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[mnomaha]

Well, there's also the fact that Jacob, yes Jacob, had more context than Thane. Was he not optional as well? But hell, he got involved in a real sidequest. And got a rather happy "Ima gonna be a daddy" ending. Aaand, I could be wrong, be isn't his fan base smaller than even ours is?

[Lucky Thirteen]

Do not bring Jacob in this, he was the most trashed romance out of them all.

[Raiil]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Do not bring Jacob in this, he was the most trashed romance out of them all.

Pretty much, we got way more closure than Jacob fans did- which is pretty pathetic.

Modifié par Valentia X, 11 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[lyssalu]

Xeranx wrote...

The original writer for Thane was Chris L'Etoile (sp?). He's also the original writer for Ashley and the one who wrote Noveria in Mass Effect.

I never tried out the Thane romance, namely because of the dialogue option "I want you Thane", but I think I'll close my eyes and select it the next time I run through ME2.

it's actually a pretty sweet line!  not near as bad as it looks.  and i think there might be another way to initiatie a romance with him?  but i'm not sure.

[Andromedaae]

My Sheps romance Kaidan primarily but I have to agree with this.
The treatment of nearly all ME2 romances is abysmal and unfair. I guess I'm lucky because there's been a lot of dialogue and cute cutscenes with my LI option. Thane is my second choice but I'm terrified of importing that playthrough now.

It's like Bioware is trying to force a certain direction and then screw you over if you don't choose it.
I think there should at least be a paramour achievement in continuing his romance, and some of the crew should at least mention it!
Nearly everyone talked to me about about Mordin/Ashley but no-one mentioned a thing about Thane and I found that very odd.

idk I just think that Bioware should focus their energy on they're known for; great plot, characterisation and choice. I love the improved combat and everything but I'd much rather swap it for the above. Sometimes I feel like the latest games have been lacking in that regard.

Modifié par Andromedaae, 11 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[Julia_xo]

As a Thane romancer I don't feel like I got closure at all (but you guys are right to say Jacob romancers got even less).

I hate thinking about Thane's death scene. Shepard has no option to tell him how important he is to her or that she loves him. BioWare even felt the need to cut out recorded lines that might have made it a little more personal for us. Like Shepard telling him not to give up and Thane asking her to keep him in her memory for awhile. I get teary eyed just thinking about that line.

Especially since I know, no one will keep him in their memory. The game and everyone in it just forgets he existed after he dies. It's infuriating and depressing.

[Visii]

Julia_xo wrote...

As a Thane romancer I don't feel like I got closure at all (but you guys are right to say Jacob romancers got even less).

I hate thinking about Thane's death scene. Shepard has no option to tell him how important he is to her or that she loves him. BioWare even felt the need to cut out recorded lines that might have made it a little more personal for us. Like Shepard telling him not to give up and Thane asking her to keep him in her memory for awhile. I get teary eyed just thinking about that line.

Especially since I know, no one will keep him in their memory. The game and everyone in it just forgets he existed after he dies. It's infuriating and depressing.

And we predicted how this would go. This is exactly why we didn't want this to happen, because his death wouldn't be given the gravitas it needed to make his loss acceptable.

[Miss Krios]

It completely agree with the author of a theme.

[Visii]

mnomaha wrote...

Well, there's also the fact that Jacob, yes Jacob, had more context than Thane. Was he not optional as well? But hell, he got involved in a real sidequest. And got a rather happy "Ima gonna be a daddy" ending. Aaand, I could be wrong, be isn't his fan base smaller than even ours is?

It shouldn't be an issue of fanbase size. There is just no way anyone with any sense could think that people who romanced Jacob or Thane would be satisfied with what was given in the final installment of the game, when we will never see them again.

[Cosmochyck]

Yep, I agree.

Most of the ME2 squad were thrown away. And considering if you own a PS3 you couldn't even get invested in the squad from ME1, nothing like throwing that back in your face!

Thane (and Jacob) were horribly written, and Thane wasn't even written true to the character. There is no excuse for what happened.  Not to mention the fact that for Thane, 99% of the lines are re-used for non-romanced/Male Shep!
Brutal.

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 11 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[mnomaha]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Do not bring Jacob in this, he was the most trashed romance out of them all.

