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[wildannie]

@Visii Have you had info from BW? Where did you hear there was no plan to cure Thane? or that resources were an issue?

Edit: great post btw

Modifié par wildannie, 17 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Sarquindi]

It was this post, from last year, that kind of caused Thane's death to upset me.
http://social.biowar...3/index/7648602

They linked Thane's disease to Cystic Fibrosis. While it's not identical, and they stated that, it is VERY similar. I actually have Cystic Fibrosis. I have been living with it all of my life. I instantly connected with Thane because his symptoms are an exact copy of mine. I have difficulty breathing, I have to do LOTS of medications daily, I have a chronic cough, I sometimes feel like I can never get enough air, and I will have a shortened life unless it is cured. Before that post was up, I went "Wow... Thane sounds exactly like me... Except, I'm not able to run around and shoot people." It's very uncomfortable watching your LI, and one of your favourite characters, die from a disease that is basically the same one you have... It come as a reality check... And I was a little upset that they went ahead and had him die from Kepral's Syndrome. I honestly didn't mind that they killed him off. I knew they were going to do it anyway... I would have liked them to at least save it for the end of the game; or maybe have him sacrifice himself to save Shepard, instead of being from Kepral's Syndrome... I wanted more time with him, and I did feel a little cheated. I felt like it was a little insensitive, the way they handled it.

After having posted that, I really think they should have put up a charity for the Cystic Fibrosis foundation... Donate money for a cure for Thane. I would have really liked that.

[wildannie]

Uinen03 wrote...

It was this post, from last year, that kind of caused Thane's death to upset me.
http://social.biowar...3/index/7648602

They linked Thane's disease to Cystic Fibrosis. While it's not identical, and they stated that, it is VERY similar. I actually have Cystic Fibrosis. I have been living with it all of my life. I instantly connected with Thane because his symptoms are an exact copy of mine. I have difficulty breathing, I have to do LOTS of medications daily, I have a chronic cough, I sometimes feel like I can never get enough air, and I will have a shortened life unless it is cured. Before that post was up, I went "Wow... Thane sounds exactly like me... Except, I'm not able to run around and shoot people." It's very uncomfortable watching your LI, and one of your favourite characters, die from a disease that is basically the same one you have... It come as a reality check... And I was a little upset that they went ahead and had him die from Kepral's Syndrome. I honestly didn't mind that they killed him off. I knew they were going to do it anyway... I would have liked them to at least save it for the end of the game; or maybe have him sacrifice himself to save Shepard, instead of being from Kepral's Syndrome... I wanted more time with him, and I did feel a little cheated. I felt like it was a little insensitive, the way they handled it.

After having posted that, I really think they should have put up a charity for the Cystic Fibrosis foundation... Donate money for a cure for Thane. I would have really liked that.

I'm sorry to hear you have CF and wish you well.  In hindsight that post was more than a little insensitive.  I'm getting angry all over again.

[Visii]

wildannie wrote...

@Visii Have you had info from BW? Where did you hear there was no plan to cure Thane? or that resources were an issue?

Edit: great post btw

I can't reveal my source. They really, really didn't want talk to me, or anyone for that matter but they finally said this:

Regarding the state of the ME2 LI's:

"... we were told that of the old love interests, only Tali and Garrus would really carry forward, we all tried to deal with it as best we could... It was a bitter pill, and some of us did better than others."

Regarding the entire Thane, nobody/remembered him after he died bit, "Nobody took the realization casually. We
collectively beat ourselves up about it when we realized what had happened..." Apparently there were issues regarding the Cerberus Coup, and fixing them took more time than they realized.  "I'd like to think that if it had been in good shape earlier, we would have noticed."


About Thane's death:

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise. I had hoped to make it possible to have him survive and go off to be a war asset like Grunt, but it didn't  come through, mainly because everyone said that the emotional payoff from his death would be undercut by doing that, and that was going to be
so powerful and wonderful... until they pulled resources from it."

Modifié par Visii, 17 mars 2012 - 07:43 .

[Cosmochyck]

Visii wrote...

wildannie wrote...

@Visii Have you had info from BW? Where did you hear there was no plan to cure Thane? or that resources were an issue?

