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[gearseffect]

mnomaha wrote...

@SilentK...broken hearts all around, unless you're with the ME1 crowd.

ME1 cast sucks @ss! Except Wrex! Wrex is the man! Wrex and ME2 cast star as the main cast of the true ME3, were Liara, Ash/Kaidan, Joker, Adams, are all killed of in very tastless ways, like Murader Shields takes a sh!t on them and they die!

Miranda can also be killed at the start of the true ME3 game along with Hacket! Garrus and Tali TOO! Also Dr. Chuckwas!


Wrex, Jack, Samara, Thane, Mordin, Grunt, Vega, Jacob T. Javik, Legion, Zaeed, Kasumi, Aria, Kelly CHambers, Gabby and Ken, Rupert, and Emily Wong, THE TRUE ME3 FIGHT FOR THE LOST!!!

[Daicotje]

mnomaha wrote...

@SilentK...broken hearts all around, unless you're with the ME1 crowd.

Reading this I suddenly not only got the feeling that I got punished for liking ME2 romances more than ME1 romances. But that I somehow got punished for liking ME2 more than ME1 too.
While this is totally not true I now really feel like BioWare is rewarding people for liking one of their games more than the other... 

I loved both games equally and I remember that when I first started playing ME2 I was so happy to see Tali very early on, I couldn't wait to go see how Garrus and Wrex were doing. And while I  didn't really like Kaidan and Liara as much as the others, I was still glad to see them (up until Kaidan started talking ).
I wanted them all in my party just as much as I wanted my ME2 squad back in ME3... 

But my romantic interest went out to one of the ME2 characters and I suppose that means I like ME2 more? And I'm to be punished for that? 

[mnomaha]

It seems like the entire ME2 game was for nothing. Why did we spend the game recruiting all these people, because really, except for actually destroying the collectors, that is *all* we did. Recruitment and loyalty missions. And mine planets. And I actually miss exploring and mining all those planets. The ME3 version is completely stupid.

@Daicotje...you're right. It does feel like a punishment.

[Daicotje]

Since there's been talk of people wearing green bracelets fro Thane (I don't remember which topic it was exactly) I've been looking at some possibilities. I've found one company that seems to have a good price for those nifty silicone ones, but the big question is : how many people would want one? The lowest number I can get is 50 and the price/piece would be around 1,5$ (calculated from € since I live in Europe). If we can push the number to 100 the price would be less than 1$.
If we're going to do this I need to know that I won't be left with 80 bands, My arms are too short to wear them all!

So anyone still interested?


Edit : Here's a link to a picture with some examples: shop.allpremiums.nl/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/i/siliconen_polsbandjes_bedrukt.jpg

Modifié par Daicotje, 18 mars 2012 - 10:03 .

[gearseffect]

Daicotje wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

@SilentK...broken hearts all around, unless you're with the ME1 crowd.

Reading this I suddenly not only got the feeling that I got punished for liking ME2 romances more than ME1 romances. But that I somehow got punished for liking ME2 more than ME1 too.
While this is totally not true I now really feel like BioWare is rewarding people for liking one of their games more than the other... 

I loved both games equally and I remember that when I first started playing ME2 I was so happy to see Tali very early on, I couldn't wait to go see how Garrus and Wrex were doing. And while I  didn't really like Kaidan and Liara as much as the others, I was still glad to see them (up until Kaidan started talking ).
I wanted them all in my party just as much as I wanted my ME2 squad back in ME3... 

But my romantic interest went out to one of the ME2 characters and I suppose that means I like ME2 more? And I'm to be punished for that? 

Sadly yes we are all being punished for that! The Whole ME2 cast was far more interesting than the ME1 cast and the characters had way more depth and personality to them. Except Wrex!

I too remember seeing Tali early on in ME2 and she was in charge I was like "WOW Tali is all grow up and she seems cool now! She's got her own squad! She is  giving orders and treating Praza like the b!tch he was! Tali got a Quad!" She was cool in her into in ME2 and I liked her in ME2!

Since ME3 came out I'm so sick of Liara I could vomit on her! I used to like her and defend her before ME3, and say BW wasn't playing favorites with Liara!