I never romanced him, so I don't know. So, for my unromanced Jacob, he got a way better ending. He seemed very content. And he was alive and having babies.

How does it play out if you romanced him? OT I know, but now I'm curious.

edit: oh ****, nevermind. That completely sucks.

Modifié par mnomaha, 11 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[Sarah1281]

How does it play out if you romanced him? OT I know, but now I'm curious.

It plays out like this. www.youtube.com/watch

Despite dating Shepard, he still goes off very content and alive and having babies like a ****** at the most inopportune time in history.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 11 mars 2012 - 10:48 .

[lalaquen]

Aurien wrote...

Durgon Ironfist wrote...

He was terminally ill and still sought redemption. The man charged the most dangerous man in the galaxy and held his own. He was stabbed in the chest and still got up to return fire and as he was on his death bed he asked his gods to help his best friend/love. How in the sodding hell could they have done this any better?! You people are either dumb or insane! Perhaps both!

How could it have been better??

Levvi wrote...

Did you guys hear the extended version of
his death scene?! It's much better than what we were given!. I'm beyond
angry that it was cut from the game.

Here you go.

If you're interested

^^^^  Leaving THAT in would have been a big start!  As is they cut so much of that out it's all clinical and generic now between either friendship or romance.  Nothing that is really all that romance specific anymore.  Not like that emotionally charged extended cut that is not even in the final.  *sigh*

I have defended the Thane romance from ME3 a couple of times already, and I still maintain that while it could certainly have been better, it wasn't bad. I can rationalize most of it, including their rather... reserved attitudes towards each other in his final death scene. His son was there. I have no idea if he and Thane had spoken of the extent of the relationship between he and Shepard before or not, but given that both ther circumstances of Irikah's death and Thane's perceived response to it were at the heart of their problems, I can see why they might not have. I can also see Shepard (having no way of knowing whether they had or not) trying desperately to reign in her own feelings on the matter just incase. And not even just for Kolyat's sake, but for Thane's as well. She didn't want him to die knowing how much it hurt her to loose him, because she didn't want to fill his final moments with any more pain or guilt. Let him die the hero; let him see her strong and resolute, and at peace (as he seemed to want her to be) so that he could die in peace.

That said... this is the first time I've encountered the bit of dialogue that was cut from that final scene, and all I have to say is damn. That was... hn. I thought I was done crying over this game. I was wrong. Like, seriously goddamn wrong. That just... broke my heart in all the best and worst kinds of ways; best because it was beautiful and touch, and worst because it wasn't included.

[Sarah1281]

His son was there. I have no idea if he and Thane had spoken of the extent of the relationship between he and Shepard before or not, but given that both ther circumstances of Irikah's death and Thane's perceived response to it were at the heart of their problems, I can see why they might not have.

I don't think it matters if Thane had mentioned that you two were serious. What is Kolyat going to do, throw a fit at his father's deathbed? And not having a proper goodbye because you're afraid of what Kolyat might think about it is stupid.

[lalaquen]

Sarah1281 wrote...

His son was there. I have no idea if he and Thane had spoken of the extent of the relationship between he and Shepard before or not, but given that both ther circumstances of Irikah's death and Thane's perceived response to it were at the heart of their problems, I can see why they might not have.

I don't think it matters if Thane had mentioned that you two were serious. What is Kolyat going to do, throw a fit at his father's deathbed? And not having a proper goodbye because you're afraid of what Kolyat might think about it is stupid.

You're entitled to your own opinion, obviously. Everyone is different, everyone reacts to things differently. I know I, as a person, wouldn't want to risk making the final moments between a father and son tense or awkward just because of how I felt, and (accordingly) I can see my Shepard feeling the same. Yes, she loved him; and he obviously loved her. And had they been alone, or had their been time for her to say something more to him before Kolyat got there (had she not had to chase after Kai Leng and all the rest), I'm certain she would have. But it didn't seem appropriate to do in front of Kolyat, nor would it have been apprpriate to ask him to leave. Again, just my personal opinion, but I think "son" trumpt relatively recent lover, no matter how much she loved him. Shepard could mourn on her own, later, in her own way. Would it be as satisfying? Of course not. But Shepard (Paragon Shep at least) frequently makes choices that require her to scarifice her personal good for the good of others... and I think that if she really loved him, then his son would be one of the people most worth sacrificing for.