Edit: great post btw

I can't reveal my source. They really, really didn't want talk to me, or anyone for that matter but they finally said this:

Regarding the state of the ME2 LI's:

"... we were told that of the old love interests, only Tali and Garrus would really carry forward, we all tried to deal with it as best we could... It was a bitter pill, and some of us did better than others."

Regarding the entire Thane, nobody/remembered him after he died bit, "Nobody took the realization casually. We
collectively beat ourselves up about it when we realized what had happened..." Apparently there were issues regarding the Cerberus Coup, and fixing them took more time than they realized.  "I'd like to think that if it had been in good shape earlier, we would have noticed."


About Thane's death:

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise. I had hoped to make it possible to have him survive and go off to be a war asset like Grunt, but it didn't  come through, mainly because everyone said that the emotional payoff from his death would be undercut by doing that, and that was going to be
so powerful and wonderful... until they pulled resources from it."

BIGGEST. LAMEST. COP-OUT. EVER. 

Why does EVERYONE think he needs to DIE for it to be emotional??  Like there are no other emotional moments in a person's life unless someone they know has DIED??  Hello??

[Aeyl]

Thanks for the excellent post Visii. The response is, well...rather disappointing. Thanks for the information

Edit: No need

Modifié par Aeyl, 17 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Visii]

Aeyl wrote...

Thanks for the excellent post Visii. The response is, well...rather disappointing. Thanks for the information

Oh, that wasn't a response to my post. That was a conversation I had, earlier.

[disc0nnect7]

So their master plan was to just have him drop dead after all. Great story. One of the greatest LI's created for femShep just HAS to be terminally ill, and that's supposed to be the entire focus of his character. No, he had so much more potential before all this happened.

[coldwetn0se]

Uinen03 wrote...

It was this post, from last year, that kind of caused Thane's death to upset me.
http://social.biowar...3/index/7648602

They linked Thane's disease to Cystic Fibrosis. While it's not identical, and they stated that, it is VERY similar. I actually have Cystic Fibrosis. I have been living with it all of my life. I instantly connected with Thane because his symptoms are an exact copy of mine. I have difficulty breathing, I have to do LOTS of medications daily, I have a chronic cough, I sometimes feel like I can never get enough air, and I will have a shortened life unless it is cured. Before that post was up, I went "Wow... Thane sounds exactly like me... Except, I'm not able to run around and shoot people." It's very uncomfortable watching your LI, and one of your favourite characters, die from a disease that is basically the same one you have... It come as a reality check... And I was a little upset that they went ahead and had him die from Kepral's Syndrome. I honestly didn't mind that they killed him off. I knew they were going to do it anyway... I would have liked them to at least save it for the end of the game; or maybe have him sacrifice himself to save Shepard, instead of being from Kepral's Syndrome... I wanted more time with him, and I did feel a little cheated. I felt like it was a little insensitive, the way they handled it.

After having posted that, I really think they should have put up a charity for the Cystic Fibrosis foundation... Donate money for a cure for Thane. I would have really liked that.

I wish you well.  I would wholly support (and donate....well, would donate even without the Thane Kepral similarities) a donation drive for CF. 

[Cosmochyck]

Not to mention he was character of the year in 2010 and they bragged about how much time they took developing him!!  Ugh!  So frustrating!!

[Aeyl]

Visii wrote...

Aeyl wrote...

Thanks for the excellent post Visii. The response is, well...rather disappointing. Thanks for the information

Oh, that wasn't a response to my post. That was a conversation I had, earlier.

Oh, I see. That's good then. *phew* Ignore everything I just wrote, LOL

[Visii]

disc0nnect7 wrote...

So their master plan was to just have him drop dead after all. Great story. One of the greatest LI's created for femShep just HAS to be terminally ill, and that's supposed to be the entire focus of his character. No, he had so much more potential before all this happened.

Well, in the Neck Snap Appreciation Society, someone had posted a link to an interview with Thane's previous writer in ME2, and then, he said that he didn't know what they had planned for Thane, so it seems it wasn't the idea from the outset...

Aeyl,

Yeah. I only brought it up because I mentioned the lack of resources explanation I heard in my post to the ME3 changes thread, and wildannie wanted to know more. I still think your post is relevant.

I posted a summary of what heard around, a few weeks ago- I think it just slipped beneath the surface without anyone noticing...