I was wrong! II like Jack, Wrex, Samara, Thane and the ME2 sqaud more than the ME1 squad.

Not only are we fans getting punished for liking them, the fans that have been wanting to see Kirrahee back (which I am one of) are getting a giant dump too, that dude was supposed to be Kirrahee??

We aslo got Snokki and not Emily Wong?

[Daicotje]

nvm this post something went wrong here 

Modifié par Daicotje, 18 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[Cyansomnia]

I want one. I'll pay whatever shipping I need to get one as well!

[mythlover20]

gearseffect wrote...
Mordin Dies no mater what!

Not true. In my Maggie playthrough he lives. But... Wrex has to die in ME1, Mordin will always sacrifice himself for him. and you have to destroy Maelon's data in Mordin's LM in ME2, because without it Eve dies, and Mordin will always sacrifice himself for her if she lives. AND you can't mention the sabotage either time's it is mentioned in the truck or by Eve and Wrex. If you keep it secret, THEN you get to convince Mordin to not cure it, and he becomes a War Asset, AND THE KROGAN DON"T KNOW ABOUT IT, so you get both the Krogan and the Turian forces. And you get a nice little bunch of dialogue, in the cockpit with Joker with everyone thinking the genophage is cured and Mordin is dead, and later in the Battery with Garrus, confessing what you did and Garrus kinda admiring you for being able to pull it off, or being disappointed in you depending on your dialogue options.


And thanks Shell. I needed that. :hug:

I'll take one of those green bands as well.

And yes, I too loved the ME2 squad more than the ME1 squad. I even like ME2/ME3 Garrus better than ME1 Garrus. And I feel I'm being punished for it too.

Modifié par mythlover20, 18 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[SilentK]

For me, this whole thing is bigger than just doing wrong to Thane or Jacob. It is about a big shift in how they treat FemShep as compared to BroShep.


At the presentation-gala of available LI:s to straight BroShep and FemShep.

Speaker-voice: "Glad to see so many Shepards gathered here, this will be a good evening! First up, the female LI:S with bigger roles. You will see them throughout your travels and given enough attention, they might even come to love you."  *cheesy grin*

Ashley:  *audience cheers*
Liara: *screams in the audience*   (she has lady-bits, oki)
Miranda: * some guy tries to climb onto the stage but is pushed off*
Jack: * Woot!!*
Tali: *A "Dawww" is heard througout the theatre*

Speaker: "Yes, some fine ladies indeed. But we also have a supporting-cast. It is my honor to present to you"

Kelly: *"You can feed my fish anytime" one guy is heard whispering to his buddy in the next seat*
Allers: * golf clap*

Speaker voice again aftert getting the guys to calm down a bit: And now, let's hear it for the Male LI:s

Kaidan: *the female audience cheers*
Garrus: * Woot*
Jacob: * Cheers*
Thane: * This time some female Shepard tries to crawl onstage but is shooed back by secruity*

Speaker: "Ok, that is the starting-field for the male LI:s. Let the voting begin! Remember, only the the two guys with most votes will be seen again. So get voting!"

The end

Sorry if I'm a bit melodramatic, but that's how I feel. There is less replay-value for FemShep because we have considerably fewer LI:s. It just doesn't feel like BioWare to me, never seen something like this in DA:O, DAII, ME or ME2. It better be a gigantic mistake because if this is the new trend I am really sad. For me this is bigger than Thane or Jacob, it is about options avaiable for FemShep.

I want replay-value too!  

edit: spelling... it's always the spelling

Modifié par SilentK, 18 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[wildannie]

@SilentK you're right, replay value has been destroyed. In DA2 the fate of Leandra and it being unavoidable to prevent Anders from doing what he did (some other mage could have done it) were one of my complaints against replay.
The unchangeable fates of Thane and Jacob do the same, and because I'm so angry that they have done this to their female fans with characters that could be central to their shepards emotional journey, I have no inclination play ME ever again... I was a sure thing for purchasing all DLC too.

