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[braxy29]

JECW wrote...
They should be more concerned about the fans than critics.
I doubt those critics did any of the romances. They just played the game. I doubt they have any attachment to the characters, and that includes Shepard.
We paid for that game. I doubt the critics did.
We are keeping them in business not the critics. Critics aren't even the reason I bought ME1,2 or 3.

true.  the people who write reviews for game informer or whatever are given probably dozens of games a year, and their job is to grind through them as quickly as possible so they can give an overview of things like mechanics, frame-rate, time required to completion, satisfying mp, etc.  i'm not saying they don't love games, but i don't necessarily buy it when their reviewer gives it 10 of 10.  i doubt the reviewers had TIME to invest in one game the way some of the fans have.  in all honestly, i haven't played another game in about 5 or 6 months now, because all my time has been spent on me2/3 and me fanfic since then.  i have an interest in this that some critic who has to get through a new game next week probably doesn't have, and i agree that your average critic didn't give much thought to the romance aspect.

so is bioware building games for critics or for gamers?  honestly, they want critics happy, because happy critics move more product into the hands of consumers.  after that they want their largest demographic happy, which amounts to strait males.  what they don't remember is that not only do i buy my games, but i buy all my kids' games, and they stand to lose a good bit of money if i choose not to invest in their products in the future.

[mnomaha]

There's also the fact that Thane, for me, was a mature romance. I wasn't looking for some cougar-candy. I found what I wanted and needed in Thane. It wasn't the friend-romance that Garrus gave (and I do love Garrus), because that one felt more like friends with benefits. I never romanced Jacob because, now that I think about it, FemShep's rabid hormones made it sound like 70's porn. I did not want to romance a female. That's why I have a ManShep.

So really, Thane was perfect if you wanted a deep, mature romance. Isn't that why the created him in the first place?

[blueshepard]

@braxy: I totally agree....

I have to say that this LI missing just concerns me more than all this ending discussion thing. I mean they have a lot "black holes" left there for us, but at least the best ending is a positive one, since it was the most important for me that she wasn't dying at all. I never loved a main character more than her ever. And exactly for me thats the point: I get what I wanted, Shep is alive (with a lot of question marks on her head - but I am quite sure they will help us understand these.... Just a few hints from them and I can guess whats happening in my personal ending). So well I really wished something more positive in the end, hell yes I wished a "clearer" ending, but I get her alive ;; But what now? She really loves this guy. The deepest romance of all characters in Mass Effect 2. For me of all games. Lot of people here explained it just so great in their words. And now? She returns to battlesleep for me. I got what I wanted in the end, that damn one breath for the knowledge the closest from my squad mates isn't there to care for me. Missions done, at least a lot of destruction took place, a lot of people died for the greater good, but if you just let me guess of this happy ending interpretation of mine I am the freaking hero of the galaxy and have to go on all alone. They took away my soulmate. Of course Femshep has done this for the greater good. But at least everyone has a personal motivation for such big things. ME1 was the introduction for me, I just came in something just doing my job without knowing how freaking big this all will get. In ME2 there is so much to do, so much questions about Cerberus about the why am I still alive. You have this very clear mission this task you have to solve, always a goal in front of your eyes. And here I get the personal motivation, falling in love etc. In ME3 I turn from these clearly defined mission into something like: save the whole galaxy, reapers are here. I ask myself ahy should I get the job done? Just to end it? For planets, people I don't know, politicians? Of course yes, I am a hero and the only one who can do this. But personal just for me? To get my loved ones a future. Perhaps it isn't that straight anyway and of course Shep would have done it without Thane or some personal motivation because she is like she is. But I think a little bit selfishness is quite normal isn't it?

Ever thought about the sentence "Be alive with me tonight"? Thats the thing. Being alive. Together. So hell why should Femshep breath in the end if there aren't these puppy black eyes waiting for her? Because the whole galaxy couldn't be as important to you as your real love and soulmate. I ended the task and have done the greatest thing ever. Now I need a motivation to go on. Mine died, Kai Leng took my future away. That one breath doesn't mean the same anymore.

Sry for the creepy english again -.- Here are just that great discussions and I hate myself for being no native speaker... To express feelings is just difficult ~.~

[EvanesceKunoichi]

mnomaha wrote...

There's also the fact that Thane, for me, was a mature romance. I wasn't looking for some cougar-candy. I found what I wanted and needed in Thane. It wasn't the friend-romance that Garrus gave (and I do love Garrus), because that one felt more like friends with benefits. I never romanced Jacob because, now that I think about it, FemShep's rabid hormones made it sound like 70's porn. I did not want to romance a female. That's why I have a ManShep.

So really, Thane was perfect if you wanted a deep, mature romance. Isn't that why the created him in the first place?

That is exactly how I felt about it. With Thane it seemed to be more about love rather then a fling. 

Modifié par EvanesceKunoichi, 21 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[braxy29]

mnomaha wrote...

There's also the fact that Thane, for me, was a mature romance. I wasn't looking for some cougar-candy. I found what I wanted and needed in Thane. It wasn't the friend-romance that Garrus gave (and I do love Garrus), because that one felt more like friends with benefits. I never romanced Jacob because, now that I think about it, FemShep's rabid hormones made it sound like 70's porn. I did not want to romance a female. That's why I have a ManShep.