Modifié par Visii, 17 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[thejoyrider]

Visii wrote...
I can't reveal my source. They really, really didn't want talk to me, or anyone for that matter but they finally said this:

Regarding the state of the ME2 LI's:

"... we were told that of the old love interests, only Tali and Garrus would really carry forward, we all tried to deal with it as best we could... It was a bitter pill, and some of us did better than others."

Regarding the entire Thane, nobody/remembered him after he died bit, "Nobody took the realization casually. We
collectively beat ourselves up about it when we realized what had happened..." Apparently there were issues regarding the Cerberus Coup, and fixing them took more time than they realized.  "I'd like to think that if it had been in good shape earlier, we would have noticed."


About Thane's death:

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise. I had hoped to make it possible to have him survive and go off to be a war asset like Grunt, but it didn't  come through, mainly because everyone said that the emotional payoff from his death would be undercut by doing that, and that was going to be
so powerful and wonderful... until they pulled resources from it."

holy crap this is all depressing. why bother creating the ME2 characters in the first place if there was no intentions on following through? i'd have taken complete story arcs over multiplayer any day. maybe their "resources" would have been better used on content they'd already created and seeing it through rather trying to tack on something new?

[disc0nnect7]

Visii wrote...

disc0nnect7 wrote...

So their master plan was to just have him drop dead after all. Great story. One of the greatest LI's created for femShep just HAS to be terminally ill, and that's supposed to be the entire focus of his character. No, he had so much more potential before all this happened.

Well, in the Neck Snap Appreciation Society, someone had posted a link to an interview with Thane's previous writer in ME2, and then, he said that he didn't know what they had planned for Thane, so it seems it wasn't the idea from the outset...

How I miss Chris L'Etoile. I guess he wasn't really in charge of what would happen to Thane in the future. What really frustates me is that Bioware is basically supporting all those people who thought Thane should NOT be given an option to live and that he must die because it's crucial to his character. For the "emotional payoff" that we never got. The bitter part in me thinks the resources they cut from Thane were used in the MP. Or maybe for the characters they deemed worthy of having a fulfilling romance.

[Thrazesul]

Really? Their plan along? I just... I mean, what.



Sigh.

[wildannie]

Visii wrote...

wildannie wrote...

@Visii Have you had info from BW? Where did you hear there was no plan to cure Thane? or that resources were an issue?

Edit: great post btw

I can't reveal my source. They really, really didn't want talk to me, or anyone for that matter but they finally said this:

Regarding the state of the ME2 LI's:

"... we were told that of the old love interests, only Tali and Garrus would really carry forward, we all tried to deal with it as best we could... It was a bitter pill, and some of us did better than others."

Regarding the entire Thane, nobody/remembered him after he died bit, "Nobody took the realization casually. We
collectively beat ourselves up about it when we realized what had happened..." Apparently there were issues regarding the Cerberus Coup, and fixing them took more time than they realized.  "I'd like to think that if it had been in good shape earlier, we would have noticed."


About Thane's death:

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise. I had hoped to make it possible to have him survive and go off to be a war asset like Grunt, but it didn't  come through, mainly because everyone said that the emotional payoff from his death would be undercut by doing that, and that was going to be
so powerful and wonderful... until they pulled resources from it."

wow, well I guess thats that then.  BW really need to get a handle on what information they put out there, how could anyone have NOT thought that info would be taken as foreshadowing?  Also, what the hell was with those recent tweets?  'hope dies last, have faith'  REALLY???  Someone needs to be vetting what information is going out to fans.  I'm thoroughly disgusted.

Thanks for letting us know though.

[thejoyrider]

Despite what they had planned, I still want to push for change because clearly they made a mistake. Not just with Thane's story, but by deeming the other ME2 characters less important...especially after we were told that there wasn't going to be favoritism going forward in ME3.

[Visii]

@wildannie,

That recent twitter post is the only thing that has me even a little hopeful. Maybe I'm being foolish and pathetically desperate, I don't know. But right now, Thane is dead. Anything they do with him would have to be fixing what they gave us in some way.

And if they're fixing it, they could also be adding other options. I certainly wouldn't mind redoing the game to get them.

[Aello89]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Visii wrote...

wildannie wrote...