Yeah, I've definitely fallen out with Bioware

Modifié par wildannie, 18 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[Alidaen]

I have been
following this thread since the loss of Thane in my game the game (although I
was afraid I had done so) and just say I'm so desperate and disappointed like
other followers of our beloved drell. I will only say that from then on I
stopped playing that game, and although I feel I have another game with
commitment and reluctantly, to end a game for me has lost so much, not because
it is bad (not bad), but the disappointment of hopes for nothing, by the lack
of respect that fans have had to Thane. No mention of his death in the game,
there is little difference between having affair with him and not have it, give
us false hopes that only serve to do more damage and leave on the floor to one
of the best characters for my liking of the saga.

And every
time I read a message that demolishes the few illusions that we are the only
thing I wonder is: Why Bioware? 

PS: I'm
sorry my faults and my bad English, but the google translator so  

[sunnie7699]

wildannie wrote...

@SilentK you're right, replay value has been destroyed. In DA2 the fate of Leandra and it being unavoidable to prevent Anders from doing what he did (some other mage could have done it) were one of my complaints against replay.
The unchangeable fates of Thane and Jacob do the same, and because I'm so angry that they have done this to their female fans with characters that could be central to their shepards emotional journey, I have no inclination play ME ever again... I was a sure thing for purchasing all DLC too.

Yeah, I've definitely fallen out with Bioware

This.

I remember reading something about the writer for Thane having changed for ME3. I wonder if the original writer knows how much Shepard's relationship with Thane was butchered..

[Emeraldfern]

@Daicotje I'm intrested in one of those bands.
@Visii
I was thinking yesterday about how to get the devs attention about the ME2 romances and something occurred to me after I quoted Viisi's post in the feedback thread, the post is very infomrative not only about Thane but about the other ME2 romances as well it also provides links to this thread and the other ME2 romance threads.

So then I thought "Maybe if it could be posted somewhere permanent (like a BSN blog) we could easily link  it to the devs twitter and ME3 facebook pages" I don't know what you think but it's just an idea.

And to anti quote Joker: "There is need to go spreading it around"

[Cosmochyck]

Emeraldfern wrote...

@Daicotje I'm intrested in one of those bands.
@Visii
I was thinking yesterday about how to get the devs attention about the ME2 romances and something occurred to me after I quoted Viisi's post in the feedback thread, the post is very infomrative not only about Thane but about the other ME2 romances as well it also provides links to this thread and the other ME2 romance threads.

So then I thought "Maybe if it could be posted somewhere permanent (like a BSN blog) we could easily link  it to the devs twitter and ME3 facebook pages" I don't know what you think but it's just an idea.

And to anti quote Joker: "There is need to go spreading it around"

I too would take a band!!

The FB page was always linked to the first post of Take Back the Love - I've just made it more obvious now

ME2 was a far superior game to ME1 - ME1 didn't get rave reviews, but they perservered, built a great game, and then screwed everyone over for loving that game.  They have plot holes, inconsistent lore, character assassinations and bugs galore in ME3.  Go ME3!!   What was that quote?  "it's a great place to get into the mass effect universe" - WTF?  

And I'm willing to link the thing everywhere if we can!  Thoughts on how we do that?  I can post it on the ME FB page no problem, just a question of how long they leave my post up:pinched:

[wildannie]

sunnie7699 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

@SilentK you're right, replay value has been destroyed. In DA2 the fate of Leandra and it being unavoidable to prevent Anders from doing what he did (some other mage could have done it) were one of my complaints against replay.
The unchangeable fates of Thane and Jacob do the same, and because I'm so angry that they have done this to their female fans with characters that could be central to their shepards emotional journey, I have no inclination play ME ever again... I was a sure thing for purchasing all DLC too.

Yeah, I've definitely fallen out with Bioware

This.

I remember reading something about the writer for Thane having changed for ME3. I wonder if the original writer knows how much Shepard's relationship with Thane was butchered..

I imagine he might have checked it out, even if he planned not to cure him I'm sure he's not impressed by the way it was handled.

I want added to the list of those up for a wristband

[blueshepard]

Daicotje wrote...

