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[Babi_Siha]

Cosmochyck wrote...

We agree!!

Check my sig for the united ME2 LI thread, and our facebook group!

I still think we should have at least had a choice to save him.  Yeesh.  It's a game based on choice.  Or it used to be. 

Thanks, I already liked the FB page. Not much BW can do for Thane, but hopefully they'll fix this for others LI.

[Niellepuffs]

Adding my voice of protest. Although I'm pretty sure whatever I have to say has already been said, I'll say it again.

I suppose I can understand the focus of the story moving back to the action and away from the sheer depth of character that ME2 unfolded for us so beautifully. But still, while I thought Thane's ending was good for my non-LI, even without the love facet, I wondered why he was yanked out of the story so early and so completely. Not even a mention of him afterwards.

The only reason I play ME at all is because of the characters. I hate science fiction in general because of its focus on place and plot over character, but the ME IP managed to put the focus where my interest is -- on the characters. Thankfully, I love my Shepard, or based on ME3s treatment of most of its characters, I'd be a bit distraught. The ones who did get a lot of story time -- Joker/EDI, Garrus, etc. -- did make me happy, and the DLC characters were not meant to be involved much. But most of the LIs, especially for femshep, were just dismissed in the favor of getting to the end (that ending).

But with my second Shepard, Thane was an irresistible LI. The fact that he was created for the precise purpose of being an LI was clear. And ME3 just seems to ignore that. It was brutally heartbreaking. Not even that he died, because the way he died was probably the best way he could possibly go out. If anything, giving him the Hanar cure/transplant (that the detractors seem to forget were actually part of the game canon), and then having him die in combat would have been more poignant, especially if there had been more interaction throughout the game.

But no. Thane's story was over within the first 1/4 of the game and IGN's best character of the year was put on the shelf before the epic journey had really begun picking up speed.

I don't mind that he died. I mind how little of any story at all there is. Especially as a LI. I mind for Jacob, too, but it's Thane who has always had fans' hearts. And the fact that Bioware kept in Garrus and Tali because of the fans, but left Thane in the trash heap even with everything his fans have done... Even people who don't give a crap about LIs liked Thane.

I don't want some cheap fix fairy wand sparkles, but I would like to get the story I thought I was paying for, a story that expands on ME2, not one that shortcuts its way directly to denouement, and not this philosophical mumbojumbo. ME3, and its treatment of Thane, are pretty exemplary of the reasons I hate scifi. Character development was almost entirely sacrificed (even for Shepard re: the ending) for the sake of an overly simplistic plot based on a 'what if' question that isn't even relevant or interesting. I don't care even slightly about the 'what if'. I only care about the people you created for me and their stories. And I didn't get them.

I am disappoint. This is my protest wall-o-text.

Modifié par Niellepuffs, 20 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[Julia_xo]

Niellepuffs wrote...

Adding my voice of protest. Although I'm pretty sure whatever I have to say has already been said, I'll say it again.

I suppose I can understand the focus of the story moving back to the action and away from the sheer depth of character that ME2 unfolded for us so beautifully. But still, while I thought Thane's ending was good for my non-LI, even without the love facet, I wondered why he was yanked out of the story so early and so completely. Not even a mention of him afterwards.

The only reason I play ME at all is because of the characters. I hate science fiction in general because of its focus on place and plot over character, but the ME IP managed to put the focus where my interest is -- on the characters. Thankfully, I love my Shepard, or based on ME3s treatment of most of its characters, I'd be a bit distraught. The ones who did get a lot of story time -- Joker/EDI, Garrus, etc. -- did make me happy, and the DLC characters were not meant to be involved much. But most of the LIs, especially for femshep, were just dismissed in the favor of getting to the end (that ending).

But with my second Shepard, Thane was an irresistible LI. The fact that he was created for the precise purpose of being an LI was clear. And ME3 just seems to ignore that. It was brutally heartbreaking. Not even that he died, because the way he died was probably the best way he could possibly go out. If anything, giving him the Hanar cure/transplant (that the detractors seem to forget were actually part of the game canon), and then having him die in combat would have been more poignant, especially if there had been more interaction throughout the game.

