game so much and get tired of it I never go back.

That's true, I'm replaying ME1 and bemoaning the mechanics.  And my lack of a heavy melee.  And the fact that rockets are a one-hit kill<_<

AND THE MAKO.  The reason that I thought ME2 would suck.  I HATED the mako.  And Ashley (but I got to kill her so hey, not all bad I guess )

The Mako was bad, but I really hated the hammerhead. They just went form bad to worse with that one.

[Sable Rhapsody]

JECW wrote...

The Mako was bad, but I really hated the hammerhead. They just went form bad to worse with that one.

I love when James and Steve are arguing over the two.  If I must pick the lesser of two evils, I'll take the one that lets me drive up cliffs.

[Aeyl]

http://aeylis.devian...Quick-290663678

Well, here is something I quickly puked out. If anyone is interested.

[Hisilome]

Aeyl wrote...

http://aeylis.devian...Quick-290663678

Well, here is something I quickly puked out. If anyone is interested.

Awesome work there!!:)

As for the Mako/ Hammerhead/ground vehicles in general...I've accepted my Shepard is a terrible, terrible driver there-I fully believe  there were nasty jokes about her Mako-driving skills every time the squad travelled in it; well, jokes mixed with complaints, rather! Not everyone likes to be rocked all over the place or get dipped in random puddles of lava!*coughs*

Modifié par Hisilome, 16 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[utaker1988]

Hisilome wrote...

Aeyl wrote...

http://aeylis.devian...Quick-290663678

Well, here is something I quickly puked out. If anyone is interested.

Awesome work there!!:)

As for the Mako/ Hammerhead/ground vehicles in general...I've accepted my Shepard is a terrible, terrible driver there-I fully believe  there were nasty jokes about her Mako-driving skills every time the squad travelled in it; well, jokes mixed with complaints, rather! Not everyone likes to be rocked all over the place or get dipped in random puddles of lava!*coughs*

I agree, fantastic job!!!  

And on to Shepard's driving...OMG...I feared everytime they put me in a vehicle to drive.  I honestly felt bad for Thane because I brought him everywhere.  I remember laughing until I was in tears during LotSB, "Yeah Thane, do you lovers her now?  If the disease doesn't do you in, her driving certainly will."  Crasssssshhhhhh...oops.  Prox bombs...BANG!!!  I pictured him in the back seat with his head between his legs kissing his ass goodbye.  Then the Hammerhead, yep he got tortured with that too.  Awwww....good times.  My Shep wouldn't trade those moments for anything.  I left Garrus on the ship, I figured he had enough abuse in the Mako because he was the one I brought with me everywhere in ME.  Wrex didn't join me in ME3 because of his duties, he feared I'd take him out driving again.  

[Hisilome]

utaker1988 wrote...

I agree, fantastic job!!!  

And on to Shepard's driving...OMG...I feared everytime they put me in a vehicle to drive.  I honestly felt bad for Thane because I brought him everywhere.  I remember laughing until I was in tears during LotSB, "Yeah Thane, do you lovers her now?  If the disease doesn't do you in, her driving certainly will."  Crasssssshhhhhh...oops.  Prox bombs...BANG!!!  I pictured him in the back seat with his head between his legs kissing his ass goodbye.  Then the Hammerhead, yep he got tortured with that too.  Awwww....good times.  My Shep wouldn't trade those moments for anything.  I left Garrus on the ship, I figured he had enough abuse in the Mako because he was the one I brought with me everywhere in ME.  Wrex didn't join me in ME3 because of his duties, he feared I'd take him out driving again.  

LOL You make a valid point, I have to say; heavily armed people, some carrying explosives,in a ground vehicle whose driver is...erh...yeah, I'd rather not use an adjective here,lol! To Shepard's defense, though, those ground vehicles were not exactly light on their tyres; totally not her fault they handled so heavily!

I always thought of Thane sighing in the ground vehicle and going something like "You have a lot of talents, siha; driving is clearly not one of  them".

And I have to admit, when I mentioned complaints above, it was Garrus I had in mind!

[Cosmochyck]

Hisilome wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

I agree, fantastic job!!!  