@Visii Have you had info from BW? Where did you hear there was no plan to cure Thane? or that resources were an issue?

Edit: great post btw

I can't reveal my source. They really, really didn't want talk to me, or anyone for that matter but they finally said this:

Regarding the state of the ME2 LI's:

"... we were told that of the old love interests, only Tali and Garrus would really carry forward, we all tried to deal with it as best we could... It was a bitter pill, and some of us did better than others."

Regarding the entire Thane, nobody/remembered him after he died bit, "Nobody took the realization casually. We
collectively beat ourselves up about it when we realized what had happened..." Apparently there were issues regarding the Cerberus Coup, and fixing them took more time than they realized.  "I'd like to think that if it had been in good shape earlier, we would have noticed."


About Thane's death:

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise. I had hoped to make it possible to have him survive and go off to be a war asset like Grunt, but it didn't  come through, mainly because everyone said that the emotional payoff from his death would be undercut by doing that, and that was going to be
so powerful and wonderful... until they pulled resources from it."

BIGGEST. LAMEST. COP-OUT. EVER. 

Why does EVERYONE think he needs to DIE for it to be emotional??  Like there are no other emotional moments in a person's life unless someone they know has DIED??  Hello??

I'm utterly baffled.

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise."
WHAT?!  Brb I'm just going to break something on this part of text.

The word 'disappointing' doesn't even begin to cover this.

[Visii]

Aello89 wrote...

I'm utterly baffled.

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise."
WHAT?!  Brb I'm just going to break something on this part of text.

The word 'disappointing' doesn't even begin to cover this.

While I'm glad that I got any insight into the matter, while speaking to the source, I got the distinct impression that the person wasn't as close to things as their words seemed; I'm hoping in the instance "The plan was always to have him die, I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise" that they were just speaking in general, of what they had heard.

... yeah, that's definitely desperation. It's official guys, I'm certifiable.

Modifié par Visii, 17 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[Aeyl]

Visii wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

I'm utterly baffled.

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise."
WHAT?!  Brb I'm just going to break something on this part of text.

The word 'disappointing' doesn't even begin to cover this.

While I'm glad that I got any insight into the matter, while speaking to the source, I got the distinct impression that the person wasn't as close to things as their words seemed; I'm hoping in the instance "The plan was always to have him die, I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise" that they were just speaking in general, of what they had heard.

... yeah, that's definitely desperation. It's official guys, I'm certifiable.

Remember the lung medigel. It just...It doesn't make sense. Why?

You know what? Nevermind. I think I'm just desperate too.

You're in good company, hahahaha

[Aello89]

Visii wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

I'm utterly baffled.

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise."
WHAT?!  Brb I'm just going to break something on this part of text.

The word 'disappointing' doesn't even begin to cover this.

While I'm glad that I got any insight into the matter, while speaking to the source, I got the distinct impression that the person wasn't as close to things as their words seemed; I'm hoping in the instance "The plan was always to have him die, I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise" that they were just speaking in general, of what they had heard.

... yeah, that's definitely desperation. It's official guys, I'm certifiable.

Thank you Visii for sharing this with us all. It's just.....I'm at a loss for words to describe this.

I find it more then a tad unfair since they were dangling the "hope carrot" more then once. From my perspective all the evidence pointed to the contrary to what is stated in that sentance.

Modifié par Aello89, 17 mars 2012 - 08:57 .

[Visii]

Aeyl wrote...

Visii wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

I'm utterly baffled.

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise."
WHAT?!  Brb I'm just going to break something on this part of text.

The word 'disappointing' doesn't even begin to cover this.

While I'm glad that I got any insight into the matter, while speaking to the source, I got the distinct impression that the person wasn't as close to things as their words seemed; I'm hoping in the instance "The plan was always to have him die, I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise" that they were just speaking in general, of what they had heard.

... yeah, that's definitely desperation. It's official guys, I'm certifiable.

Remember the lung medigel. It just...It doesn't make sense. Why?

You know what? Nevermind. I think I'm just desperate too.

You're in good company, hahahaha

The Medigel for the lungs bit, is what make me question it, despite my source's words. Who else in the fanbase, would find that article even remotely interesting, save Thane fans? To who else would it apply? What thought process went into Thane's shadow broker dossier, even mentioning that he was a transplant candidate? Why and when did he refuse, and why, if it happened before he signed on with/was romanced by Shepard, why wasn't it an option following the events of ME2?