But no. Thane's story was over within the first 1/4 of the game and IGN's best character of the year was put on the shelf before the epic journey had really begun picking up speed.

I don't mind that he died. I mind how little of any story at all there is. Especially as a LI. I mind for Jacob, too, but it's Thane who has always had fans' hearts. And the fact that Bioware kept in Garrus and Tali because of the fans, but left Thane in the trash heap even with everything his fans have done... Even people who don't give a crap about LIs liked Thane.

I don't want some cheap fix fairy wand sparkles, but I would like to get the story I thought I was paying for, a story that expands on ME2, not one that shortcuts its way directly to denouement, and not this philosophical mumbojumbo. ME3, and its treatment of Thane, are pretty exemplary of the reasons I hate scifi. Character development was almost entirely sacrificed (even for Shepard re: the ending) for the sake of an overly simplistic plot based on a 'what if' question that isn't even relevant or interesting. I don't care even slightly about the 'what if'. I only care about the people you created for me and their stories. And I didn't get them.

I am disappoint. This is my protest wall-o-text.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! A lot of us feel the same way. I just don't understand why some people
refuse to see our side. Or why people refuse to acknowledge that there were hints in ME2+DLC that pointed to the fact that Thane didn't need to die. People say he was destined to die like it was a foregone conclusion but I heard his ME2 writer (Chris L'Etoile) didn't have a plan for what would happen to Thane in ME3. So his fate was basically up in the air after Chris left. The writers taking over could have gone either way. The lung transplant could have been a letgitimate option to keep him alive.

All of it was discarded though. We were robbed of our choice. The Devs decided to force his death on us but they didn't even bother to consider the fact that he's a Love Interest. They also didn't bother to treat his death with the care or attention Miranda's (optional) death was given. Why? It makes no sense.

I am just so saddened by all of this. D:

[RShara]

Wheee got into a heated debate on that one. I keep explaining and explaining and explaining, as do the rest of us. No one ever listens *sigh*

[lyssalu]

RShara wrote...

Wheee got into a heated debate on that one. I keep explaining and explaining and explaining, as do the rest of us. No one ever listens *sigh*

smh some people

[JECW]

RShara wrote...

Wheee got into a heated debate on that one. I keep explaining and explaining and explaining, as do the rest of us. No one ever listens *sigh*

No they don't.
I don't get why they can just look past Shepard being dead, Mordin being able to cure the genophage.
These same people would probably have no problem if all of a sudden bioware allowed Tali and Garrus to have children with Shepard, but they would be the first ones to argue why Thane doesn't deserve a cure.

[Hadeedak]

Whether you're all for the cure, can work it either way, or think tragedy is the way to go (I consider myself the middle camp most times, being dull), it's obvious Thane's romance, and hell, his FRIENDSHIP, needed some more love. No one on your team noticing Thane died was bizarre, and it's remarkable that no one caught this before it shipped. I still choose to assume Garrus's wall talk was about Thane instead of your Virmire'd friend, but this should be fixed. Somehow. Not quite sure how.

Edit: And for the record, while my mainShep is a Garrus girl, my other favorite is Thane. And I would FLIP A TABLE or NINE TABLES if anyone offered me the choice to make freaky alien babies in my Sheps' epilogues. No. Nononononono. No.

Also, Esperanza is dead having chosen control. And Robin is going to fail at suicide with destroy after losing Thane (after losing Kaidan). I am an evil goddess.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 20 mars 2012 - 04:35 .

[lyssalu]

it sucks that liara mentions thane in lotsb, but has nothing to say about him in me3. i mean, he was just totally forgotten about by the writers! it's so absurd.

Modifié par lyssalu, 20 mars 2012 - 04:34 .