And on to Shepard's driving...OMG...I feared everytime they put me in a vehicle to drive.  I honestly felt bad for Thane because I brought him everywhere.  I remember laughing until I was in tears during LotSB, "Yeah Thane, do you lovers her now?  If the disease doesn't do you in, her driving certainly will."  Crasssssshhhhhh...oops.  Prox bombs...BANG!!!  I pictured him in the back seat with his head between his legs kissing his ass goodbye.  Then the Hammerhead, yep he got tortured with that too.  Awwww....good times.  My Shep wouldn't trade those moments for anything.  I left Garrus on the ship, I figured he had enough abuse in the Mako because he was the one I brought with me everywhere in ME.  Wrex didn't join me in ME3 because of his duties, he feared I'd take him out driving again.  

LOL You make a valid point, I have to say; heavily armed people, some carrying explosives,in a ground vehicle whose driver is...erh...yeah, I'd rather not use an adjective here,lol! To Shepard's defense, though, those ground vehicles were not exactly light on their tyres; totally not her fault they handled so heavily!

I always thought of Thane sighing in the ground vehicle and going something like "You have a lot of talents, siha; driving is clearly not one of  them".

And I have to admit, when I mentioned complaints above, it was Garrus I had in mind!

Oh if only that line had been in it!!  I can totally hear that from Thane.  
Gee, maybe you should have written his part in ME3 - wait - maybe you could have WRITTEN A PART for him in ME3.  <_<

@Aeyl - Um, if I had puked something out ( your words, not mine) it would look like, well, puke.  AWESOME job!

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 16 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[Hisilome]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Hisilome wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

I agree, fantastic job!!!  

And on to Shepard's driving...OMG...I feared everytime they put me in a vehicle to drive.  I honestly felt bad for Thane because I brought him everywhere.  I remember laughing until I was in tears during LotSB, "Yeah Thane, do you lovers her now?  If the disease doesn't do you in, her driving certainly will."  Crasssssshhhhhh...oops.  Prox bombs...BANG!!!  I pictured him in the back seat with his head between his legs kissing his ass goodbye.  Then the Hammerhead, yep he got tortured with that too.  Awwww....good times.  My Shep wouldn't trade those moments for anything.  I left Garrus on the ship, I figured he had enough abuse in the Mako because he was the one I brought with me everywhere in ME.  Wrex didn't join me in ME3 because of his duties, he feared I'd take him out driving again.  

LOL You make a valid point, I have to say; heavily armed people, some carrying explosives,in a ground vehicle whose driver is...erh...yeah, I'd rather not use an adjective here,lol! To Shepard's defense, though, those ground vehicles were not exactly light on their tyres; totally not her fault they handled so heavily!

I always thought of Thane sighing in the ground vehicle and going something like "You have a lot of talents, siha; driving is clearly not one of  them".

And I have to admit, when I mentioned complaints above, it was Garrus I had in mind!

Oh if only that line had been in it!!  I can totally hear that from Thane.  
Gee, maybe you should have written his part in ME3 - wait - maybe you could have WRITTEN A PART for him in ME3.  <_<

Hehe, I could hear him say that too, in that deep voice of his!*swoons*

And I get the feeling any one of us could have written a decent part for him in ME3-though, yep, would have loved to be me, lol, I have to say!

' Didn't click' with them that Thane was a LI...really????I was so ticked off when I read that in here!:/ Still am, actually!

[Cosmochyck]

Sorry for posting again, but I just saw on Bioware's FB page that they got restocks of t-shirts and their art stuff - and what is there?  A limited edition "Art of Mass Effect" book - and who is on the cover?  Guesses?  Anyone??

Yep, Mr. Krios in all his ME2 glory!! 

Forgot him my eye. 

PS - Jacob and Samara are pictured too

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 16 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Little Vixen]

How we could fix the storyline for Thane:
 
I have mainly written this for a love interest Shepard, but it could also be adapted for a friend Shepard. I wrote this as therapy for me, because I have been greatly pained at the treatment of Thane. I am sharing it with you in hopes that it will help my fellow Thanemancers and friends of Thane. I cannot hope to write the part as beautifully as Thane was done in Mass Effect 2, but I this is my humble try.
 
