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[Moira-chan]

mnomaha wrote...

There's also the fact that Thane, for me, was a mature romance. I wasn't looking for some cougar-candy. I found what I wanted and needed in Thane. It wasn't the friend-romance that Garrus gave (and I do love Garrus), because that one felt more like friends with benefits. I never romanced Jacob because, now that I think about it, FemShep's rabid hormones made it sound like 70's porn. I did not want to romance a female. That's why I have a ManShep.

So really, Thane was perfect if you wanted a deep, mature romance. Isn't that why the created him in the first place?

i agree with you... when i started the romance with thane the first time..for me it was kinda...not so sugar love like kaidan, not so friendship as with garrus (and i love his romance but in another way), but thanes goes into deep, becaue both of the sufferd in their life...both know the hurt of love and not just the positiv sites. i always got the impression, that for my shep, thane was kind of a...don't know a word for it...a place of quietness...somebody, that she can talk to...about her fears her doubts all of it. he would listen and understand her.
he is not like garrus, making brave like sayings things: you will handle this, you were born for this...
instead the talks with thane goes in a really deep area of the soul and that was, what impressed me so much about him.

Modifié par Moira-chan, 22 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[mythlover20]

Moira-chan wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

There's also the fact that Thane, for me, was a mature romance. I wasn't looking for some cougar-candy. I found what I wanted and needed in Thane. It wasn't the friend-romance that Garrus gave (and I do love Garrus), because that one felt more like friends with benefits. I never romanced Jacob because, now that I think about it, FemShep's rabid hormones made it sound like 70's porn. I did not want to romance a female. That's why I have a ManShep.

So really, Thane was perfect if you wanted a deep, mature romance. Isn't that why the created him in the first place?

i agree with you... when i started the romance with thane the first time..for me it was kinda...not so sugar love like kaidan, not so friendship as with garrus (and i love his romance but in another way), but thanes goes into deep, becaue both of the sufferd in their life...both know the hurt of love and not just the positiv sites. i always got the impression, that for my shep, thane was kind of a...don't know a word for it...a place of quietness...somebody, that she can talk to...about her fears her doubts all of it. i would listen and understand her.
he is not like garrus, making brave like sayings things: you will handle this, you were born for this...
instead the talks with thane goes in a really deep area of the soul and that was, what impressed me so much about him.

This has always been how I felt. He was a deep and thoughtful character, one who seemed to instinctivelly know that Shepard was suffering under the strains of command, that she had suffered at the hands of those she loved, and knowing similar suffering sort to help in his own way.

I don't know, I can not eloquently express how connected I felt to this character. most of you have been able to do so far better than I.

[Moira-chan]

it's amazing how bioware let get this impression after just a few talks with him...i think it was about 5 or something like that...but you really get the impression of savetiness...
a point of return and calming down for shepard. i also wished for me3 that when you visit him, that you can talk with him about the salarians, krogans and turians, all the things that are going on. thane would have understand and would find the right words for shep. he always does...
thane was something special. his empathy was brillant and he touches me like shepard... just he always give you the feeling of making everythin right, just with one amazing word.
"siha"

Modifié par Moira-chan, 22 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[LucyMaire]

Yeah and seeing him dead there seemed like such a waste. It was like he was such a great character and they had spent so much time designing him, just to have him die in an incredibly impersonal way (if you romanced him).
I had a dream last night that masseffect answered my tweet and said "Right on!!" so I woke up and was extremely excited. Then went to check twitter...and there was nothing.

[braxy29]

Moira-chan wrote...
it's amazing how bioware let get this impression after just a few talks with him...i think it was about 5 or something like that...but you really get the impression of savetiness...
a point of return and calming down for shepard. i also wished for me3 that when you visit him, that you can talk with him about the salarians, krogans and turians, all the things that are going on. thane would have understand and would find the right words for shep. he always does...
thane was something special. his empathy was brillant and he touches me like shepard... just he always give you the feeling of making everythin right, just with one amazing word.
"siha"

i think that is part of why mussimm's "The ThirtySix Stratagems of Wang Jingze" on fanficnet is basically canon for me.  not only does does everyone survive and the reapers are defeated in that fic, but thane is shep's advisor and support.  he totally picks up on kaiden failing her, and says something like, "then why isn't he here?" and shep just cries in his arms.  later, when she tries to figure out how to handle things, he always has insightful counsel for her.

yep, i think that is my me3 now.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6591642/1/   

Modifié par braxy29, 22 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[Moira-chan]

yeah i was starting my own romance too after me3^^
because horizon and the thing with kaidan must have been hurtfull.
hopefully i can read it, englisch is not my mother tongue, but i will try, for thane :love:

[braxy29]

you speak german, moira-chan? don't worry, it is a very good story but i don't think it will be too difficult if your english is good enough for you to communicate here.