[JECW]

lyssalu wrote...

it sucks that liara mentions thane in lotsb, but has nothing to say about him in me3. i mean, he was just totally forgotten about by the writers! it's so absurd.

I would have at least expected Garrus, Tali, Joker or EDI to say something. They all knew  him, but said nothing.

[RShara]

You know, I just realized something,

Thane's dying argument is the exact same argument being carried out in larger form about the endings.

It's not JUST because he died (though we would prefer a CHOICE), it's that his death epilogue is completely underwhelming. Also the total reversal of previously established themes.

[Julia_xo]

JECW wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

it sucks that
liara mentions thane in lotsb, but has nothing to say about him in me3.
i mean, he was just totally forgotten about by the writers! it's so
absurd.

I would have at least expected Garrus, Tali, Joker or EDI to say something. They all knew  him, but said nothing.

Or Dr. Chakwas! She was his doctor, for a time. She's the one who wrote his medical report. D:

RShara wrote...

You know, I just realized something,

Thane's dying argument is the exact same argument being carried out in larger form about the endings.

It's not JUST because he died (though we would prefer a CHOICE), it's that his death epilogue is completely underwhelming. Also the total reversal of previously established themes.

Pretty much.

[lyssalu]

RShara wrote...

You know, I just realized something,

Thane's dying argument is the exact same argument being carried out in larger form about the endings.

It's not JUST because he died (though we would prefer a CHOICE), it's that his death epilogue is completely underwhelming. Also the total reversal of previously established themes.

it just

****ing tickles me

how immediately after thane dies in a hospital bed, you get sent a letter from him talking about how much he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

THANKS A LOT BIOWARE

THAT WAS REALLY COOL OF YOU

[JECW]

lyssalu wrote...

RShara wrote...

You know, I just realized something,

Thane's dying argument is the exact same argument being carried out in larger form about the endings.

It's not JUST because he died (though we would prefer a CHOICE), it's that his death epilogue is completely underwhelming. Also the total reversal of previously established themes.

it just

****ing tickles me

how immediately after thane dies in a hospital bed, you get sent a letter from him talking about how much he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

THANKS A LOT BIOWARE

THAT WAS REALLY COOL OF YOU

I guess they forgot all of that too.

[RShara]

*pounds head on desk*

[mnomaha]

....is that even in English. Because if it is...it's really bad English.

[JECW]

Here you are again in another Thane thread making no sense. If you don't like what we have to say then don't come back.

[Julia_xo]

lyssalu wrote...

RShara wrote...

You know, I just realized something,

Thane's dying argument is the exact same argument being carried out in larger form about the endings.

It's not JUST because he died (though we would prefer a CHOICE), it's that his death epilogue is completely underwhelming. Also the total reversal of previously established themes.

it just

****ing tickles me

how immediately after thane dies in a hospital bed, you get sent a letter from him talking about how much he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

THANKS A LOT BIOWARE

THAT WAS REALLY COOL OF YOU

Exactly.

The letter also says: The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am.

He did an admirable job of that staring out his window in the hospital, amirite? And when Shep is like, "Hey Thane come back to the Normandy!" He responds, "No Shepard. I'm not at my best. I've accepted my fate and I'm happy here wasting away in this hospital. Go face the Reapers without my support. We always knew it would end, etc.

Another example of ME3's beautiful, flawless writing. /sarcasm

Modifié par Julia_xo, 20 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[lyssalu]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Thane were cool, we all knew it was coming he was a expendable character also. He's died a hero though, the scene were sad. If miss him go play Mass Effect 2!!

they are all expendable characters.

[lyssalu]

Julia_xo wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

RShara wrote...

You know, I just realized something,

Thane's dying argument is the exact same argument being carried out in larger form about the endings.

It's not JUST because he died (though we would prefer a CHOICE), it's that his death epilogue is completely underwhelming. Also the total reversal of previously established themes.

it just

****ing tickles me

how immediately after thane dies in a hospital bed, you get sent a letter from him talking about how much he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

THANKS A LOT BIOWARE

THAT WAS REALLY COOL OF YOU

Exactly.