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Leave Kai Leng/Thane fight as is.
 
 
Leave Death scene as is, although, it if is possible to fix, have Shepard at least act like she is sad about Thane’s passing. LI Shepard should also get the chance to say she loves Thane.
 
Return to Normandy. Garrus or Liara or someone tries to comfort Shepard.
 
** *
 
New solution:
 
Shepard returns to Normandy. Goes to her cabin for a good cry and to reflect on Thane’s death. She finds a letter waiting for her from Feron. It simply says, “Shepard, meet me on the Citadel. Please hurry. It is important.”
 
***
 
Shepard goes to the Citadel and meets Feron.
 
Feron: “I have a message from Thane.”
 
Shepard: (distressed) “Just Stop!” (Slight pause – softly…) “Thane’s dead.”
 
Feron: “I still have a message from him and I …”
 
Shepard:(Shepard interupts with tears in her eyes) “What?!”
(Shepard looks away) “I don’t know that I can do this right now. Is it important? I suppose it is if Thane contacted you.”
(snippy tone) “What major emergency do I have to solve now when I can’t even think straight. I have lost two of my best friends in as many days.”
(regretfully) “Sorry, Feron, you didn’t deserve that.”
(Shepard looks apologetically at Feron.)
 
Feron: (looks at Shepard with feeling and states flatly)  “No, he is not.”
 
Shepard: (confused) “No, who….? What are you talking about, Feron?”
 
Thane steps from the Shadows slowly. His steps are unsure and obviously pained.
 
LI Shepard is shocked and bewildered but leaps into Thane’s arms and showers him with kisses. (Friend Shepard looks at Thane in amazement and smiles.)
 
Feron: “I will leave you two alone and go check on Liara. It has been too long since I have seen her anyway.” (Feron turns around and leaves.)
 
Thane: “Siha, (pause)…I see my presence in not unwelcome.” (Thane smiles at LI Shepard.)
 
Shepard: Am I dreaming? You’re dead. I was there, I saw you die.
 
Thane: (Deep Chuckle) “Siha, do you know how much irony is dripping from your lips at this moment? Shepard, you of all people should understand that the first death is not always the final chapter.”
 
Shepard: (weeping)“You came back to me?”
 
Thane: (With feeling) “Of course, Siha. You need me now.”
 
Shepard: (Confused) “But, I don’t understand how? How is this not a dream?”
 
Thane: (reasurring) “Let me try to explain as best I can for I do not understand it clearly myself. I told you in the hospital I was not as I was. I needed constant medical treatment, which is why I could not come with you. (pause) That was true. (deep breath) I told you long ago that the Hanar had been working on adapting the Drell so that we would not succumb to Kepral’s Syndrome. The Hanar were further along than I had thought in their search for a cure. They had already started clinical trials. After you awoke me from my battle sleep, I told you that you had given me a reason to want to live. Using my contacts, I found out about the Hanar’s clinical trials. I was a perfect candidate because my disease was advanced enough that I didn’t qualify for any other treatment.”
 
Shepard: (slightly hurt) “Why didn’t you tell me?”
 
Thane: (pained) “Because, Siha, you have had enough in your life torn from your grasp. I did not want to give you a false hope. At the time you visited me in the hospital, the trial was not going well. I wasn’t responding to the treatment. I could not burden you with this truth. You have already lost so much and you need to be strong for the fight ahead. My first concern was for you. It is always for you.”
 
Shepard: “What changed? How can you be here now?”
 
Thane: “When that assassin stabbed me, I received a blood transfusion from my son Kolyat. While my cells were too weak to respond to the Hanar’s adaptive genetic code, Kolyat’s were not. I did die, Siha, for a time, but with the help of Kolyat’s blood and your love, my body started to respond to the treatment. I was sent back to you. I am weak, but I am whole again.”
 
Shepard: “Sent back to me? Thane, I don’t understand.”
 
Thane: “I will explain it further another time. For now, isn’t it enough that I have returned to you?”
 