[utaker1988]

mnomaha wrote...


@utaker...Remind me again how that works. It's been ages since I played ME2 with that thing.

Is there a difference between gibbing on PC and Xbox?  Because I go the xbox route for ME2 (mostly) only because...have you seen Thane on 62" of HD goodness...and surround sound.... But anyway, I have to extract the file with Modio, then open it in Gibbed, Plot tab, Henchmen, and I check Thane:  acquired, is revealed, and is selectable.

[braxy29]

utaker1988 wrote...
Thane:  acquired, is revealed, and is selectable.

why does this phrase excite me so?  

[utaker1988]

braxy29 wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...
Thane:  acquired, is revealed, and is selectable.

why does this phrase excite me so?  

I chuckled too while typing it, more at the "is revealed".  Amonkira reveals them!  What she is revealing will remain buried in my mind though.  Keeps me happy.

[braxy29]

i'm just going to move my comment to the other thread, so...

nevermind.

Modifié par braxy29, 22 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

he was on his last legs anyway though. i think it kinda fit in a way though i understand where u guys r coming from. it wouldve been nice if u spent more time together if u romanced him and when he died i was a little dissapointed. not a single tear? really shepard? and i would expect a very angery shepard scene in the normandy afterwards. same if any LI had died

[RShara]

Thanks M2S Solid. I respectfully disagree about the last legs, but I appreciate that you understand that we would really at the very least like to have him mentioned every so often.

[Hisilome]

Yes, indeed; having him mentioned now and then, discuss him with other squad members-Garrus gave my Shepard a lovely conversation regarding Mordin a few hours ago, when I was playing-perhaps a photo of him turning up somewhere in Shepard's cabin? Some emotion from Shepard herself, maybe;a choice to save him, if it can be done-and only mentioning that because of all the hints and nudges we got in ME2 that he could be saved-a choice to spend some more time with him, if he can't be saved after all...For those of us who romanced Thane, the way he was handled as a character and a LI in Me3 just feels...insufficient, for lack of a better word!:/

[utaker1988]

Thanks M2S, it's nice to see someone with an open mind regardless of how they felt about Thane's life. Sad to say the only crying over Thane's death was being done by me. The lack of romance (forgotten is more like it) and that emotionless death scene by Shepard left me so rattled I went through the rest of the game in a state of despair and numbness. I bombed big time, low EMS, there was no Earth left to save for me.

[JECW]

LucyMaire wrote...

Yeah and seeing him dead there seemed like such a waste. It was like he was such a great character and they had spent so much time designing him, just to have him die in an incredibly impersonal way (if you romanced him).
I had a dream last night that masseffect answered my tweet and said "Right on!!" so I woke up and was extremely excited. Then went to check twitter...and there was nothing.

It was a waste.
The spent all that time and effort into his character in ME2. Then in ME3 they put absolutely no effort or time into him.

[Moira-chan]

braxy29 wrote...

you speak german, moira-chan? don't worry, it is a very good story but i don't think it will be too difficult if your english is good enough for you to communicate here.

yes ^^ my mother tongue is german, but we have to learn english for quite a long time at school. i've read until chapter 6 and i found six really amazing, go on, shep kiss him xD

well well, it was really a pitty about his amazing character...hes romance got a big potential in whole game, even if i want him to be cured, even if he had to die it could be more emotional sided shepard...
she really cried, when kaidan ask her about thane, but was so calm when thane died?
when kaidan wakes up and shep says: oooh kaidan im sooo sorry never want to hurt you...
i just thought //my lovely karin, i really loved you until NOW! you have kissed thane passionatly 2 minutes ago. you have been toghether with him, you are just two rooms away from him, what the hell are you doing?"
why did not we get the option so say: i loved you kaidan, i really did, but you hurt me so much on horizon, i could not take if. i love thane, got and deal with it, alright? he was a better boyfriend and he always bee.