[EvilChani]

Julia_xo wrote...

As a Thane romancer I don't feel like I got closure at all (but you guys are right to say Jacob romancers got even less).

I hate thinking about Thane's death scene. Shepard has no option to tell him how important he is to her or that she loves him. BioWare even felt the need to cut out recorded lines that might have made it a little more personal for us. Like Shepard telling him not to give up and Thane asking her to keep him in her memory for awhile. I get teary eyed just thinking about that line.

Especially since I know, no one will keep him in their memory. The game and everyone in it just forgets he existed after he dies. It's infuriating and depressing.

It's worse than getting no closure. Why did they bother telling us in the Shadow Broker DLC that he could be saved only to have him die from his stupid disease?? Why can Tali run around in a suit that filters out the things that hurt her body but Thane runs around without one? Mordin couldn't have designed a breather or something to dry his air out? He loved Shepard but not enough to do whatever the hell it took to survive so he could be by her side until the end (i.e., getting the bloody transplants)?? The writing was half-assed, at best. Instead of wasting so much time getting multiplayer going, they should've worked on the GDMFing story and given us both an ending that made sense and romances that did not suck donkey balls! 

I honestly can't finish the game. After Thane died, a part of my Shepard died too. It didn't help that all of the crew refuse to even acknowledge Thane's death (and what he meant to Shepard) or that that douchebag Kaidan had the utter gall to FORGIVE Shepard for "cheating" on him, despite him telling her in an indirect way (on Horizon in ME2) that he'd rather she died than Cerberus save her. Thane would've never said such crap. I hate Kaidan. And I hate BioWare for their nasty (and intentional) carrot they offered in the Shadow Broker DLC when they had no intention of even giving us a chance to save Thane. Bastards. 

[Sarah1281]

I know I, as a person, wouldn't want to risk making the final moments between a father and son tense or awkward just because of how I felt, and (accordingly) I can see my Shepard feeling the same.

I just can't seem Kolyat deciding to get tense or awkward about the fact his father was dating someone on his father's deathbed. It just seems so very petty and like Shepard is trying to protect a grown-up man from something he doesn't actually need protecting from.

[Visii]

lalaquen wrote...

You're entitled to your own opinion, obviously. Everyone is different, everyone reacts to things differently. I know I, as a person, wouldn't want to risk making the final moments between a father and son tense or awkward just because of how I felt, and (accordingly) I can see my Shepard feeling the same. Yes, she loved him; and he obviously loved her. And had they been alone, or had their been time for her to say something more to him before Kolyat got there (had she not had to chase after Kai Leng and all the rest), I'm certain she would have. But it didn't seem appropriate to do in front of Kolyat, nor would it have been apprpriate to ask him to leave. Again, just my personal opinion, but I think "son" trumpt relatively recent lover, no matter how much she loved him. Shepard could mourn on her own, later, in her own way. Would it be as satisfying? Of course not. But Shepard (Paragon Shep at least) frequently makes choices that require her to scarifice her personal good for the good of others... and I think that if she really loved him, then his son would be one of the people most worth sacrificing for.

But that's the problem. The biggest problem:  Shepard doesn't get to mourn on her own, later. No one asks Shepard how's she's coping with the loss of a loved one. All anyone talks about is the VS. No one except Kai-Freaking-Leng even brings up the fact that Thane died!

[Witty_Remark]

Does anyone know why the extended dialogue was cut? It couldn't have been because Thane was taking up too much time in the storyline. Was there some difficulty animating the scene? What happened?

I just don't understand.

[lyssalu]

apparently kelly chambers gets more romantic content than thane and jacob did

seriously this is kelly chambers and shep banging in a crate

and you can get the paramour achievement from her!

what?

Modifié par lyssalu, 12 mars 2012 - 01:03 .

[Raiil]

lyssalu wrote...

apparently kelly chambers gets more romantic content than thane and jacob did

and you can get the paramour achievement from her!

what?

Wait, what?


Tell me you're kidding, please 

[lyssalu]

this on top of diana allers, hahahaha

[Raiil]

lyssalu wrote...

this on top of diana allers, hahahaha

Oh, my God.


Seriously BioWare? Where was ours? If surprise!kissy face doesn't count..... <_<