Shepard: “Yes, of course.” (crying) “But, why didn’t anyone tell me? Why didn’t you notify me you were alive?
 
Thane: “Siha, the last thing in the world I would want to do is hurt you. But, like you, I wasn’t aware. I was dead for a time. Please, you of all people should understand this. Is this not the same reaction Kaidan/Ashley gave you on Horizon?” (Thane takes Shepard’s hands and draws her close, kissing her softly.)
 
Shepard:(teasing) “Oh, it really is you.” (hopeful) “Can you come with me now?”
 
Thane: “Yes, Siha, I will never leave you alone again. Come, Shepard. Our light will continue in spite of the growing darkness.”
 
Shepard Embrace and Kiss (Thane becomes a party member with a +10% automatic shield bonus when he is in the party. Bonus called “Thane’s Protection.” Possible Thane powers, Throw, Pull and Warp.)
 
***
Adjustment to Scene on Thessia (Asari home world at the temple) and 2nd run in with Kai Leng.
 
-         If Thane is in the party, he charges after Kai Leng, and Kai Leng runs off at the end of the battle.
-         Thane: (angry) “I will not be such an easy mark this time.”
-          
-         If Thane is not in the party, he sends a message to Shepard, “He was there. I knew I should have accompanied you, Siha. Are you alright?”
-          
** *
 
Date Scene – Shepard and Thane finally get to visit that desert. (Even if it is a virtual desert on the Citadel.)
 
** *
Side Mission with Thane – Travel to Kahje help the Hanar to save the cure for the rest of the Drell. We now know it works and the Reapers do not want the Drell forces strengthened. A successful mission means that all Drell can now be cured of Kepral’s Syndrome and a war assest is gained.
 
** *
 
Love scene with Thane before big battle. Pillow talk afterwards.
 
 
Shepard: (loving looks at Thane) “Why did you say you were sent back to me?”
 
Thane: “Because I was across the sea. It is beautiful there, Shepard….(pause)
 
Shepard: (laughs and kisses Thane) “I don’t remember any thing from when I was dead.”
 
Thane: (with a knowing smile) “You will. When it is time. And, I will be there to guide you.” (Pause…with difficulty) “I saw Irikah while I was there.”
 
 
Shepard: (eyes wide looking at Thane) “Irikah?”
 
Thane: (comforting) “Siha, don’t be alarmed. I told you once that you were the second warrior angel I have had the privilege to know in my lifetime. My wife, Irikah was the first. “
 
Shepard: (slightly hurt) “You still miss her.”
 
Thane: (comforting) “Of course, I do. But, Shepard, while I was across the sea she gave me two gifts.”
 
Shepard: “I don’t understand.”
 
Thane: “Her first gift was her forgiveness to me.”
 
Shepard: (smiles) “And, her second gift?”
 
Thane: “It was for you, Siha. She gave her strength to you.”
 
Shepard: “I don’t know what to say. She must be a remarkable woman.”
 
Thane: “Siha, I have a weakness for remarkable women. It was her gift and her blessing. Now use it to help yourself stay strong in the face of total destruction.”
 
Shepard: “Are you okay?”
 
Thane: “Yes. She sent me back to you. You need my help and my love. I am your shield and my love for you is your protection. Use me. I will protect you with all that I am. I am here for you, Siha. Let me help you in anyway that I can.”
 
(Thane and Shepard embrace and kiss.)
 
** *
 
Adjustment to the last battle with Kai Leng.
 
If Thane is in the party – Thane delivers Kai Leng’s death blow.
 
If Thane is not in the party – Thane drops out of the ceiling and delivers the death blow.
 
Thane then starts praying over Kai Leng’s dead body.
 
Shepard: (snarky) “Seriously? You think this guy deserves a prayer? Killing him was a service to this galaxy. I don’t think anyone would expect you to ask for forgiveness for taking his life.”
 
Thane: “I am praying in thanks to him, Siha. If it hadn’t been for him fatally wounding me, and my subsequent need for a blood transfusion, I wouldn’t have been able to return to you. So, yes, he deserves a prayer. (Tenderly takes Shepard’s face and kisses her.)
 