Going back even further, why even mention that the Hanar are working on a cure? Ever hear that, "if there's a gun on the mantle, it better go off by the end of the story?"

In ME3, why was none of this a topic for discussion if we HAD to spend our one conversation with Thane talking about his illness again?

If all that isn't foreshadowing, I really don't know what is.

[EvanesceKunoichi]

Visii wrote...

Aeyl wrote...

Visii wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

I'm utterly baffled.

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise."
WHAT?!  Brb I'm just going to break something on this part of text.

The word 'disappointing' doesn't even begin to cover this.

While I'm glad that I got any insight into the matter, while speaking to the source, I got the distinct impression that the person wasn't as close to things as their words seemed; I'm hoping in the instance "The plan was always to have him die, I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise" that they were just speaking in general, of what they had heard.

... yeah, that's definitely desperation. It's official guys, I'm certifiable.

Remember the lung medigel. It just...It doesn't make sense. Why?

You know what? Nevermind. I think I'm just desperate too.

You're in good company, hahahaha

The Medigel for the lungs bit, is what make me question it, despite my source's words. Who else in the fanbase, would find that article even remotely interesting, save Thane fans? To who else would it apply? What thought process went into Thane's shadow broker dossier, even mentioning that he was a transplant candidate? Why and when did he refuse, and why, if it happened before he signed on with/was romanced by Shepard, why wasn't it an option following the events of ME2?

Going back even further, why even mention that the Hanar are working on a cure? Ever hear that, "if there's a gun on the mantle, it better go off by the end of the story?"

In ME3, why was none of this a topic for discussion if we HAD to spend our one conversation with Thane talking about his illness again?

If all that isn't foreshadowing, I really don't know what is.

And then they wonder why we are expecting a cure...

[Aello89]

Visii wrote...

Aeyl wrote...

Visii wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

I'm utterly baffled.

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise."
WHAT?!  Brb I'm just going to break something on this part of text.

The word 'disappointing' doesn't even begin to cover this.

While I'm glad that I got any insight into the matter, while speaking to the source, I got the distinct impression that the person wasn't as close to things as their words seemed; I'm hoping in the instance "The plan was always to have him die, I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise" that they were just speaking in general, of what they had heard.

... yeah, that's definitely desperation. It's official guys, I'm certifiable.

Remember the lung medigel. It just...It doesn't make sense. Why?

You know what? Nevermind. I think I'm just desperate too.

You're in good company, hahahaha

The Medigel for the lungs bit, is what make me question it, despite my source's words. Who else in the fanbase, would find that article even remotely interesting, save Thane fans? To who else would it apply? What thought process went into Thane's shadow broker dossier, even mentioning that he was a transplant candidate? Why and when did he refuse, and why, if it happened before he signed on with/was romanced by Shepard, why wasn't it an option following the events of ME2?

Going back even further, why even mention that the Hanar are working on a cure? Ever hear that, "if there's a gun on the mantle, it better go off by the end of the story?"

In ME3, why was none of this a topic for discussion if we HAD to spend our one conversation with Thane talking about his illness again?

If all that isn't foreshadowing, I really don't know what is.

Carrots, carrots everywhere:

- Hanar working on a cure ( guys are taking a long time compared to Mordin's awesome capability to create a cure for genophage in such a record time despite stating "that it's not easy to create" ). MAGIC? Couldn't the same strategy that Mordin used be applied to finding a cure for drell as well? I mean there have to be some drell who are immune to the illness or got adapted to it.

- Hana and co. creating a wonderful banner and sending it to BW HQ.  I think the banner did state the obvious about Thane fans hopes and wishes. And that was done more than half a year ago. If I'm not wrong.

- Medigel for lungs hint.

- Thane's medical record.

- "Cure for Thane" on Facebook.

not to mention how Thane undergoes a change from a man accepting his death to a man who is no longer at peace with it (if romanced).

I'm sure I forgot to mention more carrots.

quoting: If all that isn't foreshadowing, I really don't know what is.

Modifié par Aello89, 17 mars 2012 - 10:03 .