[Niemalna]

I don't understand why Thane went from "accepting" his death, even basically throwing himself at it, to finally being afraid of dying, to going right back to "I've lived a good life and it's over." That kind of reasoning normally works well, but not when he's already gone through that stage. He has so much to live for, Kolyat at the very least, Shepard if romanced. This is his second life; I can't see him giving it up so easily.
And I agree with you, Moira-chan. My Shepard was well beyond and past Kaidan, and that dialogue was an obvious sort of, "Look, just take Kaidan and ignore the whole Thane thing that happened down the hallway. " No thank you.
I don't understand why they gave up on him. That's what they did exactly. Their shiny new character thrown away. And not just Thane, but the entire Drell race. Never really discussed or expanded on. You learn more and more about Turians and Krogans and Protheans, but all the information you ever really get on Drell came in ME2.
I guess it's back to writing fanfiction for me. haha

[Niemalna]

And "The lover never leaves." That's drives me nuts. I guess some people connect it with Irikah, but I think for romanced Shepards that it's kind of a stab. Beautiful prayer, but it seems kind of cold because that's how it should have been. Not this, "Let me visit you one time and get some action."
Even when he asks to do something "less strenuous" I got so excited. I was like, "Yaaay talk time talk time talk time." Go back to the conversation wheel, but nope, same old lame dialogue. 
They didn't treat him like a romance. He was some booty call. I'm pretty sure, after how everything went down in ME2, with him crying and them spending so much time together, that it was pretty evident that there was love. He didn't move on from Irikah and have all that stuff with Kolyat because he found some nice buddy. They had a relationship, and I feel like Shepard and the whole rest of the crew didn't seem to realize that, somehow. As upset as she was over the boy, with the way that went and connected with Earth and her people, she should have been just as traumatized and reactive with Thane's (or any LI's) death. Because, especially if the LI isn't human, that's not just Earth. Not just her people. It's everyone, even those closest to her. No way she could just get over it without some kind of reaching out. Breaking stuff, crying on Garrus's shoulder, anything. And then, if you got a living ending, she should be packing up and going straight to the desert like she promised to take him.
I bought some fish from Kahje's oceans. It's the best I could do for the room since we can't even have a blasted picture...

[braxy29]

Niemalna wrote...
And "The lover never leaves." That's drives me nuts. I guess some people connect it with Irikah, but I think for romanced Shepards that it's kind of a stab. Beautiful prayer, but it seems kind of cold because that's how it should have been. Not this, "Let me visit you one time and get some action."

you make a ton of great points, and i just wanted to add my thoughts on this part in particular.  that is actually one part that really gets me in a good way, insofar as he seems to be saying, "in a better world, or on the other side i would never have to leave you like this."  maybe even, "in the future, when you rejoin me, we won't have to be apart again."  i think that is incredibly romantic; he realizes that his dying will hurt her.

i try not to think too much about irikah.  :/  in the fic i was working on, thane has a lot of guilt and trauma wrapped up around irikah, but i hate trying to confront the logical problem of just who he plans to be with in the afterlife.  i guess i will have to side with the polyamourists and hope there is enough thane love to go around at that point.

oh, but back to the "never leaving," yeah, it's a stab from bioware, because they wouldn't give us more than a couple kisses and a (admittedly beautiful) prayer.

one more thing - i always see thane as holding shep in incredibly high regard.  i don't think "siha" is simply the drell equivalent of "honeybuns" or "sweetums" or something.  i think he really does see her as a facet of arashu. the part of the prayer i don't like is his mention of her "wickedness and contention," because i don't think thane would really view her that way.  again, maybe that works for a friend-shep, but not a lover-shep.

well, he does mention her "pure heart."

any other thoughts on the prayer?

[Aeyl]

braxy29 wrote...