** *
End Scene with the goodbyes:
 
Shepard: “Thane, I don’t think I can bear to lose you again. I love you too much.”
 
Thane: “Siha, whatever happens, know that I also love you. My love is your shield. And, should the worst come to pass, I will be waiting for you across the sea. Nothing will keep me from you. Not even death. (pause and a small laugh) Your death or mine.
 
(Passionate kiss)
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Thank you for reading through all this. It is my hope that it help sooth your hearts. It has helped me with mine. Thane is a worthy character to love and he deserved more in Mass Effect 3.

[Cosmochyck]

Little Vixen wrote...

How we could fix the storyline for Thane:
 
I have mainly written this for a love interest Shepard, but it could also be adapted for a friend Shepard. I wrote this as therapy for me, because I have been greatly pained at the treatment of Thane. I am sharing it with you in hopes that it will help my fellow Thanemancers and friends of Thane. I cannot hope to write the part as beautifully as Thane was done in Mass Effect 2, but I this is my humble try.

*snips through tears*
 
 
Thank you for reading through all this. It is my hope that it help sooth your hearts. It has helped me with mine. Thane is a worthy character to love and he deserved more in Mass Effect 3.

Unbelievable.  SEND THIS TO BIOWARE.  I will give you their address.  Post it in the Take back the Love thread at the very least!  Link is in my sig!!

You are truly talented.  Tears, seriously.    And my new Thane re-write of ME3.  

[Little Vixen]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Little Vixen wrote...

How we could fix the storyline for Thane:
 
I have mainly written this for a love interest Shepard, but it could also be adapted for a friend Shepard. I wrote this as therapy for me, because I have been greatly pained at the treatment of Thane. I am sharing it with you in hopes that it will help my fellow Thanemancers and friends of Thane. I cannot hope to write the part as beautifully as Thane was done in Mass Effect 2, but I this is my humble try.

*snips through tears*
 
 
Thank you for reading through all this. It is my hope that it help sooth your hearts. It has helped me with mine. Thane is a worthy character to love and he deserved more in Mass Effect 3.

Unbelievable.  SEND THIS TO BIOWARE.  I will give you their address.  Post it in the Take back the Love thread at the very least!  Link is in my sig!!

You are truly talented.  Tears, seriously.    And my new Thane re-write of ME3.  

Thank you! I don't think I could have ask for a better compliment.

[Aeyl]

*Gets back on thread after few hours*

Ok so my mind is blown. Thanks for the praise everyone, glad you liked the designs

If you see this Little Vixen, what would the scenario be if you haven't done the Shadow Broker DLC and Feron is therefore dead?

Anyways, I enjoyed reading your version of events a lot!
This is the first time I've seen someone accepting the death scene and working with it (instead of preventing it in the first place), very clever! Considering how prolific of an assassin Thane seems to be (rumored to be the best in the galaxy, if I recall correctly), it wouldn't be strange for him to still have some old contacts on Kahje who could get him into clinical trials or give him access to test treatments if he used a bit of coercion during the time where Shepard is incarcerated

[Little Vixen]

Hmmm...I guess I hadn't considered Feron being dead. I was getting letters from him in ME3 and Liara likes to talk about him. I suppose the letter could be from Kolyat, or some unknown character. Maybe just an old contact of Thane's. As long as Shepard gets the letter, I would imagine that is the important part. I was just using it as a way to get Shepard back to the Citadel to meet up with Thane.

[lyssalu]

god i can't even play through this game it's so silly, and little bits like this make it all worse

[Emeraldfern]

@Little Vixen that was.. awesome!
This is what should have happened I had my own idea but it's not even close to yours in terms of writing.

Just one thing I personally thought when I read it was that maybe, it should only be for Shepards who had Thane loyal. Because if my memory serves right, I think Kolyat does not show up in the game if Thane is disloyal, or does he?
I don't have any saves were Thane is disloyal so I can't check.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 17 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[Aurien]

I'm a little late, but I'd be all in for the armband/banner/etc idea as well! I live in Montreal, where their main HQ is (it's actually a few blocks from me lol) and I'd be all in for something like this to show support for a better Thane for 3.