The letter also says: The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am.

He did an admirable job of that staring out his window in the hospital, amirite? And when Shep is like, "Hey Thane come back to the Normandy!" He responds, "No Shepard. I'm not at my best. I've accepted my fate and I'm happy here wasting away in this hospital. Go face the Reapers without my support. We always knew it would end, etc.

Another example of ME3's beautiful, flawless writing. /sarcasm

that bothered the hell out of me too!  thane gave every indication that he'd fight for shepard for "as long as [he] was able" and that he'd die at her side, but nerp, relegated to a hospital chair to stare at a window repeating the same dialog over and over until that stupid coup happens.

that coup was totally contradictory to what they'd made him say in the hospital, anyhow -- "no i can't help you i'm not fit enough", and yet he takes on some assassin last second?  yeah, ok.

it can be argued that it was special circumstance, but really, i think stopping the reapers is a pretty ****ing special circumstance, as well.

bioware is so bad at writing omg

[sunnie7699]

lyssalu wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

RShara wrote...

You know, I just realized something,

Thane's dying argument is the exact same argument being carried out in larger form about the endings.

It's not JUST because he died (though we would prefer a CHOICE), it's that his death epilogue is completely underwhelming. Also the total reversal of previously established themes.

it just

****ing tickles me

how immediately after thane dies in a hospital bed, you get sent a letter from him talking about how much he didn't want to die in a hospital bed.

THANKS A LOT BIOWARE

THAT WAS REALLY COOL OF YOU

Exactly.

The letter also says: The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am.

He did an admirable job of that staring out his window in the hospital, amirite? And when Shep is like, "Hey Thane come back to the Normandy!" He responds, "No Shepard. I'm not at my best. I've accepted my fate and I'm happy here wasting away in this hospital. Go face the Reapers without my support. We always knew it would end, etc.

Another example of ME3's beautiful, flawless writing. /sarcasm

that bothered the hell out of me too!  thane gave every indication that he'd fight for shepard for "as long as [he] was able" and that he'd die at her side, but nerp, relegated to a hospital chair to stare at a window repeating the same dialog over and over until that stupid coup happens.

that coup was totally contradictory to what they'd made him say in the hospital, anyhow -- "no i can't help you i'm not fit enough", and yet he takes on some assassin last second?  yeah, ok.

it can be argued that it was special circumstance, but really, i think stopping the reapers is a pretty ****ing special circumstance, as well.

bioware is so bad at writing omg

The thing is that bioware is actually quite good at writing, which is why I loved them so much. I absolutely loved ME1, ME2, DA:O and kotor specifically for that reason - they knew how to tell a story and how to write characters to go along with it. They just seemed to have put very little effort into writing thane for ME3, and they even admitted that they 'dropped the ball' with Thane's character this time round.

[JECW]

lyssalu wrote...

that bothered the hell out of me too!  thane gave every indication that he'd fight for shepard for "as long as [he] was able" and that he'd die at her side, but nerp, relegated to a hospital chair to stare at a window repeating the same dialog over and over until that stupid coup happens.

that coup was totally contradictory to what they'd made him say in the hospital, anyhow -- "no i can't help you i'm not fit enough", and yet he takes on some assassin last second?  yeah, ok.

it can be argued that it was special circumstance, but really, i think stopping the reapers is a pretty ****ing special circumstance, as well.

bioware is so bad at writing omg

It was a contradiction like everything else bioware wrote for him. They have him say he can't help you one minute and the next he's running around the citadel trying to get to you. Then he appears out of nowhere and fights Kai Leng. After he's stabbed he still manages to chase after him, but they won't let him help you even for a little while. 

[mnomaha]

Writers? Like bw writers? I only know a few names and well, I would get banned if I used my nicknames for them.

And Squee...love your siggie! It's in...German? I think you said you speak German. LOL It's been a long day.