Niemalna wrote...
And "The lover never leaves." That's drives me nuts. I guess some people connect it with Irikah, but I think for romanced Shepards that it's kind of a stab. Beautiful prayer, but it seems kind of cold because that's how it should have been. Not this, "Let me visit you one time and get some action."

you make a ton of great points, and i just wanted to add my thoughts on this part in particular.  that is actually one part that really gets me in a good way, insofar as he seems to be saying, "in a better world, or on the other side i would never have to leave you like this."  maybe even, "in the future, when you rejoin me, we won't have to be apart again."  i think that is incredibly romantic; he realizes that his dying will hurt her.

i try not to think too much about irikah.  :/  in the fic i was working on, thane has a lot of guilt and trauma wrapped up around irikah, but i hate trying to confront the logical problem of just who he plans to be with in the afterlife.  i guess i will have to side with the polyamourists and hope there is enough thane love to go around at that point.

oh, but back to the "never leaving," yeah, it's a stab from bioware, because they wouldn't give us more than a couple kisses and a (admittedly beautiful) prayer.

one more thing - i always see thane as holding shep in incredibly high regard.  i don't think "siha" is simply the drell equivalent of "honeybuns" or "sweetums" or something.  i think he really does see her as a facet of arashu. the part of the prayer i don't like is his mention of her "wickedness and contention," because i don't think thane would really view her that way.  again, maybe that works for a friend-shep, but not a lover-shep.

well, he does mention her "pure heart."

any other thoughts on the prayer?

I wasn't particularly bothered by the prayer. The whole "wickedness and contention" part seemed to fit, as Thane and Shepard have indeed killed many people and, in religions, killing people tends to be a bad act regardless of the reason (hence, Thane praying for himself after each kill)

The part that confuses me is the "lover never leaves," because it made me think about how awkward the afterlife could end up being (Hello, Irikah)

One of our forum members wrote their own version of what should have happened to Thane (in which he came back from the dead) and in it Irikah pretty much gave Thane to Shepard. I have to say that I like that turn of events.

[Visii]

I hated the prayer.

In ME2 he used prayer in a variety of situations.

In ME3, like EVERY OTHER WORD HE SPOKE and every facet of his personality, his spirituality was only shown in relation to his death.

[Visii]

I hated the prayer.

In ME2 he used prayer in a variety of situations.

In ME3, like EVERY OTHER WORD HE SPOKE and every facet of his personality, his spirituality was only shown in relation to his illness, his death.

[braxy29]

Aeyl wrote...
I wasn't particularly bothered by the prayer. The whole "wickedness and contention" part seemed to fit, as Thane and Shepard have indeed killed many people and, in religions, killing people tends to be a bad act regardless of the reason (hence, Thane praying for himself after each kill)

The part that confuses me is the "lover never leaves," because it made me think about how awkward the afterlife could end up being (Hello, Irikah)

One of our forum members wrote their own version of what should have happened to Thane (in which he came back from the dead) and in it Irikah pretty much gave Thane to Shepard. I have to say that I like that turn of events.

i guess i figured he might think her killing is justified, depending on just how thoroughly he believes she is somehow an agent of his goddess.  i suppose he could still see it as wickedness though, in that she is an angel with free will.

ha, i love the idea that irikah would hand him over, lol.  actually, some of the fics i have read point out some of the problems that might have existed in thane and irikah's relationship, like they maybe weren't well suited for each other in some respects, however much they loved each other.

in my own head canon, i think of thane and irikah more as having had great respect for each other, loving each other, but more like great friends, where thane and shep are the real deal.

[blueshepard]

Visii wrote...

I hated the prayer.

In ME2 he used prayer in a variety of situations.

In ME3, like EVERY OTHER WORD HE SPOKE and every facet of his personality, his spirituality was only shown in relation to his illness, his death.

Yeah you are so right Visii Since what else did we get? A talk about how ill he is and how soon he will die. Great thing.... Greatest character broken again for nothing.  Wanna scream loud just to bring him back... I am hoping so much that they just listen with one ear to OUR prayers. I tried to play it a second time, but I lost motivation somehow. I wanna meet him again but there is always this sentence that Shep came for Kaidan. Don't wanna hear it anymore. I think I am going to wait for at least something new they will release. Meanwhile with my very own story of ME3 in my head and the hope that they just do anything to put us out of our misery. Only good thing: it nearly cannot get any worse at all for the Thane input. I still love the game. Hell how much I love it. And how much I love my FemShep. And now I don't want to play it anymore? Come on Bioware That's the most terrible thing which could had happend