So really, Thane was perfect if you wanted a deep, mature romance. Isn't that why the created him in the first place?

i love this.  that is a perfect description.  

[coldwetn0se]

mnomaha wrote...

There's also the fact that Thane, for me, was a mature romance. I wasn't looking for some cougar-candy. I found what I wanted and needed in Thane. It wasn't the friend-romance that Garrus gave (and I do love Garrus), because that one felt more like friends with benefits. I never romanced Jacob because, now that I think about it, FemShep's rabid hormones made it sound like 70's porn. I did not want to romance a female. That's why I have a ManShep.

So really, Thane was perfect if you wanted a deep, mature romance. Isn't that why the created him in the first place?

Thane was intriguing from the first time he dropped out of the ceiling (and I didn't even know at the time he was romancable).  But talking to him....boy howdy, he was right up my alley!!  Even when he put me in my place, I didn't find a man who was going to kiss my butt, nor was he simply a contrarian.  He had reason and purpose in the things he discussed.  So more grown up....yes.  Most definately!

I love Garrus, but like you, he was a buddy.  I actually think buddies can work really well in RL relationships, but in RP games, I want varied choices.  The buddy, the broody, the manly, the intellegent/soulful (hello Thane).  I want all of these varieties represented.  More chances of someone finding something they like.

As for Jacob.....I've said before....actually liked the guy, but the f!Sheps dialogue......Hell to the NO!!  Real shame.

BTW- Why did Thane have to get the ***tstorm of a background (manservant assassin since the age of 6, lost his wife,  estranged from his son.....and oh yeah, have a terminal illness!!!)??  Why couldn't he just have Daddy issues like everyone else.....or at the very least, leave the space cancer outta it!!

[braxy29]

yamainu1984 wrote...
...Of course yes, I am a hero and the only one who can do this. But personal just for me? To get my loved ones a future. Perhaps it isn't that straight anyway and of course Shep would have done it without Thane or some personal motivation because she is like she is. But I think a little bit selfishness is quite normal isn't it? 

Ever thought about the sentence "Be alive with me tonight"? Thats the thing. Being alive. Together. So hell why should Femshep breath in the end if there aren't these puppy black eyes waiting for her? Because the whole galaxy couldn't be as important to you as your real love and soulmate. I ended the task and have done the greatest thing ever. Now I need a motivation to go on. Mine died, Kai Leng took my future away. That one breath doesn't mean the same anymore.

Sry for the creepy english again -.- Here are just that great discussions and I hate myself for being no native speaker... To express feelings is just difficult ~.~

no, that was wonderful, and i think a lot of us felt that way.  no worries about your english, i understand what you are saying very well.  me3 just felt so much less personal without thane, or even a satisfying "i love you" to him.  i agree shep would have continued on, even renegade shep, but i expect she would feel rather empty on some level as we all do about the game.  even if we could see that despair, as we saw thane despair in me2, that would have been better than robo-shep who doesn't seem to care what she's lost in her battle.

[coldwetn0se]

@yamainu1984 - You expressed yourself beautifully. I can barely spell most of the time (ya think I'm kidding with PDS's grammar...HA!), and I AM a native English speaker. So know worries, and well said!

Cake?

[stysiaq]

a common opinion about Thane is that he was 'overwritten', in other words, the writers tried too much.
Maybe that's why in ME3 writers 'forgot' about him being a LI.

For me his romance was the only deep one, and I loved it, my previous post 3 pages ago proves it I guess. Being unable to finish this romance properly just strips ME from important choices further, as if the endings weren't enough.

[mnomaha]

Mr Muzyka said "concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story".

Apparently I played a different game.

[disc0nnect7]

mnomaha wrote...

Mr Muzyka said "concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story".

Apparently I played a different game.

Also he stated that is the "best game Bioware has yet crafted". I just...no words.  

What I got from that article is:the critics love our game, we have lots of great reviews, Y U NO LIKE IT?!

[mnomaha]

disc0nnect7 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Mr Muzyka said "concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story".

Apparently I played a different game.

Also he stated that is the "best game Bioware has yet crafted". I just...no words.  

What I got from that article is:the critics *we paid* love our game, we have lots of great reviews, Y U NO LIKE IT?!

Fixed it.

[disc0nnect7]

mnomaha wrote...

disc0nnect7 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Mr Muzyka said "concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story".

Apparently I played a different game.

Also he stated that is the "best game Bioware has yet crafted". I just...no words.  

What I got from that article is:the critics *we paid* love our game, we have lots of great reviews, Y U NO LIKE IT?!

Fixed it.

I'd love to see some reviews that don't gush about how perfect the game is. I want to hear something real. If a good majority of the fanbase aren't happy with the game a good majority of critics should have something they didn't like about it.

[mnomaha]

Forbes did one. Then there's Angry Joe. Loved his!