Since there's been talk of people wearing green bracelets fro Thane (I don't remember which topic it was exactly) I've been looking at some possibilities. I've found one company that seems to have a good price for those nifty silicone ones, but the big question is : how many people would want one? The lowest number I can get is 50 and the price/piece would be around 1,5$ (calculated from € since I live in Europe). If we can push the number to 100 the price would be less than 1$.
If we're going to do this I need to know that I won't be left with 80 bands, My arms are too short to wear them all!

So anyone still interested?


Edit : Here's a link to a picture with some examples: shop.allpremiums.nl/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/i/siliconen_polsbandjes_bedrukt.jpg

I would take a bracelet too

[Qilune]

I was introduced to the Mass Effect series by Thane. I bought ME2 because Thane was on the cover. I ended up a Garrus-girl, but still--Thane is really the reason I played Mass Effect at all. I couldn't believe the cheap death Thane was given, despite all the fan requests, including that "Save Thane" banner that Deviant Artists made and sent to the company.

So Thane died in my game. Total Sad-Panda, but as long as Garrus lived I was okay wit whatever ME3 threw at me. Anyway, I figured surely Thane lives if you romance him. *looks on wiki* Nope. Well, surely there's a fair bit of closure/decent romance action if you romance him. *looks at wiki* Nope. Umm... well.... Maybe "Thane Lives" DLC in the works? Nope. They're making Multiplayer DLC.

So Thane dies. Forever. All that care and concern a fan puts into him is dashed away in an instant. No fanservice.

No, that isn't right. And having Traynor or that chick from the Jersey Shore (or wherever) as a lesbian romance doesn't cut it. Just makes it crazy that time was wasted on developing characters for them when I wouldn't have minded having THANE as a Yeoman. I mean, what better way to keep Thane on board doing light duties than to have him as a secretary? And with Dr Chakwas or Dr Michel on board, he'd have all the necessary medical attention he needed.

We've come a long way since Baldur's Gate 2, when male characters got 3 romance options (and one broken) and female characters only got 1, and he wasn't even that great. Still, female fans of the genre were being thought of, at least, and it led to better romances in Neverwinter Nights, then Dragon Age: Origins (Squee), Mass Effect, 1 & 2, and even DA2.

I guess I just expected more female fanservice where Thane was concerned. I'm surprised that Thane didn't live. I thought he would because--in the past, at least--the fans, their opinions and wants were always important to Bioware and they met them where they could. Bioware is/was like the golden child of RPG storytelling, no matter what gender you were.

Now that I've finished my first ME3 playthrough and can come up for air, I realized how lucky I escaped the hammer that could've walloped Garrus on the head and ended him. Then again, Joker, Garrus, and Javik ended up deserted on an alien planet and I have -NO- idea how those three are going to populate it to get the secret ending... unless Javik has female parts we don't know about.

I digress, sorry. Anyway, Thane should've lived, ESPECIALLY if he had been romanced, end of story.

[Cosmochyck]

wildannie wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

@SilentK you're right, replay value has been destroyed. In DA2 the fate of Leandra and it being unavoidable to prevent Anders from doing what he did (some other mage could have done it) were one of my complaints against replay.
The unchangeable fates of Thane and Jacob do the same, and because I'm so angry that they have done this to their female fans with characters that could be central to their shepards emotional journey, I have no inclination play ME ever again... I was a sure thing for purchasing all DLC too.

Yeah, I've definitely fallen out with Bioware

This.

I remember reading something about the writer for Thane having changed for ME3. I wonder if the original writer knows how much Shepard's relationship with Thane was butchered..

I imagine he might have checked it out, even if he planned not to cure him I'm sure he's not impressed by the way it was handled.

I want added to the list of those up for a wristband

I bet he did too.  Drew Karpyshyn, one of the lead writers for ME1&2 has carefully commented on the endings and all the rage - he realy hasn't said much but has said he will address it at an upcoming appearance and on his blog.  He's being bombarded with questions on twitter daily. 

It must be hard to watch something you probably loved become such a mess.  Sort of like Thane!!  My poor Shep (if she hadn't been so poorly written herself) must have been wondering why he was so "different" - my Shep would have been all up in his face about the "come to terms with death thing":blink:

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 18 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[sunnie7699]

Qilune wrote...

I was introduced to the Mass Effect series by Thane. I bought ME2 because Thane was on the cover. I ended up a Garrus-girl, but still--Thane is really the reason I played Mass Effect at all. I couldn't believe the cheap death Thane was given, despite all the fan requests, including that "Save Thane" banner that Deviant Artists made and sent to the company.

So Thane died in my game. Total Sad-Panda, but as long as Garrus lived I was okay wit whatever ME3 threw at me. Anyway, I figured surely Thane lives if you romance him. *looks on wiki* Nope. Well, surely there's a fair bit of closure/decent romance action if you romance him. *looks at wiki* Nope. Umm... well.... Maybe "Thane Lives" DLC in the works? Nope. They're making Multiplayer DLC.

So Thane dies. Forever. All that care and concern a fan puts into him is dashed away in an instant. No fanservice.

No, that isn't right. And having Traynor or that chick from the Jersey Shore (or wherever) as a lesbian romance doesn't cut it. Just makes it crazy that time was wasted on developing characters for them when I wouldn't have minded having THANE as a Yeoman. I mean, what better way to keep Thane on board doing light duties than to have him as a secretary? And with Dr Chakwas or Dr Michel on board, he'd have all the necessary medical attention he needed.

We've come a long way since Baldur's Gate 2, when male characters got 3 romance options (and one broken) and female characters only got 1, and he wasn't even that great. Still, female fans of the genre were being thought of, at least, and it led to better romances in Neverwinter Nights, then Dragon Age: Origins (Squee), Mass Effect, 1 & 2, and even DA2.

I guess I just expected more female fanservice where Thane was concerned. I'm surprised that Thane didn't live. I thought he would because--in the past, at least--the fans, their opinions and wants were always important to Bioware and they met them where they could. Bioware is/was like the golden child of RPG storytelling, no matter what gender you were.

Now that I've finished my first ME3 playthrough and can come up for air, I realized how lucky I escaped the hammer that could've walloped Garrus on the head and ended him. Then again, Joker, Garrus, and Javik ended up deserted on an alien planet and I have -NO- idea how those three are going to populate it to get the secret ending... unless Javik has female parts we don't know about.

I digress, sorry. Anyway, Thane should've lived, ESPECIALLY if he had been romanced, end of story.

Oh god, in comparison to the DA:O female romance options and how they were handled, thane's romance in ME3 literally looks like a grand total of 5 seconds was spent on it. <_<

[sunnie7699]

Cosmochyck wrote...

wildannie wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

@SilentK you're right, replay value has been destroyed. In DA2 the fate of Leandra and it being unavoidable to prevent Anders from doing what he did (some other mage could have done it) were one of my complaints against replay.
The unchangeable fates of Thane and Jacob do the same, and because I'm so angry that they have done this to their female fans with characters that could be central to their shepards emotional journey, I have no inclination play ME ever again... I was a sure thing for purchasing all DLC too.

Yeah, I've definitely fallen out with Bioware

This.

I remember reading something about the writer for Thane having changed for ME3. I wonder if the original writer knows how much Shepard's relationship with Thane was butchered..

I imagine he might have checked it out, even if he planned not to cure him I'm sure he's not impressed by the way it was handled.

I want added to the list of those up for a wristband

I bet he did too.  Drew Karpyshyn, one of the lead writers for ME1&2 has carefully commented on the endings and all the rage - he realy hasn't said much but has said he will address it at an upcoming appearance and on his blog.  He's being bombarded with questions on twitter daily. 

It must be hard to watch something you probably loved become such a mess.  Sort of like Thane!!  My poor Shep (if she hadn't been so poorly written herself) must have been wondering why he was so "different" - my Shep would have been all up in his face about the "come to terms with death thing":blink:

Mine too! But really, if Shepard had romanced him, he shouldn't have come to terms with his death so suddenly because by the end of ME2, as was mentioned before, he WASN'T ok with his death because he had people he loved and didn't want to lose again. But no, the dialogue was exactly the same as if he wasn't romanced, he's totally cool with his death.. what <_<

Every other romance has plenty of 'I don't know what i'd do if i lost you' dialogue, but apparently because Thane was dying before, none of that sort of dialogue was necessary... it was just 'yeah im gonna die, let's move on, and possibly make out in the most uncomfortable way in public. I'm going to stay in this hospital and protect your old boyfriend now'

[Lucky Thirteen]

Thane's theme in ME2 was about enjoying life while you can. Not purposely putting yourself in harms way to off yourself because you are going to die soon anyways.