[braxy29]

will have to look up the forbes review.

so, does anyone want to speculate? are the majority of the fans happy with me3 or not? it seems like most thane romance fans are extremely disappointed, and that really colored the experience for many of us. but when i go look at merizan's twitter, i see a lot of people gushing to her.

[Cyansomnia]

mnomaha wrote...

There's also the fact that Thane, for me, was a mature romance. I wasn't looking for some cougar-candy. I found what I wanted and needed in Thane. It wasn't the friend-romance that Garrus gave (and I do love Garrus), because that one felt more like friends with benefits. I never romanced Jacob because, now that I think about it, FemShep's rabid hormones made it sound like 70's porn. I did not want to romance a female. That's why I have a ManShep.

So really, Thane was perfect if you wanted a deep, mature romance. Isn't that why the created him in the first place?

This is exactly how I feel.  Thane captured my attention with his calm intelligence, spirituality, mystique and surprising kindness.  I seriously couldn't get enough of talking with him.  Every time I finished a mission in Mass Effect 2, I would always run to Life Support, eager to see if he'd slip into a memory or initiate another deep conversation with my Shepard.

I always felt this heavy tension anytime my Shepard talked to him.  A sort of innate but unspoken attraction between them, especially on Thane's end.  The writer built up his conversations and romance so well, it instantly became my favorite throughout the entire series.

I was hoping for so much more in Mass Effect 3.  So much more of THIS.  Sadly, I was heavily disappointed.

[mnomaha]

*sigh* Yeah, apparently bw decided to go with a dumbed down, angsty high school demographic for this one. Except for the graphics, even a preschooler would notice the crappy graphics.

I wanna hold your hand...from all the way up here. derp.

[utaker1988]

braxy29 wrote...

will have to look up the forbes review.

so, does anyone want to speculate? are the majority of the fans happy with me3 or not? it seems like most thane romance fans are extremely disappointed, and that really colored the experience for many of us. but when i go look at merizan's twitter, i see a lot of people gushing to her.

I don't know if happy is the word I'd use more like disappointed.  Not just with the romance aspect but the endings (oh they make me want to cry).  I never went and gushed to anyone at BioWare because it's not in my nature to swallow a crap pie, smile and say, "yes, that was good."  Some do just to well, suck up.  Let's just say for giggles that the Thane romance was good and he did indeed live until the end.  Now we'd have the same issue that everyone else has.  WTF, all this and Shepard dies????  Or Shep takes that breath and we assume she is still alive, ok.  That's great but I don't think I'd be happy IF Thane was still on the Citadel recovering (ugh, all that to save him and we just blew him up).  Or what if he were on Kahje, great, I'm stuck on Earth having to rely on FTL to get me all the way there, providing I didn't run out of fuel first..oh wait, nevermind...Joker took off with the Normandy!    I guess I'd have to go make nice with whatever Quarian still had a ship left, they have been traveling the skies for centuries and savaging for stuff, I'm sure they could get me there.

[Aeyl]

braxy29 wrote...

will have to look up the forbes review.

so, does anyone want to speculate? are the majority of the fans happy with me3 or not? it seems like most thane romance fans are extremely disappointed, and that really colored the experience for many of us. but when i go look at merizan's twitter, i see a lot of people gushing to her.

The majority are disappointed because of the ending. I use singular purposely.

I think (and I'm sure most other people do too) that a lot of the game was done brilliantly. But the treatment of Thane and the ending were both horrible enough that I'm unable to appreciate it by playing again right now

[braxy29]

i don't know why i didn't think to check amazon and metacritic. just glancing at the numbers right now, it looks like, depending on platform you either get a extreme saddle curve (love it or hate it), to heavily skewed toward negative. oddly enough, ps3 gamers seem to like it better than xbox and pc gamers? this really surprises me, given all the glitchiness i experienced on ps3, and i've heard it is less of a problem on xbox/pc. of course, in contrast to user reviews, critic reviews on metacritic boil down to near-universal acclaim.

[Emeraldfern]

I just posted this in the Thane thread but hey, more attention can't hurt methinks:

And now the @Mass Effect twitter is getting ideas for DLC stuff with tweets like:

Somebody: @Mass Effect More feedback, but this more for future DLC. I would like to know more about Haestrom and the geth/reaper interest in that.

@Mass Effect: Sounds like a great idea, thanks!

and...

Somebody else: @Mass Effect Just finished reading Mass Effect: Invasion series; loved them. A DLC to retake Omega w/ Aria in continuation would be awesome.

MassEffect: Great suggestion! Will pass it on to the devs, thanks

I just tweeted: Another DLC idea: Cure Thane!

[braxy29]

i like "mission to kahje for cure, with thane or kolyat as squad mate." probably won't tweet it though, don't like tweeting.

love the aria idea, btw.

[mnomaha]

So...how rude is it to hijack a tweet?

[RShara]

I don't understand Twitter at all, or else I'd do it!

C'mon you fans, get to tweeting!

[Xeyska]

RShara wrote...

I don't understand Twitter at all, or else I'd do it!

C'mon you fans, get to tweeting!

I send tweets all the time, they never reply back.

Modifié par Xeyska, 22 mars 2012 - 01:20 .