I've reflected a lot about this and reconsidered some things I formally thought when it comes to him in ME3.

I wanted to see him go down fighting, I like what they did with him in that aspect in the game, but there is something else that has always hung in the back of my mind. The fact at some point, he is not going to be able to fight and purposely continuing to fight while in his worsening condition is throwing his life away so he can die a certain way. It's not so much he would be a burden on Shepard, it's because joining Shepard would be doing exactly what he has learned to not do through ME2. Throw caution to the wind with his life when he has so much left to live for.

To me and from my understanding from the friendship path with Thane, the reason Thane is in the hospital is because of Kolyat. I imagine Kolyat probably told Thane at some point, "Dad, please stop. Don't kill yourself on me when we're just starting to know each other." That's why he's even in a hospital on the Citadel of all places, that is where Kolyat lives now.

I suspect, romance wise Shepard would be another reason he put himself in the hospital. Why would he want to die without seeing Shepard again?

With his health starting to hamper his skill, continuing to fight is throwing his life away more than settling in a hospital for treatment to prolong it a few months.

The problem is, these things are not explained at all. He is so reduced to let's watch him die cause it's emotionally engaging, he has very little character and story shown in ME3. It's become so morbidly, sickening the more I think about how focused on his death his story is in ME3.

You would think whoever wrote Thane in ME3 have never had a family member die from an illness before.

[spirosz]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Thane's theme in ME2 was about enjoying life while you can. Not purposely putting yourself in harms way to off yourself because you are going to die soon anyways.

I've reflected a lot about this and reconsidered some things I formally thought when it comes to him in ME3.

I wanted to see him go down fighting, I like what they did with him in that aspect in the game, but there is something else that has always hung in the back of my mind. The fact at some point, he is not going to be able to fight and purposely continuing to fight while in his worsening condition is throwing his life away so he can die a certain way. It's not so much he would be a burden on Shepard, it's because joining Shepard would be doing exactly what he has learned to not do through ME2. Throw caution to the wind with his life when he has so much left to live for.

To me and from my understanding from the friendship path with Thane, the reason Thane is in the hospital is because of Kolyat. I imagine Kolyat probably told Thane at some point, "Dad, please stop. Don't kill yourself on me when we're just starting to know each other." That's why he's even in a hospital on the Citadel of all places, that is where Kolyat lives now.

I suspect, romance wise Shepard would be another reason he put himself in the hospital. Why would he want to die without seeing Shepard again?

With his health starting to hamper his skill, continuing to fight is throwing his life away more than settling in a hospital for treatment to prolong it a few months.

The problem is, these things are not explained at all. He is so reduced to let's watch him die cause it's emotionally engaging, he has very little character and story shown in ME3. It's become so morbidly, sickening the more I think about how focused on his death his story is in ME3.

You would think whoever wrote Thane in ME3 have never had a family member die from an illness before.

I like that, but as you stated nothing is explained, which happens for a quite few LI's - Jacob, even Jack (if you ever read our thread, we've basically stated that her relationship is focused more on the physical aspect, rather than the emotional aspect (it's only been 6 months and we don't have any context on their relationship and if they've become more comfortable with each other or not, etc).

[EvanesceKunoichi]

mnomaha wrote...

EvanesceKunoichi wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

EvanesceKunoichi wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

It would help if the facebook page had a larger following, but I can't really complain at 157 likes. Well, I can, but still...

Actually, how did you put the link in your sig??

You got most of it. I use the link button in the tool bar. The BBC codes don't always work for me.

Yeah I don't think the code is working for me either. I will try using the link button in the tool bar then. XD

use the link button the workd with the paperclip thingie and paste the link in there. that *should* work

Thanks it worked!